Refugee crisis

callen

Hahahahahahaha. Touché' eh. Can't stop laughing.

Drowned Out

mickeyrat said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

What about this:
“Is there just one in a million Syrians willing to fight for Syria? Is that the deal? Is it?” Matthews asked. “Would just one in a million Americans be willing to fight for our country?”

Matthews continued his pondering over the two numbers by implying that the Islamic State could be taking Syria “from people who would rather leave for the West.”

“Some said here last night that we can’t ask Syrians to fight for their country because they have families,” Matthews said. “Well, tell that to the American families, those we care most about, who have a member of their family on their fourth-deployment right now.”

“Is it too much to ask that the Syrians lead the fight to retake Syria?” Matthew continued. “It is their country. Unless they’re willing to abandon it. And what do we think of people who do that? And besides, even if we, the United States and other European countries overthrew ISIS, we’d still have to turn Syria over to somebody. If we had Syrians playing the rightful part in the liberation of their country, they would be the ones taking it over.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/18/chris-matthews-briefly-breaks-with-left-highlights-two-numbers-on-syrian-refugee-crisis-that-dont-make-sense/

Seems to me thats how it began with little to no outside help. Only outside groups exploiting an opportunity.

Syrians remain there looking to fight for their betterment.

It also began by allowing the US to take the reigns and arm/train the Iraqi army (then disband them), who fled Mosul and other areas and left the arms to ISIS. Also, by training, arming, and funding the FSA, who defected to join Al Nusra and ISIS, along with the arms and training. So Matthews is, typical for the mainstream, completely whitewashing the folly of the foreign intervention. He doesn't seem to be mentioning that ISIS is working toward the same goal as western allies in Syria, and against western goals in Iraq. When the stated goal of the West and our gulf allies is sectarian balkanization of Syria and regime change (ousting assad), and the whole mess was caused by intervention.....who in Syria is going to sign up? He asks “Is there just one in a million Syrians willing to fight for Syria?".....no, asshole...it's only one in a million Syrians willing to fight for the US. As it should be.

PP193448

PJfanwillneverleave1

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Annafalk

We haven't much capacity left here now, the refugees have to find a place to stay by themselves, some are sleeping outdoors. It arrives 10 000 refugees per week.

mickeyrat

Annafalk said:

We haven't much capacity left here now, the refugees have to find a place to stay by themselves, some are sleeping outdoors. It arrives 10 000 refugees per week.

And winter is on its way........

Annafalk

mickeyrat said:

Annafalk said:

We haven't much capacity left here now, the refugees have to find a place to stay by themselves, some are sleeping outdoors. It arrives 10 000 refugees per week.

And winter is on its way........

I am worried about this situation.

PP193448

I really don't understand why so many countries only want to address the effect of the Syrian problem which is refugees fleeing in enormous masses, but don't want to address the cause. You don't want to get involved with conflict, look the other way, let other countries take stand, and then constantly critique the whole process. But I will argue my own point that you can't go in and wipe out a countries government, half ass rebuild/reform it, then back out too fast. The craziness is that no one wants to admit to mistakes. Liberals blame conservatives and vice versa. Stop the fucking blame game. Fix the fucking problems, learn from mistakes, and try to avoid them in the future. Some problems are not politically correct. Too many extreme agendas on any side. Time for all the rational people to come forward and make a stand for what's morally good, not just political.

josevolution

PP193448 said:

I really don't understand why so many countries only want to address the effect of the Syrian problem which is refugees fleeing in enormous masses, but don't want to address the cause. You don't want to get involved with conflict, look the other way, let other countries take stand, and then constantly critique the whole process. But I will argue my own point that you can't go in and wipe out a countries government, half ass rebuild/reform it, then back out too fast. The craziness is that no one wants to admit to mistakes. Liberals blame conservatives and vice versa. Stop the fucking blame game. Fix the fucking problems, learn from mistakes, and try to avoid them in the future. Some problems are not politically correct. Too many extreme agendas on any side. Time for all the rational people to come forward and make a stand for what's morally good, not just political.

When will we as a country get it thru our dense minds that we can't impose the western democratic way of life upon them they want all outside influence to go away ...

