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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,050
    mickeyrat said:
    I think that gun is missing some parts, primarily the handle. Sights too.
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  • dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I think that gun is missing some parts, primarily the handle. Sights too.
    I don't know how or why he would use it without a grip?  Thats a Diamondback.  It doesn't have a sight, thats what the rail is for.
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,050
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I think that gun is missing some parts, primarily the handle. Sights too.
    I don't know how or why he would use it without a grip?  Thats a Diamondback.  It doesn't have a sight, thats what the rail is for.
    I'm not familiar with Diamondbacks but isn't the rail there for mounting either iron sights or an optic? If so, it seems like he skipped that step. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,587
    mickeyrat said:
    Never going to happen. The 2nd amendment argument makes gun ownership a right, not a privilege so the counter will always be that you can't restrict that right, at least not in that way. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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  • tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Never going to happen. The 2nd amendment argument makes gun ownership a right, not a privilege so the counter will always be that you can't restrict that right, at least not in that way. 
    Now that you mention  this, I wonder if the supreme court looks at the National Firearms Act and deem that unconstitutional?
  • Tell me again how now is not the time to talk about it. Tell me again how it’s not the guns but the people with mental illness or anger in their hearts. Tell me again how and why people need AR15s to defend themselves and how the 2A and god guarantee that.

    Gift article but I warn you, it’s graphic with eye witness descriptions of what the carnage looks like, pictures and videos of gun massacres occurring and the subsequent results.



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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,715
    Tell me again how now is not the time to talk about it. Tell me again how it’s not the guns but the people with mental illness or anger in their hearts. Tell me again how and why people need AR15s to defend themselves and how the 2A and god guarantee that.

    Gift article but I warn you, it’s graphic with eye witness descriptions of what the carnage looks like, pictures and videos of gun massacres occurring and the subsequent results.



    I haven’t read all the comments from the readers but there’s nothing to add.  I don’t know how anyone could see/read this and not make changes.  Extremely powerful yet just as disturbing.  
  • And, how warped is this? So, tell me again how more guns is the solution.

    This school tried to keep kids safe. Then graduation ended in gunfire.

    The Washington Post spent a year inside one Richmond high school trying a host of strategies to protect children from gun violence. Are they working?

    RICHMOND — On a cold day last January, 17-year-old Tristan Bailey walked into history class to find a woman he didn’t know sitting in his friend’s usual seat.

    The woman, a Richmond Public Schools instructional specialist named Tess Short, had dressed like a teen: in jeans, a hoodie and pink Converse. She was there, the teacher explained, because Bailey’s childhood friend Jaden Carter had been shot to death the day before behind the school baseball fields.

    “Jaden,” Bailey remembers his teacher saying, “he passed away.”

    Bailey went blank, unable to believe it — and later, in a phone call to his mother, unable to stop sobbing. But for Short, who planned to sit in Jaden’s seat through every class he would have taken, it was just another day at work.

    It’s her job to do this: After a student dies, she follows in their footsteps, lacing up sneakers, pursuing their class schedule, comforting their friends and directing people to mental health services as needed. That day, she had left her official Richmond badge at home and dressed as a student — to put high-schoolers at ease.

    The Richmond district created Short’s role, which looks nothing like what schools have traditionally done, as part of a step-by-step, intricate response officials herehave developed to handle an increasingly unmanageable load of pain, violence and trauma.

    Virginia’s capital is facing an epidemic of youth gun violence. In the past three years, almost 30 Richmond students died in gunfire, according to the school system. The city’s rate of young people killed by guns spiked to three times the national average in 2017. In 2022 alone, there were 22 children under 18 injured by gunfire and five shot to death, according to Richmond police.

    The superintendent, Jason Kamras, said so many students have died that he now maps the city by the locations of vigils he has attended honoring dead children. He said he feels relief when he learns of a shooting that did not result in a student’s death.

    “It’s almost like ... we find some joy in the fact that at least it wasn’t that,” he said. “I mean, what an insane mind frame to have.”

