Refugee crisis

Thirty Bills Unpaid

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

My sarcasm detector is broken

Mine must be too.

Annafalk

I think it's a very good idea to prioritize women and children, I think it's strange to see men coming alone, and leaving their family behind which I've heard happens.

mickeyrat

The be

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

The belgian party girl? Now believed that was a male next to her or near her.


Oh how I long for first to be accurate reporting.

eddiec

I would really like some people to answer this question for me. It has to deal with motive. Many times in court cases, even when the murder weapon is found, the prosecution needs to find motive or it casts a doubt among the jurors. So what I'm asking here is what is the motive for a Syrian ISIS member to pose as a refugee to get into the United States? Not Europe, just the United States.
Why? Being that-

1- It will be a 2 year vetting process where you are first screened by the UN before the US gets to work and several government security agencies become involved. As a Syrian, the process is even harder than for other refugees. That's 2 years of background checks, document verification, interviews, etc. 2 years.

2- Why become a refugee when you could obtain a fake passport, get into Europe and take a plane to New York and just walk out of the airport if you get by immigration? The process of getting by immigration in JFK with a fake passport is a hundred times easier than the Syrian refugee process. And it will only take a few days.

3-Likewise, you could obtain a fake European passport and apply for a visa waiver which normally takes 24 hours. Again, easier than becoming a refugee. If it gets rejected no harm, you thank them for their time, and you're free to go.

3- Why not get into South America and make your way up through Mexico? In Mexico you pay a Coyotaje who sneaks you over the border and you're free to go about your terrorist business. Again, it will take you a few weeks compared to 2 years and will be a lot easier.

4- If you're young male, aged 16-30, on your own, there is almost no chance of you getting in through the refugee process even if you are just a victim of war so why attempt it as an ISIS member? Why not just pay off some worker on an oil liner to hide you amongst the cargo that comes into Newark. Again, it sounds crazy but it would be so much easier than the Syrian refugee process.

I could go on and on with scenarios but what I'm really looking for here is motive. Why do it when there are so many easier ways and you are not left wondering when they will discover you over the course of 2 years? So again I ask, what is the motive? If your goal is to get into the US as a terrorist why choose the most difficult, possibly impossible method?

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mickeyrat said:

The be

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

The belgian party girl? Now believed that was a male next to her or near her.


Oh how I long for first to be accurate reporting.

I'm pretty sure we are both joking with no degree of seriousness at all.

mickeyrat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

The be

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

The belgian party girl? Now believed that was a male next to her or near her.


Oh how I long for first to be accurate reporting.

I'm pretty sure we are both joking with no degree of seriousness at all.

Ok but that doesnt mean that very thought isnt an additional excuse for some

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mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

The be

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

The belgian party girl? Now believed that was a male next to her or near her.


Oh how I long for first to be accurate reporting.

I'm pretty sure we are both joking with no degree of seriousness at all.

Ok but that doesnt mean that very thought isnt an additional excuse for some

Oh for the most diligent bigot... it likely is for sure.

mickeyrat

video imbedded in the article in this link.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/23/9783804/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-syrian-refugees

PJfanwillneverleave1

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eddiec

mickeyrat said:

video imbedded in the article in this link.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/23/9783804/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-syrian-refugees

People will refuse to believe it.

mickeyrat

eddiec said:

mickeyrat said:

video imbedded in the article in this link.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/23/9783804/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-syrian-refugees

People will refuse to believe it.

Willful ignorance cannot be countered.

dignin

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

Annafalk

It's great that you have such good security in your country.

callen

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

PJ_Soul

callen said:

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

Yeah... how often is he even on? My PVR is only picking up one a week. Is that right?? Or is there something wrong with the PVR schedule?

dignin

callen said:

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

The latest. Episode 35. Mickeyrat has a link to the clip above.

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

Yeah... how often is he even on? My PVR is only picking up one a week. Is that right?? Or is there something wrong with the PVR schedule?

Every Sunday night. Unless holidays.

PJ_Soul

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

Yeah... how often is he even on? My PVR is only picking up one a week. Is that right?? Or is there something wrong with the PVR schedule?

Every Sunday night. Unless holidays.

Well in that case, yeah, he should have been chosen for the daily show, simply because I would like to see him more often.... though I like Oliver's formula way better. He goes way deeper into individual issues than the Daily Show ever did, and I wouldn't want to see that change. It's the reason I like John Oliver's show so much.

mickeyrat

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

dignin said:

John Oliver nails it again. Glad he's filled the Jon Stewart void.

What episode? And yes he's filling in well. Wish he got the job though.

Yeah... how often is he even on? My PVR is only picking up one a week. Is that right?? Or is there something wrong with the PVR schedule?

Every Sunday night. Unless holidays.

Done til next year.

mickeyrat

Alleviates the problem somewhat , I wonder if the overflow Europe is or has experienced will mean that many will be sent back to Turkey instead?


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/eu-seeks-deal-turkey-curb-refugee-crisis-151129152134803.html

The European Union has struck a deal with Turkey in Brussels that aims to limit the flow of refugees into the continent.

Leaders from 28 EU members states met with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmed Davutoglu on Sunday, finalising an agreement that offered Ankara $3.2bn, along with closer ties with the EU, in return for handling the refugees from war-torn countries on its territory.

"Our agreement sets out the clear plans for the timely reestablishment of all our shared frontier," said Donald Tusk, the European Council president, after the meeting.

"We will also step up our assistance to Syrian refugees in Turkey through a new refugee facility of 3bn euros."

Tusk also said Turkey's accession process to the EU bloc would be "re-energised".

"But let me stress that we are not rewritting our enlargement policy. The negotiating framework and conclusions remain to apply, including its merit-based nature and the respect for the European values and also on human rights," he said.

"This is a historic day," Davutoglu said after the talks, thanking the leaders for the "fruitful meeting".

He added: "This 3bn euros are not given to Turkey. It's given to Syrian refugees."

Turkey is the major transit point for refugees trying to enter Europe, which are expected to reach 1.5m people this year alone.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said ahead of the meeting that the EU deal with Turkey would help put the flow of refugees in a legal framework, instead of the current uncontrollable influx.

"Turkey is hosting well over two million refugees and has received little international support so Turkey has a right to expect the European Union and its member states to help with mastering this task," said Merkel.

"This means that refugees will have better living conditions such as the right to work and the European Union's financial support for schooling."

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Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel had expressed caution ahead of the meeting.

"I have no intention of agreeing to a blank cheque for Turkey," Michel said.

"Belgium believes Turkey must take its responsibility towards a strategic partnership which is balanced, like border control for example, not just with Europe but also with Syria for example.

"I am expecting clear assurances from Turkey."

The EU will open in December the next chapter of negotiations with Turkey in its accession talks to the EU, which have been dragging on since 2005, and prepare further chapters for discussion in the first three months of next year.

Ahead of the meeting, Federica Mogherini, the EU foreign policy chief, said Turkey had to show progress "in basic fundamentals like human rights, media freedom" and "restart the peace process with the Kurdish".

"From today onwards, we will also, I will personally, work on a high-level dialogue with Turkey comprising all the different and sometimes difficult issues we have on the table with them - all of them, none exclusions," she said.

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