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Meanwhile, overnight in Tejas. There’s just way too many doors and not enough thoughts and prayers.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/us/texas-homicides-shootings-austin-bexar-county/index.html
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Aint that grand? Steal a car, no bother. Rob a store of merchandise, no bother.tbergs said:
It's all semantics. Whether a handgun is holstered or a rifle is slung over a shoulder, it's a matter of a few seconds difference before you can shoot them. Doesn't really matter in public unless you engage with LE, then you better get that gun out of ready position. Once you allow open carry you've already determined there is no concern for Public Safety or the perception of it. It's all fucked up and the police know no prosecutor is ever going to bring charges for the difference unless they aim it an someone and then it'd be a stretch for them to get a conviction for terroristic threats or reckless behavior. On top of that, people like that rarely have a criminal record so the criminal justice system doesn't have time to run it through properly. Hell, the police here don't even investigate stolen vehicles anymore because they don't have the staff or resources. Not a chance they'd ever waste time on some clown who thinks he's Rambo.mace1229 said:
I don't disagree. But even though you can't holster a rifle, you don't need to carry it in a way that is ready to shoot. Don,t need to hold it up against your shoulder with your finger on or near the trigger. If it takes pointing it at someone to be considered brandishing, then that law should be changed.Gern Blansten said:There might be a difference in the definition but unless you are pointing the gun at someone or waiving it violently you aren't going to get charged with anything.
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Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.0 -
mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?
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Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?
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tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
According to that link, whites outnumber the next leading group by a margin > 3 - 1.mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
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SO basically, don't include minorities in the data and its all whites?mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?0 -
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
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The link you provided confirms white people are at fault more often than not.mace1229 said:
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
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Whites make up about 75% of the country, but less than 75% of mass shootings.Merkin Baller said:
The link you provided confirms white people are at fault more often than not.mace1229 said:
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
That's like saying Bakersfield has less crime because they have fewer murders than LA, but when you look at it per capita, Bakersfield is almost double.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
You complained that the comment was implying that white people are at fault more often.mace1229 said:
Whites make up about 75% of the country, but less than 75% of mass shootings.Merkin Baller said:
The link you provided confirms white people are at fault more often than not.mace1229 said:
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
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Why is it always the white people with blond hair and blue eyes committing all the crime in Finland? Dang those blue eyed people.0
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Not any more than the percentage they make up the population. If you're going to blame a race for something, I would assume you factor in population. Of course LA has more homicides than Bakersfield. But compare the population of the 2 and Bakersfield is worse.Merkin Baller said:
You complained that the comment was implying that white people are at fault more often.mace1229 said:
Whites make up about 75% of the country, but less than 75% of mass shootings.Merkin Baller said:
The link you provided confirms white people are at fault more often than not.mace1229 said:
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
They are.
With that logic, for you to admit there is say an Asian crime problem, Asian crime would have to rise to 51% of the overall crime? That makes no sense.
Blaming white people for mass shootings doesn't make sense either when they make up more than 70% of the population, but less than 60% of the shootings. So why bring race into it?Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
You’re looking at the broader label of mass shootings and concluding all the motives are the same. Gang violence is not in the same boat as violence perpetuated by someone who decides they’re going to kill random people in public in response to a trigger event. The latter category is disproportionately done by whites.mace1229 said:
Not any more than the percentage they make up the population. If you're going to blame a race for something, I would assume you factor in population. Of course LA has more homicides than Bakersfield. But compare the population of the 2 and Bakersfield is worse.Merkin Baller said:
You complained that the comment was implying that white people are at fault more often.mace1229 said:
Whites make up about 75% of the country, but less than 75% of mass shootings.Merkin Baller said:
The link you provided confirms white people are at fault more often than not.mace1229 said:
None of that seems to have anything to do with my comment though.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?a variety of problems to address.First we'll go with the illegal gun flow that begin as legal purchases. big problem, no? Seems there are simple things to address this, BUT NRA beholden politicians that pander to a subset of Americans looking at only half of the amendment that grants that right.Second lets address the disaffected white guy with access to legal guns. This LV shooting in particular, a PROFESSOR got butthurt he didnt get a job there. Now the PD searched his apt. in Henderson. Feels like a sense of entitlement here. So it begs a couple questions, why in the fuck do you move across the country without employment in your chosen field? He left a university in NC. IDK enough of this part to i.e. why he left NC, under what circumstances, when, how long in LV, etc to really comment but on the surface wtf. Cops arent saying type of weapon, but I wonder when purchased etc.doing nothing isn't tenable imo.UNLESS you specifically and politicians and others of like mind EXPLICITLY STATE the needless death is acceptable to maintain the Government granted Right.
I was responding specifically to calling out whites. Why bring race into it if that wasn't the point? So, sounds like the comment was implying white people are at fault more often.
I provided data to support the claim that race is not a factor in mass shootings, it's an all races problem. You said it is, as long as we ignore the gang data. You can't just ignore entire populations to fit your narrative. None of what you just posted has anything to do with that.
They are.
With that logic, for you to admit there is say an Asian crime problem, Asian crime would have to rise to 51% of the overall crime? That makes no sense.
Blaming white people for mass shootings doesn't make sense either when they make up more than 70% of the population, but less than 60% of the shootings. So why bring race into it?0 -
No apology necessary....it's more often than not a white man for suremace1229 said:
Yes, its been said before that mass shootings is a white person's problem.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
Moving the goal posts to fit a narrative then is what I'd call that.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I always see these comments after a shooting. But the data doesn't back it up Mass shootings are not a "white" problem, but it is typically portrayed as one.Gern Blansten said:
Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic.Gern Blansten said:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Using the FBI definition of a mass shooting of 3 fatalities or more, only 58% are from white shooters.
The number doesn't change by a lot using a different definition.
parse out the gang affiliated shooting from that. what do those numbers look like then?to start, mace inferred that Gern was saying all mass shootings are white guys. he didnt say that.2. breaking down the types of mass shootings are moving the goal posts? Given most of the white guy mass shootings used legal weapons or by those with access to same and most gang mass shootings use illegal guns , I think that becomes an important distinction between the two.so please explain how you see it as moving the goal posts.
I interpreted Gern's comment of "Another white guy who had been "wronged" who takes it out on society. Pathetic." as implying the same thing. If not, then I apologize to Gern for misunderstanding his comment.
And yes, excluding an entire population so that it fits a narrative is exactly that, moving the goal posts. You either agree or not that it's mostly a white problem. If you look at the data, you'd say it's not. If you listen to comments of "another white guy..." and ignore the data, or cherry pick it, then you'd probably say it is.
Why exclude anyone? Why not exclude angry white guys then, and claim they are zero percent of the problem?
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