    It’s not just Richmond — it’s a national problem. Since 2020, guns have become the leading cause of death among children and teens, with Black youths dying in firearm homicides at the highest rates. The pandemic made things worse, fueling a spike in violence: There were more school shootings in 2022 than in any year since 1999, according to a Washington Post database. Then there are the threats posted on Instagram, student beefs that spill into school hallways and random neighborhood shootings that leave children cowering on the floors of their bedrooms, too scared to attend class the next day. Taken together, guns are reshaping every aspect of American education.

    Educators often feel they are charged with keeping students alive, not just instructing them.

    To prevent the trauma, and respond to it when they can’t, schools are racing to innovate. The Post spent a year inside Richmond’s Huguenot High School to document how one campus is approaching this intractable problem. It was a difficult and tragic stretch for Huguenot, which serves roughly 1,500 students: In 2022-2023, the school saw two students shot to death, another wounded by gunfire and a third accused of shooting his sister, according to more than a dozen people associated with the district. The Post followed administrators, teachers, students and parents from the moment of Jaden’s death in January to Huguenot’s graduation in June, when another student died in a spray of bullets as he emerged from the ceremony.

    In the hours after Jaden was shot, staffers with mental health training turned an empty conference into a “war room,” from which they monitored students’ and teachers’ well-being. The principal decided how to inform the school at large, weighing the need for an all-school announcement against the fact students were taking a state test that day. And the Huguenot school resource officer paced the hallways on alert, listening for what the high-schoolers were saying — especially Jaden’s friends.

    Meanwhile, Short kept switching from one empty seat to another. When one of Jaden’s teachers broke down as he tried to tell students what happened, she took over the class. She asked students how they were feeling, receiving little in response from teens who seemed numb, she said.

    Through it all, Short said, she was never overcome.

    “It comes with experience,” she said. “Because I’ve been doing it so long.”

    Hunting for ‘the secret sauce’


    Richmond’s strategy for student safety mixes traditional elements, such as school police officers, with newer ideas — like Short’s job shadowing dead students.

    Starting in 2018, the district reorganized its staffing and systems to become “trauma-informed,” an approach that emphasizes responding to students with empathy. This meant training educators how to handle children’s emotional breakdowns, hiring more mental health and social workers and establishing districtwide and school-based “crisis response” teams. These include psychologists and behavioral specialists. The day after Jaden died, leaders of the districtwide team traveled to Huguenot’s campus and set up camp in an empty conference room, waiting to see if anyone needed help.

    Under the new approach, Richmond converted spaces once used for student suspensions into “restorative rooms,” where children could go to calm down if they were disrupting class. It turned school security staffers into “care and safety associates,” dressing them in casual polos and tasking them with bonding with students. And the district launched daily “community circles” in which students share issues they are facing inside and outside the classroom.

    In one such circle last year, a group at Martin Luther King, Jr. Middle School discussed how guns shape their lives.

    “In my neighborhood, there’s so much gunshots that I’m scared to go outside,” one said.

    “I was playing my [video] game in my room [when] they started shooting,” another said, adding that a bullet came through his window. “We all turned the lights off.”

    A conversation cannot stop a bullet. But, by paying more attention to students’ mental health, the district believes it can prevent some crises from arising. Much of this thinking emerged from a 1998 medical studythat showed how traumatic childhood experiences — including a home life filled with abuse or violence — can derail entire lives. Starting in the 2000s, a variety of studies and books emerged suggesting models for how schools can account for students’ trauma, from making classrooms feel safer to suggesting teachers ask “What happened to you?” rather than “What’s wrong with you?”


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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/15/gun-violence-richmond-school-safety/


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,861
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Tell me again how there are too many doors.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,861
    yay?

     

    Ohio Second Amendment ‘sanctuary’ measure cleared for the House floor

    Speaker Jason Stephens is aiming for passage before the end of the year

    By: Nick Evans - November 20, 2023 5:00 am

    Potential buyers try out guns which are displayed on an exhibitor’s table during the Nation’s Gun Show. (Photo by Alex Wong, Getty Images)

    An Ohio House committee has signed off on the Second Amendment Preservation Act, clearing the way for its consideration on the floor.

