The right to bear arms

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1697029032984883520?t=8i1HpXpo5uHcRmuFnMbvpg&s=19

Will the “responsible” gun owner teaching “firearm safety” go to prison for their stupidity? Or, does 2A apply to 4 year olds and it was their “right” to possess a firearm and be taught “firearms safety?” Hey, but did you hear Hunter Biden lied on his federal firearm form?

I'm all for this person going to prison.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

Good luck with this one.

The estate is claiming that it's the police's fault that people were allowed to run amok which led to his death.

The kid was an idiot for what he did but I don't see this case getting any momentum.

the waved at him as he was making his way past them toward the crowds. dudes an adult now and looks young. looked even younger then and they don't stop and question? at all?

You did see the mobs there and the other film footage right?  Cops getting involved with any incident during that time would have been looked at as negative.  You can't say in hindsight what they should have done now.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1697029032984883520?t=8i1HpXpo5uHcRmuFnMbvpg&s=19

Will the “responsible” gun owner teaching “firearm safety” go to prison for their stupidity? Or, does 2A apply to 4 year olds and it was their “right” to possess a firearm and be taught “firearms safety?” Hey, but did you hear Hunter Biden lied on his federal firearm form?

I'm all for this person going to prison.

Before the shooting, Evangaline and the older girl were being punished that morning by Runions for not waking up the women and for eating Daniels’ food without permission, according to the warrant and a statement from Russell Johnson, district attorney general for Tennessee’s 9th Judicial District<span>. Runions struck both girls with a sandal before forcing them to stand in different corners of the women’s bedroom, authorities said the older girl told them.</span>

how awful...those poor girls were probably unsupervised and hungry

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting that this person doesn't mention that the Hollywood shootout was used w AK47's and 9mm rounds. He makes it sound like AR's were used there when they weren't.

I don't agree with banning them or making them a Class 3 weapon.  Class 3 is a pain in the ass.  

I have no problems with making it more difficult in getting them though.  As I get older I too realize that not everyone should own these.

no. he said they were outgunned with auto and semi auto, necessitating the need to go to gun stores in the middle of it. and from that incident , L.E. began aquiring these weapons.

YES.

He says that but, he makes no mention of them being AK's. The whole article revolves around the AR. I'm very familiar with the whole situation and what transpired during and found it odd that he left that part out.  The cops didn't "purchase" those weapons either, the store owner handed them over.

He does say "these types of weapons," which to me implies its not an AR but something similar. And I would agree with that, an AK is not an AR, but it is similar in that it's an assault rifle designed for the military. There's no need for him to be specific and mention AK-47 here with the point he's making. 

Just wondering if you might have thought it was an AR before reading my comment?

It's not that big a deal as I know where he was going with it just interesting that he didn't point out that they used an AK and also a HK91.  Those two guns aren't well known to the public I guess?

There are a lot of states that have changed their laws because of instances like the Hollywood bank robbery.  Interesting enough the guns the shooters had were banned and the suspects were allowed to keep them from a judge in that they were to sell them and recoup money to help pay their bills.

I would hope that this would never happen today.

Can't really say because I read your comment first before I read that article. I also think I already knew it was an AK. I say I think because its hard to go back and try to remember what I didn't remember after talking about it.
But I was in high school when it happened and lived about half hour away.  I remembered they had body armor, and the one dude shot himself with his hand gun when his rifle got a stove pipe jam that anyone with gun experience should be able to clear in a couple seconds, but for some reason he didn't and just shot himself instead. And the other guy tried to carjack someone, but the victim took the keys and ran off. Then they had a shootout which was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. He was hit multiple times and bled to death while waiting for the ambulance, then his mom sued the city for taking so long, even though they took so long because they had to help all the people he shot first. I didn't know one used an HK91, but pretty sure I knew one used an AK.
I feel like AKs are well known, at least well recognized. Even if you don't know it by name, people are going to recognize an AK-47 if you've ever seen any movie with any terrorist in it ever. Or any Vietnam war movie, or almost any post WWII war movie. Its the most widely used assault rifle in the world. I think people just say AR to mean Assault Rifle, and not specifically AR-15.

I was curious about the AK's because we are getting older and every rap song talked about them back in the day, not so much in todays music.

I used to visit LA county during that time, used to work there too.  Lived between cali and Alaska/Seattle during that time.  Just like you I thought it was crazy but then again we always had high speed chases televised on tv in Cali.

Televising high speed chases wasn’t normal outside CA? I had no idea. I remember always getting pissed when they’d interrupt The Simpsons for some chase.

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

Good luck with this one.

The estate is claiming that it's the police's fault that people were allowed to run amok which led to his death.

The kid was an idiot for what he did but I don't see this case getting any momentum.

the waved at him as he was making his way past them toward the crowds. dudes an adult now and looks young. looked even younger then and they don't stop and question? at all?

You did see the mobs there and the other film footage right?  Cops getting involved with any incident during that time would have been looked at as negative.  You can't say in hindsight what they should have done now.

waving hello to armed people walking toward protesting/rioting people? are you fucking kidding me?

