Do You Think Deep Down, Americans Are Concerned That Donald Trump May Actually Win?

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  • I am American - No
    Shawshank said:

    If they are able to eliminate state lines for insurance like he's said time and again that will be huge. He's also said he wants people to be provided insurance if they can't afford it. He's not opposed to a single payer system like Canada. He wants to eliminate the rape job we were given when the Republicans fucked up Obamacare, which worked out REALLY well for insurance. Those are just a few of the reasons why Republicans want him eliminated from the race. He's waaaaaaayyyyyyy too left for the right wing whack jobs.

    Thanks for the heads up. Eliminating state lines for insurance would be a huge win for many people. We already have provisions for health insurance for those who cannot afford it. I had not heard that he would consider single payer like Bernie Sanders. Interesting.

  • I am American - No
    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    brianlux said:

    Lets put Trump and Bernie Sanders on a debate stage and see what happens. It would be a bit like putting me and Mike McCready on a stage for a guitar shootout. :lol:

    I'd love to see Bernie Sanders and Trump on the debate stage. Sooner or later, Trump is going to have to give some specific details in his answers. Trump stated he will repeal and replacement Obamacare with "something terrific." Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy ... what could it be?! Where is a sarcasm emoticon when you need one?

    This one? image

    Or maybe this one?

    image

    LOL!

    :p
    Thank you guys. I suspect there will be many image, image, :p and/or :punch: in my future posts.

  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Sweet Jesus, the train keeps on a rolling. According to CNN this morning he's within 6 points of Hillary and has the support of over 80% of the Republican and independent voters. This is going to be one crazy election if it keeps going lIke this. I personally love to see Bush, and assholes like Chris Christie dumbfounded and scrambling to discredit him. So choice.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited August 2015
    I am American - No
    Shawshank said:

    Sweet Jesus, the train keeps on a rolling. According to CNN this morning he's within 6 points of Hillary and has the support of over 80% of the Republican and independent voters. This is going to be one crazy election if it keeps going lIke this. I personally love to see Bush, and assholes like Chris Christie dumbfounded and scrambling to discredit him. So choice.

    Think those that strongly oppose him will keep him from being elected. Will be very interesting to see what the republican establishment will do to derail his campaign. They are gun shy though and Trump knew they would and will again try. Why he keeps his trump card visible, running third party.
    This will be fun.

    So happy Trump entered.

    Course Dems aren't fairing better with front runner's emails being perused by FBI for indiscretions. HA.



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  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    callen said:


    This will be fun.

    That is exactly how I feel. I know that the potential future of the country shouldn't be a "fun" adventure, but man...it's exciting. After soooooooooooo many years of boring, lifeless, robotic candidates and everyone being controlled by the donating puppeteers...finally something that is refreshing on both sides. I love Sanders' attitude as well and he makes excellent points. I would absolutely love to see Trump and Sanders be the two nominees. I think the debates would be awesome, and it would be a close race between the two.

    One thing about Trump that I don't think people really consider is...I'm sure he wants to have a strong economy, probably more than any other candidate. And I doubt his economic policies will be built around what big corporations and banks want...it will be centered around the general population having better income overall. He wants Americans to have jobs, and have additional disposable income. He owns hotels and and casinos for God's sake...he needs people to have extra money. lol

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    he's trailing hellary by only 6 points in the CNN polls....and gaining ground.

    Godfather.


  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I am American - No
    Choosing the President of the United States is not supposed to be great fun or great entertainment...but it often becomes both. Particularly if you buy in on a particular candidate or feel strongly against another.

    From Iowa through the drama leading up to the DNC, 2008 was an epic roller coaster. Who the hell knows what is going to happen on the Republican side this time? And would anyone really - honest and truly - be stunned if Hillary has to drop out for one scandalous reason or another? The Dems could be thrown into chaos, too.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    JimmyV said:

    Choosing the President of the United States is not supposed to be great fun or great entertainment...but it often becomes both. Particularly if you buy in on a particular candidate or feel strongly against another.

    From Iowa through the drama leading up to the DNC, 2008 was an epic roller coaster. Who the hell knows what is going to happen on the Republican side this time? And would anyone really - honest and truly - be stunned if Hillary has to drop out for one scandalous reason or another? The Dems could be thrown into chaos, too.

    this is going to be weird, I'll write in Hunter Thompson and use his quote
    " it never got weird enough for me"

    Godfather.

  • whispering handswhispering hands Posts: 13,527
    edited August 2015
    I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes

    I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..