    The measure removes references in state firearms law to federal statutes and places strict limits on cooperation with federal officials. The stated purpose being to keep local agencies from enforcing federal laws or regulations. But the ambitions of the bill’s supporters stretch much further than that, and opponents contend it could be a disaster for local law enforcement.

    House Speaker Jason Stephens has a handful of sessions planned before the end of the year, and he wants to bring it to the floor by then.

    Background

    The day before the bill got its first hearing, a federal judge struck down the Missouri law that served as its model. Missouri has appealed the ruling, and last month the circuit court declined to stay the lower court decision while the case plays out.

    In the Ohio bill’s initial version, drafters enumerated a set of Second Amendment freedoms far broader than those that are currently recognized. The bill then stated any state officer or agency found enforcing laws contrary to those freedoms would be subject to a $50,000 civil penalty per offense.

    And it went even further, threatening penalties for state and local agencies that hired former federal officials.

    The opposition has been loud and wide-ranging. In addition to gun control advocates, law enforcement agencies and prosecutors argue the bill would foreclose valuable tools. Task forces that combine federal and local resources are vital for drug and trafficking enforcement. The ballistics database departments use to track weapons used in multiple crimes is a federal resource. Both would be off limits. The hiring prohibition, while aimed at federal law enforcement, was drafted so broadly that hiring any former federal employee would be risky.


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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,215
    It’s holiday season I’m sure we’re in for a couple more of these before the holidays are over 
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  • mickeyrat said:
    wonder if the shopper in question brought the gun to wal mart, or did they just purchase it there?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • “Responsible” gun lobby.

    Louisville bank shooter killed 5 people to highlight gun laws, police report shows

    A man who killed five people and injured eight at a Louisville bank in April was motivated by outrage over gun laws he considered lax, and a hope that his rampage would highlight the ease with which he acquired an AR-15 and spur politicians into action on the issue, according to the shooter’s personal writings revealed in a police report Thursday.

    “I have decided to make an impact. These people did not deserve to die, but because I was depressed and able to buy [guns], they are gone. Perhaps this is the impact for change — upper class white people dying. I certainly would not have been able to do this were it more difficult to get a gun,” Connor Sturgeon wrote six days before the April 10 shooting at the Old National Bank where he worked.

    “I know our politicians are solely focused on lining their own pockets, but maybe this will knock some sense into them. If not, good luck,” he wrote.

    The police report, made public Tuesday, shares chilling details on the shooter’s thoughts and motives leading to the massacre. The 25-year-old described suffering from persistent depression, feeling inadequate and bearing the weight of nationwide issues afflicted him, including inflation, climate disaster and a lack of mental health care. He criticized politicians, gun-interest groups and party politics for deadly gun violence, and particularly, for gun laws that made getting a rifle “so easy.” These issues, he wrote, propelled his homicidal plans.

    Gun violence maintains a grip on the nation. Three dozen mass shootings — The Post defines these as events in which four or more people died, not including the perpetrator — have occurred this year, and larger debates rage over whether the AR-15 and similar weapons are too easy to get.

    In Kentucky, Sturgeon faced no barriers to entry as a gun owner. He had no prior criminal record, which means he would have passed the federally required background check, The Washington Post reported. The state does not have a “red flag” law, a measure to prevent people who are reported to be potentially dangerous from buying and possessing guns.

    If such a law existed in Kentucky, it still may not have prevented Sturgeon from buying the weapon. His parents never sought police intervention because they said they had no idea he had even considered buying a gun.

    On April 4, Sturgeon purchased an AR-15 rifle. The rifle cost $499.99, according to a receipt in the police report. That day, he wrote about his goals to “impact” gun access, lambasted politicians “with no interest in making things better” and urged officials to “stop letting anyone buy guns or this will keep happening,” the report showed.

