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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited August 2015
    what dreams said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    The "dumbing down" of America is a really real thing, and I think this issue has a fair bit to do with that.

    PJ-Soul, I totally respect your opinion. The average American truly is dumb. I am a public educator of 20+ years and what I have seen happen over a generation is sickening. . . .

    But it is just factually incorrect to say that a lack of access to higher education has caused the dumbing down. There are more students going to college now than at any other time in American history. And if you look at the average GPA in America over the past 20 years, you will see nothing but grossly inflated grades at the same time standardized scores have plummeted. Students are admitted to college with A averages and then they take their course placement tests and we find that close to 60% of students need remedial writing and math classes in college because they were pushed into a track they should never have found themselves to begin with. People have been lying to them all their lives about what special geniuses they are, and it finally hits them when they get to college that they are not. But nobody can say, "Oh, you don't really belong in a four year academic institution" because that would just be too politically incorrect and the so-called "under-served" populations will start crying about how their lives matter too, and the white, middle class helicopter moms will pull out their claws and gauge your eyes out. The fact is, colleges and universities in America can't keep up with the demands placed on them -- and *that* has more than a fair bit to do with the reason tuition and fees are going up.

    I think you said in another post that tuition should be subsidized for people who need it. Every college or university in America has a financial aid office for students who truly need it. I needed it. It's how I got hooked up to what apparently was a fantastic student loan. There are grants, work study programs, scholarships. You name it. The truth is -- anybody who wants to go to college in America can, and anybody who regrets their investment in their education probably should never have gone in the first place. To expand an already effective needs-based program to a 340 BILLION dollar entitlement for everybody is just wrong.
    I am actually an admistrator at a university, which I'm just mentioning so that people have a idea that I understand how it all works and what a university degree can or can't do for people. I am also someone who went to school full time while working almost full time as well, and still had to get a student loan at one point to support myself, and that's in Canada. My student loan will finally be paid off this October, 15 years after i graduated, and I didn't even get much.
    And understanding how it all works, I stand with what I already said. But yes, of course there is already money going to universities, I just meant more subsidization, because what's being done now isn't enough. It's drilling a wider gap between the privileged and the poor - the kind of gap that lends itself to making it eternally worse with each year.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Here in Fl,we converted most our jr colleges into 4 year state schools.There is now talks of making those schools free just like public HS.I think this could be a nice start.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Properly appropriated funds to education are not something I would fight.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited August 2015
    rr165892 said:

    Properly appropriated funds to education are not something I would fight.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, there bud.
    You are coming dangerously close to getting kicked out of team conservative, better mind your manners!
    :tongue:
    Post edited by rgambs on
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Properly appropriated funds to education are not something I would fight.

    Whoa, who's, who's here but.
    You are coming dangerously close to getting kicked out of team conservative, better mind your manners!
    :tongue:
    I was thinking the same thing.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Boys,you know I take it issue by issue.It all dosent have to fit in a nice neat little box.And I'm a charter member of team C so I'm not worried about loosing my card.
    Plus we can get the money from cutting bullshit wasteful entitlements and won't have to raise income taxes at all.
    Gambs don't think I didn't catch the PJ reference there.Way to work it in.Nice job.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    Boys,you know I take it issue by issue.It all dosent have to fit in a nice neat little box.And I'm a charter member of team C so I'm not worried about loosing my card.
    Plus we can get the money from cutting bullshit wasteful entitlements and won't have to raise income taxes at all.
    Gambs don't think I didn't catch the PJ reference there.Way to work it in.Nice job.

    It's too bad our candidates usually do!
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,974
    edited August 2015
    Funny stuff by Bad Lip Reading and I'm sure there will be another after the Dem debate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU

    Post edited by Kat on
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm3d43HLyTI
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Gimmie your on fire this am. Loved the clip. Funny but oh so sad.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    did anybody see the results of the fact check of the most recent debate? they are running on absolute lies.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    did anybody see the results of the fact check of the most recent debate? they are running on absolute lies.

    I can only imagine, I did see the whopper Fiorina told about PP.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    rgambs said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    did anybody see the results of the fact check of the most recent debate? they are running on absolute lies.

    I can only imagine, I did see the whopper Fiorina told about PP.
    the scene she described was nowhere to be found in the entire 12 hours of the planned parenthook sting videos.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I didn't watch the latest debate, but you can bet your bottom nickel that if a politician said it it's probably a lie.....what a shame.

    Godfather.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Godfather. said:

    I didn't watch the latest debate, but you can bet your bottom nickel that if a politician said it it's probably a lie.....what a shame.

    Godfather.

    That's like the old joke "How can you tell if a politician is lying ? Their lips are moving "
  • JUST A GIRL
    JUST A GIRL Posts: 372
    Godfather. said:

    I didn't watch the latest debate, but you can bet your bottom nickel that if a politician said it it's probably a lie.....what a shame.

    Godfather.

    What a broad generalization. At least know what you're disagreeing with.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited September 2015
    JUST A GIRL said:

    Godfather. said:

    I didn't watch the latest debate, but you can bet your bottom nickel that if a politician said it it's probably a lie.....what a shame.

    Godfather.

    What a broad generalization. At least know what you're disagreeing with.
    back up sunshine, I didn't need to see the debate to have an opinion on politicians.

    Godfather.

  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jeffbr said:

    The Official GOP Debate Drinking Game Rules according to Rolling Stone. Better read and understand the rules before the event gets underway. What will everyone be drinking? I have a fresh bottle of Knob Creek Bourbon I'll be cracking open.

    In the interest of being a balanced non-partisan (and a fan of drinking games!) here are your rules for tonight!
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    The Official Democratic Debate Drinking Game Rules

    No bourbon for me tonight. I think I'll stick to beer or green.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Definitely going the green route! Not sure how much of it (the debate, not the bud) I'll be able to take, but I'm going to choose three of the rules by which to abide.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,415
    it is refreshing to see an intelligent debate on the issues rather than the flag waving chest beating from the other side.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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