    " And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots"

    the same ones that voted obama in right ? we have to look at what is going on in our country to understand why Trump is so popular, obama himself set up Trumps lead in the polls creating a mess of this country since he's become president, Trump fit right into an opening that the voters need filled and he's saying what Americans need or want to hear..it's that simple, the people are tired of lies, scandle and burden and a seasoned polition is trainned to lie from the start and make false promices to get into office, maybe Trump is not the man for the job ? but he's not hiding behind political bullshit to sway the voters, he has become popular and if he gets voted in we will find out if he's worth a shit...just like all the rest.

    Godfather.



  • I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..

    " And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots"

    the same ones that voted obama in right ? we have to look at what is going on in our country to understand why Trump is so popular, obama himself set up Trumps lead in the polls creating a mess of this country since he's become president, Trump fit right into an opening that the voters need filled and he's saying what Americans need or want to hear..it's that simple, the people are tired of lies, scandle and burden and a seasoned polition is trainned to lie from the start and make false promices to get into office, maybe Trump is not the man for the job ? but he's not hiding behind political bullshit to sway the voters, he has become popular and if he gets voted in we will find out if he's worth a shit...just like all the rest.

    Godfather.



    Very valid point.. And I honestly
    Believe Obama got voted in cause it a mixture of political correctness, and the whole deception behind his 'I promise CHANGE!!" campaign. But what do I know??
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes

    I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..

    " And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots"

    the same ones that voted obama in right ? we have to look at what is going on in our country to understand why Trump is so popular, obama himself set up Trumps lead in the polls creating a mess of this country since he's become president, Trump fit right into an opening that the voters need filled and he's saying what Americans need or want to hear..it's that simple, the people are tired of lies, scandle and burden and a seasoned polition is trainned to lie from the start and make false promices to get into office, maybe Trump is not the man for the job ? but he's not hiding behind political bullshit to sway the voters, he has become popular and if he gets voted in we will find out if he's worth a shit...just like all the rest.

    Godfather.



    Very valid point.. And I honestly
    Believe Obama got voted in cause it a mixture of political correctness, and the whole deception behind his 'I promise CHANGE!!" campaign. But what do I know??
    more like what do we know ? LOL !!!!

    Godfather.

  • I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..

    " And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots"

    the same ones that voted obama in right ? we have to look at what is going on in our country to understand why Trump is so popular, obama himself set up Trumps lead in the polls creating a mess of this country since he's become president, Trump fit right into an opening that the voters need filled and he's saying what Americans need or want to hear..it's that simple, the people are tired of lies, scandle and burden and a seasoned polition is trainned to lie from the start and make false promices to get into office, maybe Trump is not the man for the job ? but he's not hiding behind political bullshit to sway the voters, he has become popular and if he gets voted in we will find out if he's worth a shit...just like all the rest.

    Godfather.



    Very valid point.. And I honestly
    Believe Obama got voted in cause it a mixture of political correctness, and the whole deception behind his 'I promise CHANGE!!" campaign. But what do I know??
    more like what do we know ? LOL !!!!

    Godfather.

    :-)
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I am American - No
    Obamacare, gay marriage, improved relations with Cuba, diplomacy with Iran. It seems to me President Obama delivered on his promise for change.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    No

    I agree with one and only one piece of his spiel, and that is this: " America is headed for grave grave disaster, financially, politically, socially, and the family values are already GONE! Family is no longer a structured effort, but instead it's whatever suits your personal whims and fantasies..but worst of all, America has forgotten it's roots, in hard work, faith, family, and integrity."

    Anything after that is just his ego stroking itself. He is definitely one one of the greatest Narcisists of our time.. However I worry in his getting elected because this country is FASCINATED with famous people.. And we have nincompoop techno-robot-voters holding ballots... It's scary, but I hope for the sake of this country you all are correct in saying this guy will never see the Oval Office other than to visit..

    I just can't believe that any politician is still harping about what families should and shouldn't be. It's shocking.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529

    he's trailing hellary by only 6 points in the CNN polls....and gaining ground.

    Godfather.


    Trump can't win Texas, Florida or California with almost no latino vote and not a great % of the woman vote. Those 3 states represent 122 electoral college votes which is 45% of what one candidate needs to win. Lose all 3 of those states and it's almost impossible to win the election. Trump will not be President (in fact i believe he will drop out at some point and blame the media).
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    JimmyV said:

    Obamacare, gay marriage, improved relations with Cuba, diplomacy with Iran. It seems to me President Obama delivered on his promise for change.

    you should talk to a few local Cubans and see what they think of that, I have and none of them like it at all.

    Godfather.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    No

    JimmyV said:

    Obamacare, gay marriage, improved relations with Cuba, diplomacy with Iran. It seems to me President Obama delivered on his promise for change.

    you should talk to a few local Cubans and see what they think of that, I have and none of them like it at all.