    A day before the shooting, Sturgeon wrote that he is “definitely very sick” and continued marveling at his ability to acquire a rifle.

    “OH MY GOD THIS IS SO EASY. Seriously, I knew it would be doable but this is ridiculous. Walked in and bought a gun, 4 mags, and 120 rounds for $700. Got some glasses and earplugs,” he wrote on April 9. “It is legitimately unfathomable how easy this all was. … There is nothing anyone could have done.”

    Now, he said, his “sickness wins.”

    “But let us not forget the most important player here. The one who made all this possible. Lets give it up for the NRA!!” he wrote on April 9. “I couldn’t have done this without all of your lobbying dollars! You really brought this whole thing together. This is the world you are building. One without any regard for the value of human life.”

    Sturgeon began his rampage at his workplace the next day. He posted on his Instagram that morning: “They won’t listen to words or protests. Let’s see if they hear this,” and live-streamed the attack, the report said. Police shot and killed him at the scene.

    Interviews with survivors, victims’ families and Sturgeon’s parents revealed frustration, sorrow and anger over how easy it was for someone with apparent mental health problems to obtain a semiautomatic rifle built for mass violence, The Post reported. 

    Some close to Sturgeon knew he was having problems. But no one knew that he had purchased a gun, according to his parents, and his psychiatrist had indicated that Sturgeon was doing better.

    Surviving victims and family members said they are finalizing a lawsuit against Radical Firearms, the Texas company that produced the rifle Sturgeon used. The victims’ attorneys stated Thursday that the release of the police report “is an important step for those personally impacted by the tragedy as well as for the community.”

    “Our legal team will promptly review this report in detail as we move forward preparing for civil litigation in this matter,” said a statement from Thomas Law Offices and Romanucci and Blandin. “Most importantly, our hearts are with our clients this week as they process this painful report, while many of them have an empty seat at their Thanksgiving table or they reflect on the deep trauma they have experienced this year.”

    There’s an average of 24 mass shootings a year in the United States. Dozens of people have died in shootings this year in Monterey Park, Calif.; Half Moon Bay, Calif.; MemphisAllen, Tex; Cleveland, Tex.; and more. Last month, a gunman killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine, the deadliest mass shooting of 2023. That man had similarly exhibited mental health struggles but was able to purchase a gun.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/21/louisville-shooter-connor-sturgeon-report/

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,215
    These days students can go through multiple shootings while getting an education! You could be shot in Elementary & middle school and high schools of off course college campuses! 
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  • These days students can go through multiple shootings while getting an education! You could be shot in Elementary & middle school and high schools of off course college campuses! 
    And upon graduation from college, while out shopping for food, clothes or anything, at the movies, in a bar, at a parade, live music event or just in your house or backyard minding your own business. ‘MuriKKKa, the future’s bright.
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    These days students can go through multiple shootings while getting an education! You could be shot in Elementary & middle school and high schools of off course college campuses! 
    And upon graduation from college, while out shopping for food, clothes or anything, at the movies, in a bar, at a parade, live music event or just in your house or backyard minding your own business. ‘MuriKKKa, the future’s bright.
    That’s like a tenfricta damn what a nation 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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  • “Responsible” gun lobby.

    Louisville bank shooter killed 5 people to highlight gun laws, police report shows

    A man who killed five people and injured eight at a Louisville bank in April was motivated by outrage over gun laws he considered lax, and a hope that his rampage would highlight the ease with which he acquired an AR-15 and spur politicians into action on the issue, according to the shooter’s personal writings revealed in a police report Thursday.

    “I have decided to make an impact. These people did not deserve to die, but because I was depressed and able to buy [guns], they are gone. Perhaps this is the impact for change — upper class white people dying. I certainly would not have been able to do this were it more difficult to get a gun,” Connor Sturgeon wrote six days before the April 10 shooting at the Old National Bank where he worked.

    “I know our politicians are solely focused on lining their own pockets, but maybe this will knock some sense into them. If not, good luck,” he wrote.