PP193448

josevolution said:

PP193448 said:

I really don't understand why so many countries only want to address the effect of the Syrian problem which is refugees fleeing in enormous masses, but don't want to address the cause. You don't want to get involved with conflict, look the other way, let other countries take stand, and then constantly critique the whole process. But I will argue my own point that you can't go in and wipe out a countries government, half ass rebuild/reform it, then back out too fast. The craziness is that no one wants to admit to mistakes. Liberals blame conservatives and vice versa. Stop the fucking blame game. Fix the fucking problems, learn from mistakes, and try to avoid them in the future. Some problems are not politically correct. Too many extreme agendas on any side. Time for all the rational people to come forward and make a stand for what's morally good, not just political.

When will we as a country get it thru our dense minds that we can't impose the western democratic way of life upon them they want all outside influence to go away ...

Agreed

eddiec

PP193448 said:

josevolution said:

PP193448 said:

I really don't understand why so many countries only want to address the effect of the Syrian problem which is refugees fleeing in enormous masses, but don't want to address the cause. You don't want to get involved with conflict, look the other way, let other countries take stand, and then constantly critique the whole process. But I will argue my own point that you can't go in and wipe out a countries government, half ass rebuild/reform it, then back out too fast. The craziness is that no one wants to admit to mistakes. Liberals blame conservatives and vice versa. Stop the fucking blame game. Fix the fucking problems, learn from mistakes, and try to avoid them in the future. Some problems are not politically correct. Too many extreme agendas on any side. Time for all the rational people to come forward and make a stand for what's morally good, not just political.

When will we as a country get it thru our dense minds that we can't impose the western democratic way of life upon them they want all outside influence to go away ...

Agreed

All outside influence? Are you referring to politics alone? Because I've personally seen women in burqas walking in groups with all of them carrying expensive designer handbags.

PP193448

eddiec said:

PP193448 said:

josevolution said:

PP193448 said:

I really don't understand why so many countries only want to address the effect of the Syrian problem which is refugees fleeing in enormous masses, but don't want to address the cause. You don't want to get involved with conflict, look the other way, let other countries take stand, and then constantly critique the whole process. But I will argue my own point that you can't go in and wipe out a countries government, half ass rebuild/reform it, then back out too fast. The craziness is that no one wants to admit to mistakes. Liberals blame conservatives and vice versa. Stop the fucking blame game. Fix the fucking problems, learn from mistakes, and try to avoid them in the future. Some problems are not politically correct. Too many extreme agendas on any side. Time for all the rational people to come forward and make a stand for what's morally good, not just political.

When will we as a country get it thru our dense minds that we can't impose the western democratic way of life upon them they want all outside influence to go away ...

Agreed

All outside influence? Are you referring to politics alone? Because I've personally seen women in burqas walking in groups with all of them carrying expensive designer handbags.

I thought that's what he was referring to, politics. Forcing democracy on people that don't want it. But the problem is what to do about those people who are succumbed to extremists regime that commit aggression to their own people and condone terrorism.

dignin

Hey look, we have a thread about the refugee crisis. Imagine that.


Canada's plan

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Hey look, we have a thread about the refugee crisis. Imagine that.


Canada's plan

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185

I'm satisfied.

Let's up the numbers then.

PJfanwillneverleave1

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dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Hey look, we have a thread about the refugee crisis. Imagine that.


Canada's plan

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185

I'm satisfied.

Let's up the numbers then.

It is definitely an interesting solution to a political hot potato.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Hey look, we have a thread about the refugee crisis. Imagine that.


Canada's plan

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families
Unaccompanied men not included because of ongoing security concerns

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185

I'm satisfied.

Let's up the numbers then.

It is definitely an interesting solution to a political hot potato.

It makes sense. It's what I was hoping for- I heard some crazy stats (unconfirmed of course) that had me concerned.

This balances the need to help with the need to exercise a degree of caution.

ldent42

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

ldent42

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Hasn't there been an increase in female suicide bombers recently though?

Holy Christ I never thought of this.

Fak.

My sarcasm detector is broken