    Godfather.

    Why not?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    pjhawks said:

    he's trailing hellary by only 6 points in the CNN polls....and gaining ground.

    Godfather.


    Trump can't win Texas, Florida or California with almost no latino vote and not a great % of the woman vote. Those 3 states represent 122 electoral college votes which is 45% of what one candidate needs to win. Lose all 3 of those states and it's almost impossible to win the election. Trump will not be President (in fact i believe he will drop out at some point and blame the media).
    cool, but he's waking up Americans and that's what America needs right now, people have been lead like sheep to the slaughter for far too long and with each president it just seems to get worse
    so hopefully this will be a wake up call for all the politions to pull thier heads out of thier ass's.

    Godfather.

  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I am American - No

    JimmyV said:

    Obamacare, gay marriage, improved relations with Cuba, diplomacy with Iran. It seems to me President Obama delivered on his promise for change.

    you should talk to a few local Cubans and see what they think of that, I have and none of them like it at all.

    Godfather.

    There are pros and cons to all things. That some are unhappy with the change doesn't contradict my point. Opening Cuba is a HUGE change.

    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    No

    pjhawks said:

    he's trailing hellary by only 6 points in the CNN polls....and gaining ground.

    Godfather.


    Trump can't win Texas, Florida or California with almost no latino vote and not a great % of the woman vote. Those 3 states represent 122 electoral college votes which is 45% of what one candidate needs to win. Lose all 3 of those states and it's almost impossible to win the election. Trump will not be President (in fact i believe he will drop out at some point and blame the media).
    cool, but he's waking up Americans and that's what America needs right now, people have been lead like sheep to the slaughter for far too long and with each president it just seems to get worse
    so hopefully this will be a wake up call for all the politions to pull thier heads out of thier ass's.

    Godfather.

    So lemme get this straight.... You think that Trump would make things better? What do you think he'd actually do to make things better for Americans?
    What exactly are you referring to when you say "people have been lead like sheep to the slaughter"?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    JimmyV said:

    JimmyV said:

    Obamacare, gay marriage, improved relations with Cuba, diplomacy with Iran. It seems to me President Obama delivered on his promise for change.

    you should talk to a few local Cubans and see what they think of that, I have and none of them like it at all.

    Godfather.

    There are pros and cons to all things. That some are unhappy with the change doesn't contradict my point. Opening Cuba is a HUGE change.

    yes it is.

    Godfather.

  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    PJ_Soul said:


    Why not?


    Because the Cubans that are here, for the most part, hate Castro and everything he stands for. Nothing is changing with regard to how they treat the people there, yet we are pandering to them now. It's not the economic hardships that people try to escape, it's the sociological ones. Just because Americans may be able to legally buy Cuban cigars someday, does not help ease the grip of their dictatorship. So yes, the Cubans dislike the fact that we are warming our relations with no stipulation on having the government there change the way the people are treated.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    No
    You think America is "pandering" to Cuba now?
    I understand that people in Cuba may not support their own government, but why would that make them against America resuming relations with them? The Cuban government is still the Cuban government, so I don't see why Cubans would expect the US to come in a change their government. In fact, I can only imagine the outrage if they tried. Shouldn't they remain concerned about the problems of their own government, while still being glad that renewed ties with the US will almost certainly have a positive impact on their economy?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    pjhawks said:


    Trump can't win Texas, Florida or California with almost no latino vote and not a great % of the woman vote. Those 3 states represent 122 electoral college votes which is 45% of what one candidate needs to win. Lose all 3 of those states and it's almost impossible to win the election. Trump will not be President (in fact i believe he will drop out at some point and blame the media).

    He will easily win Texas. This place is absolutely bat shit crazy for Trump right now. It's insane. He may not get many votes in Austin, but even the Hispanics I work with on a daily basis are excited about him. I NEVER bring him up, or any politics really, but they talk him up like crazy. Mainly because they feel he will make legal immigration easier. They talk about family they have that are too afraid to come here illegally, but he's already said his goal is to secure the border and make legal immigration a much easier process. And it should be. So that is what they are excited about. I've never seen such a buzz about a candidate before...ever.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    Shawshank said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    Why not?
    Because the Cubans that are here, for the most part, hate Castro and everything he stands for. Nothing is changing with regard to how they treat the people there, yet we are pandering to them now. It's not the economic hardships that people try to escape, it's the sociological ones. Just because Americans may be able to legally buy Cuban cigars someday, does not help ease the grip of their dictatorship. So yes, the Cubans dislike the fact that we are warming our relations with no stipulation on having the government there change the way the people are treated.