    The police report, made public Tuesday, shares chilling details on the shooter’s thoughts and motives leading to the massacre. The 25-year-old described suffering from persistent depression, feeling inadequate and bearing the weight of nationwide issues afflicted him, including inflation, climate disaster and a lack of mental health care. He criticized politicians, gun-interest groups and party politics for deadly gun violence, and particularly, for gun laws that made getting a rifle “so easy.” These issues, he wrote, propelled his homicidal plans.

    Gun violence maintains a grip on the nation. Three dozen mass shootings — The Post defines these as events in which four or more people died, not including the perpetrator — have occurred this year, and larger debates rage over whether the AR-15 and similar weapons are too easy to get.

    In Kentucky, Sturgeon faced no barriers to entry as a gun owner. He had no prior criminal record, which means he would have passed the federally required background check, The Washington Post reported. The state does not have a “red flag” law, a measure to prevent people who are reported to be potentially dangerous from buying and possessing guns.

    If such a law existed in Kentucky, it still may not have prevented Sturgeon from buying the weapon. His parents never sought police intervention because they said they had no idea he had even considered buying a gun.

    On April 4, Sturgeon purchased an AR-15 rifle. The rifle cost $499.99, according to a receipt in the police report. That day, he wrote about his goals to “impact” gun access, lambasted politicians “with no interest in making things better” and urged officials to “stop letting anyone buy guns or this will keep happening,” the report showed.

    A day before the shooting, Sturgeon wrote that he is “definitely very sick” and continued marveling at his ability to acquire a rifle.

    “OH MY GOD THIS IS SO EASY. Seriously, I knew it would be doable but this is ridiculous. Walked in and bought a gun, 4 mags, and 120 rounds for $700. Got some glasses and earplugs,” he wrote on April 9. “It is legitimately unfathomable how easy this all was. … There is nothing anyone could have done.”

    Now, he said, his “sickness wins.”

    “But let us not forget the most important player here. The one who made all this possible. Lets give it up for the NRA!!” he wrote on April 9. “I couldn’t have done this without all of your lobbying dollars! You really brought this whole thing together. This is the world you are building. One without any regard for the value of human life.”

    Sturgeon began his rampage at his workplace the next day. He posted on his Instagram that morning: “They won’t listen to words or protests. Let’s see if they hear this,” and live-streamed the attack, the report said. Police shot and killed him at the scene.

    Interviews with survivors, victims’ families and Sturgeon’s parents revealed frustration, sorrow and anger over how easy it was for someone with apparent mental health problems to obtain a semiautomatic rifle built for mass violence, The Post reported. 

    Some close to Sturgeon knew he was having problems. But no one knew that he had purchased a gun, according to his parents, and his psychiatrist had indicated that Sturgeon was doing better.

    Surviving victims and family members said they are finalizing a lawsuit against Radical Firearms, the Texas company that produced the rifle Sturgeon used. The victims’ attorneys stated Thursday that the release of the police report “is an important step for those personally impacted by the tragedy as well as for the community.”

    “Our legal team will promptly review this report in detail as we move forward preparing for civil litigation in this matter,” said a statement from Thomas Law Offices and Romanucci and Blandin. “Most importantly, our hearts are with our clients this week as they process this painful report, while many of them have an empty seat at their Thanksgiving table or they reflect on the deep trauma they have experienced this year.”

    There’s an average of 24 mass shootings a year in the United States. Dozens of people have died in shootings this year in Monterey Park, Calif.; Half Moon Bay, Calif.; MemphisAllen, Tex; Cleveland, Tex.; and more. Last month, a gunman killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine, the deadliest mass shooting of 2023. That man had similarly exhibited mental health struggles but was able to purchase a gun.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/11/21/louisville-shooter-connor-sturgeon-report/

    I was wondering when someone would do this.  

    So to show you it's something you believe is wrong or broken, you justify killing people to bring awareness to it?

    That's not messed up at all in the slightest...


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