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

I never understood the amount of misinformation with this case. First of all, why does everyone keep repeating he crossed state lines with a gun, that isn’t illegal. And even if it was, he never did anyway.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

Good luck with this one.

The estate is claiming that it's the police's fault that people were allowed to run amok which led to his death.

The kid was an idiot for what he did but I don't see this case getting any momentum.

the waved at him as he was making his way past them toward the crowds. dudes an adult now and looks young. looked even younger then and they don't stop and question? at all?

You did see the mobs there and the other film footage right?  Cops getting involved with any incident during that time would have been looked at as negative.  You can't say in hindsight what they should have done now.

waving hello to armed people walking toward protesting/rioting people? are you fucking kidding me?

No I'm not kidding you...  Again.  Have you seen the videos there? This is all hindsight.  The shit that went on there you might as well sue everyone.

tempo_n_groove

The "waving".  This was when he had the gun raised over his head surrendering right?

mickeyrat

hmm, we have a volatile situation sarge. protest seems to be breaking into a riot. oh look, armed people walking toward them. wave hello everybody. nothing to see here.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting that this person doesn't mention that the Hollywood shootout was used w AK47's and 9mm rounds. He makes it sound like AR's were used there when they weren't.

I don't agree with banning them or making them a Class 3 weapon.  Class 3 is a pain in the ass.  

I have no problems with making it more difficult in getting them though.  As I get older I too realize that not everyone should own these.

no. he said they were outgunned with auto and semi auto, necessitating the need to go to gun stores in the middle of it. and from that incident , L.E. began aquiring these weapons.

YES.

He says that but, he makes no mention of them being AK's. The whole article revolves around the AR. I'm very familiar with the whole situation and what transpired during and found it odd that he left that part out.  The cops didn't "purchase" those weapons either, the store owner handed them over.

He does say "these types of weapons," which to me implies its not an AR but something similar. And I would agree with that, an AK is not an AR, but it is similar in that it's an assault rifle designed for the military. There's no need for him to be specific and mention AK-47 here with the point he's making. 

Just wondering if you might have thought it was an AR before reading my comment?

It's not that big a deal as I know where he was going with it just interesting that he didn't point out that they used an AK and also a HK91.  Those two guns aren't well known to the public I guess?

There are a lot of states that have changed their laws because of instances like the Hollywood bank robbery.  Interesting enough the guns the shooters had were banned and the suspects were allowed to keep them from a judge in that they were to sell them and recoup money to help pay their bills.

I would hope that this would never happen today.

Can't really say because I read your comment first before I read that article. I also think I already knew it was an AK. I say I think because its hard to go back and try to remember what I didn't remember after talking about it.
But I was in high school when it happened and lived about half hour away.  I remembered they had body armor, and the one dude shot himself with his hand gun when his rifle got a stove pipe jam that anyone with gun experience should be able to clear in a couple seconds, but for some reason he didn't and just shot himself instead. And the other guy tried to carjack someone, but the victim took the keys and ran off. Then they had a shootout which was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. He was hit multiple times and bled to death while waiting for the ambulance, then his mom sued the city for taking so long, even though they took so long because they had to help all the people he shot first. I didn't know one used an HK91, but pretty sure I knew one used an AK.
I feel like AKs are well known, at least well recognized. Even if you don't know it by name, people are going to recognize an AK-47 if you've ever seen any movie with any terrorist in it ever. Or any Vietnam war movie, or almost any post WWII war movie. Its the most widely used assault rifle in the world. I think people just say AR to mean Assault Rifle, and not specifically AR-15.

I was curious about the AK's because we are getting older and every rap song talked about them back in the day, not so much in todays music.

I used to visit LA county during that time, used to work there too.  Lived between cali and Alaska/Seattle during that time.  Just like you I thought it was crazy but then again we always had high speed chases televised on tv in Cali.

Televising high speed chases wasn’t normal outside CA? I had no idea. I remember always getting pissed when they’d interrupt The Simpsons for some chase.

I've seen a few living in Florida.  Other states?  Nope.  NY we don't see them. Other states I've lived I don't recall them and I've lived a lot of places.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

I never understood the amount of misinformation with this case. First of all, why does everyone keep repeating he crossed state lines with a gun, that isn’t illegal. And even if it was, he never did anyway.

I think he's referring to the oddity that one would claim self defense when he clearly went there to pick a fight. 

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1696877035346395516?t=GYbxkMLZWDR7mrbuNdPesg&s=19

I never understood the amount of misinformation with this case. First of all, why does everyone keep repeating he crossed state lines with a gun, that isn’t illegal. And even if it was, he never did anyway.

I think he's referring to the oddity that one would claim self defense when he clearly went there to pick a fight. 