    that's the story I get from Cuban people as well.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    PJ_Soul said:

    You think America is "pandering" to Cuba now?
    I understand that people in Cuba may not support their own government, but why would that make them against America resuming relations with them? The Cuban government is still the Cuban government, so I don't see why Cubans would expect the US to come in a change their government. In fact, I can only imagine the outrage if they tried. Shouldn't they remain concerned about the problems of their own government, while still being glad that renewed ties with the US will almost certainly have a positive impact on their economy?

    because America does it for everybody else (and that never works out) and positive impact on thier economy will probably only mean more wealth for the castro machine.

    bottom line....it was a bad idea...a big change but a bad idea.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    Shawshank said:

    pjhawks said:


    Trump can't win Texas, Florida or California with almost no latino vote and not a great % of the woman vote. Those 3 states represent 122 electoral college votes which is 45% of what one candidate needs to win. Lose all 3 of those states and it's almost impossible to win the election. Trump will not be President (in fact i believe he will drop out at some point and blame the media).

    He will easily win Texas. This place is absolutely bat shit crazy for Trump right now. It's insane. He may not get many votes in Austin, but even the Hispanics I work with on a daily basis are excited about him. I NEVER bring him up, or any politics really, but they talk him up like crazy. Mainly because they feel he will make legal immigration easier. They talk about family they have that are too afraid to come here illegally, but he's already said his goal is to secure the border and make legal immigration a much easier process. And it should be. So that is what they are excited about. I've never seen such a buzz about a candidate before...ever.

    I've never seen such a buzz about a candidate before...ever.

    that right there tells me he can win, I have never seen such a thing either.

    Godfather.




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited August 2015
    No

    PJ_Soul said:

    You think America is "pandering" to Cuba now?
    I understand that people in Cuba may not support their own government, but why would that make them against America resuming relations with them? The Cuban government is still the Cuban government, so I don't see why Cubans would expect the US to come in a change their government. In fact, I can only imagine the outrage if they tried. Shouldn't they remain concerned about the problems of their own government, while still being glad that renewed ties with the US will almost certainly have a positive impact on their economy?

    because America does it for everybody else (and that never works out) and positive impact on thier economy will probably only mean more wealth for the castro machine.

    bottom line....it was a bad idea...a big change but a bad idea.

    Godfather.

    So if it's a disaster when American does it with others, why would the Cubans want them to do it for Cuba? And even if the import/export wealth doesn't reach people, the increased tourism certainly will, so no matter what, the move is a benefit to Cubans. And even if they can't accept that there is a small benefit, they'd still have to admit that it is a neutral move at worst. So I Plus, Cuba and American strengthening ties will more than likely lead to positive changes to the Cuban government over time, since it is a big step towards getting more in line with the global community, which pretty much always leads to improvements overall. PLUS it should make it easier for Cubans to try and immigrate to and simply travel to the States. So I'm going to go ahead and argue that Cubans or anyone else who are actually against this don't actually know wtf they're talking about.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I am American - Yes
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    You think America is "pandering" to Cuba now?
    I understand that people in Cuba may not support their own government, but why would that make them against America resuming relations with them? The Cuban government is still the Cuban government, so I don't see why Cubans would expect the US to come in a change their government. In fact, I can only imagine the outrage if they tried. Shouldn't they remain concerned about the problems of their own government, while still being glad that renewed ties with the US will almost certainly have a positive impact on their economy?

    because America does it for everybody else (and that never works out) and positive impact on thier economy will probably only mean more wealth for the castro machine.

    bottom line....it was a bad idea...a big change but a bad idea.

    Godfather.

    So if it's a disaster when American does it with others, why would the Cubans want them to do it for Cuba? And even if the import/export wealth doesn't reach people, the increased tourism certainly will, so no matter what, the move is a benefit to Cubans. And even if they can't accept that there is a small benefit, they'd still have to admit that it is a neutral move at worst. So I Plus, Cuba and American strengthening ties will more than likely lead to positive changes to the Cuban government over time, since it is a big step towards getting more in line with the global community, which pretty much always leads to improvements overall. PLUS it should make it easier for Cubans to try and immigrate to and simply travel to the States. So I'm going to go ahead and argue that Cubans or anyone else who are actually against this don't actually know wtf they're talking about.
    don't get me wrong, I hope it works out for the people of Cuba.
    changing Cuba over time ?....you know that would involve the Russians as well..
    and in my opinion if you want to know how Cubans feel about this it's probably best to ask one rather than tell them they don't know what they're talking about, after all they have lived it.

    Godfather.

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