But why still include the comment that he crossed state lines with an assault rifle?
I think Kyle was an idiot for going, he’s not some hero, and he shouldn’t have been there. But there was, and I guess still is, so much false information about the situation.
The headlines and comments make it sound like he traveled hours and illegally crossed state lines or something to get to a city he had no business in. When the reality was he lived 20 minutes away, he frequently visited because his dad and friends lived there, worked there at one time. And the gun was stored at his friends house so he never crossed state lines with it. I don’t know why people want to change that narrative. Just say kids shouldn’t be allowed to patrol and be their own armed militia. That seems common sense enough, no need to fabricate this story.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1698185118157013382?t=L4ZUHmV_sGrIMAeK1_uU5A&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1700723953776595192?t=PvOpXXRmtK62bOabMsb6fg&s=19

cblock4life

The guy next door is shooting the lantern flies on his maple tree with an air gun.  He’s been doing this every 1/2 hour, all day, for about a week now.  Are my chances pretty good he’ll injure himself soon?  Hahahaha 

gimmesometruth27

i thought the gop was for anybody having a gun. why are they for taking away hunter biden's right to bear arms?

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

i thought the gop was for anybody having a gun. why are they for taking away hunter biden's right to bear arms?

Well, they are appealing the ruling that might negate the gun charge but Hunter’s Brandon crime family’s boss’s DOJ is defending the law that would make Hunter’s gun charges stick in a masterful triple, double cross of simple but ingenious legal maneuvering to coverup and distract from the laptop contents and the residuals Brandon receives from each and every charge. How else do you think Brandon affords that big house on the Delaware shore that he spends every weekend in? Clearly, Brandon is not one of US.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/lawindsor/status/1702704154525712609?t=pNamFb0uZhdmQFeWJgFZRg&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/DC_DeWitt/status/1702698349839675628?t=owRNwypoj-JZa5qmTiIuvg&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

Should have had less doors around his property, I guess. Thoughts and prayers. For the 8 year old.

Man accused of gunning down neighbor during tree-trimming dispute

A disagreement over trimming a tree turned deadly after an elderly man shot his neighbor, according to a Florida sheriff’s office, the latest example of a pedestrian situation in the United States ending with a shooting death.

Edward Druzolowski was arrested Sunday on a second-degree murder charge after admitting to detectives he killed 42-year-old Brian Ford for not leaving Druzolowski’s property while trimming trees along their fence line, according to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office. Ford’s 8-year-old son watched his father get gunned down.

A 78-year-old with osteoporosis, Druzolowski told detectives he brought the gun for protection because he feared what being shoved to the ground would do to his body. Druzolowski’s wife told detectives her husband only meant to “scare” Ford.

National experts said some owners of firearms in the United States, with its prevalent gun culture, struggle to make split-second decisions that don’t end in death because the shooters are riddled with fear or paranoia, or lack understanding of their legal protections. Many Americans are afraid of each other, and fear mixed with guns can often lead to needless death, they say.

Florida, the nation’s third-most populated state, has earned the nickname “Gunshine State” — state data shows there is one gun permit for every eight Floridians. Legislators approved a bill in March allowing people to carry concealed firearms without a permit or proof of training, often dubbed “constitutional carry.”

Druzolowski said he never had problems with Ford. He said they hadn’t spoken in a couple of years. But he was afraid of Ford because Ford had told him in the past how he would win fights in prison.

“Edward said he was afraid Brian would have hurt or killed him if he didn’t shoot him,” detectives wrote.

Druzolowski told detectives he was in his bedroom watching football Sunday evening when his wife came in to say that Ford was cutting branches off their tree. He didn’t think much of it because he thought Ford was on his own property, according to the arrest report. When Druzolowski’s wife came back later and said Ford was on their property, Druzolowski got his holstered .357 Magnum revolver wrapped in a blue handkerchief from the bottom drawer of his nightstand and went outside.

Druzolowski, in the arrest report, said he saw his gate open from his back porch and Ford with a chain saw. Druzolowski said he told Ford to get off his property, he told deputies. Ford essentially told him to mind his business and then cursed at him, Druzolowski said.

The older man said he then pulled out his revolver, threw the holster and handkerchief on the ground and aimed at Ford.

“‘You are pointing a gun at me, are you going to shoot me?’” Druzolowski recalled Ford saying as the younger man approached. Druzolowski told detectives he yelled for Ford to stop coming closer or he would shoot.

Druzolowski told detectives he keeps the first two chambers of his revolver empty as a safety measure. But aiming at Ford, he pulled the trigger once. Click. Nothing. He said Ford kept moving toward him. Click.

This time, the gun fired. Apparently there was a round in the chamber.

Druzolowski said he yelled for his wife to call 911.

Druzolowski said he hadn’t called 911 earlier because he didn’t think they would respond to a tree dispute between neighbors, plus Ford would be off his property by the time police arrived.

Authorities interviewed Ford’s 8-year-old son, who saw his father shot and killed. The boy said his father told Druzolowski, “I’ll cut your head off with the chain saw” but that the chain saw was not on or running. Police made no other mention of that statement in their report.

Police found Ford face up with a chain saw by his right foot and two knives nearby.

Druzolowski remained in Volusia County jail without bail as of Tuesday morning. His arraignment hearing is scheduled for Oct. 12, according to online Volusia court records.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/19/florida-tree-trimming-shooting/