The Donald for President

Godfather.

awwwww what's the matter kid's ? do you guy's need a hug ? I'll send the PC hug patrol to your neighborhoods (yes I have the kind of juice) Have a great weekend you guy's!

Godfather.

callen

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

You including sales taxes? Fuel taxes. Taxes landlords add to monthly rent payment? All the taxes that get passed on to end consumers?

rr165892

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

Bam!!!! You nailed that perfectly.I couldn't agree more.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

bootlegger10

callen said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

You including sales taxes? Fuel taxes. Taxes landlords add to monthly rent payment? All the taxes that get passed on to end consumers?

No, I said it was tough to lower income taxes. Are they supposed to pay no taxes?

PJ_Soul

Godfather. said:

awwwww what's the matter kid's ? do you guy's need a hug ? I'll send the PC hug patrol to your neighborhoods (yes I have the kind of juice) Have a great weekend you guy's!

Godfather.

What in the hell are you talking about GF?

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kI_rAFuKA

This isn't me presenting proof that "most" of the GOP vote against their own self interests but it's a good example.

Gern Blansten

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

rr165892

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

was Schwarzenegger a Dem? I forget

PJfanwillneverleave1

.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

no..just tired of it and disgusted all at the same time, I'm outta here !

Godfather.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

was Schwarzenegger a Dem? I forget

No,either was Bush,But Libs like to trot out shit a decade in the past ^^^^^^ as the root of all evil.Maybe some accountability by ALL politicians (Current Cali Admin)and the fiscal plans they stand behind would be a step in the right direction.Hows that water thing going for them???

callen

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

was Schwarzenegger a Dem? I forget

No,either was Bush,But Libs like to trot out shit a decade in the past ^^^^^^ as the root of all evil.Maybe some accountability by ALL politicians (Current Cali Admin)and the fiscal plans they stand behind would be a step in the right direction.Hows that water thing going for them???

Yeah they just need to pray for rain.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

was Schwarzenegger a Dem? I forget

No,either was Bush,But Libs like to trot out shit a decade in the past ^^^^^^ as the root of all evil.Maybe some accountability by ALL politicians (Current Cali Admin)and the fiscal plans they stand behind would be a step in the right direction.Hows that water thing going for them???

you mean the drought? Was that legislated?

Bentleyspop

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern your quite biased aren't you.You are big Dem guy right?.
As an Independent there is some good stuff in here that will impact my world.I take each candidate at face value until the propose policy.I think trump is a blow hard,but there is no denying his buisness savy.This country could use a little economic shot in the arm.

I'm biased against outrageous "tax plans" that have no basis in reality. There is already a 0% tax bracket. This plan will just increase the amount of people that pay $0. Aren't those the people that the conservatives are always complaining about? The 47% that are takers?

It's hilarious to me that a clown like Trump increases the number of people paying $0 (while decreasing his own taxes by a large %) and conservatives call it good...just fucking hilarious.

The top 10 percent of income earners paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2010 and earned 45% of all income. The bottom 50% paid 2% of income taxes. (I pulled this from a quick Google search). It would be difficult to lower taxes on the bottom 50% when they already pay very little income tax.

Anyway, you need to understand that conservatives don't think we should all pay zero income tax, or that we should all pay at the same rate. A lot of people I talk with are perfectly fine paying taxes, but don't like to see the taxes wasted. Some taxpayers are paying federal rates of 39.6% plus some other tack on taxes to support Obamacare. So I don't think conservatives are upset a family making $25,000 isn't paying tax, they just don't want to pay 40% if a lot of it is being wasted on mismanagement (and now mostly interest payments on the federal debt).

disagree...revisit Romney's 47% comments and the outrage that followed.

YOU might agree with lower earnings paying nothing but the overall majority of your party does not.

And to top it off...most of those in your party are those same people paying next to nothing. That's the hilarious part.

That last part is very wrong.The majority are your "job creators" buisness people who pay a shit ton.as fox calls us

The problem I have with Conservatism is that the tax cuts always end up going to the very richest, leaving the true job creators (small/medium businesses, medical practices, contractors etc) to pay out the ass.

And not so much that....our taxes aren't based off of how much the government "needs". That's why we have huge deficits. The problem is that the GOP makes these cuts to taxes and the deficits rise and then they try to cut social programs.

it just kills me that California is taxed to the gill's and then the cost of living is so high that I can't believe people can afford to live here, housing is some of the highest in the nation along with basic utilities that alone is just friggin scary, if you leave California in any direction housing cost and utilities fall about 50% until you hit parts of the east coast area's. so the tax structure seems a little odd to me.

Godfather.

A very liberal state run by Dems.Go figure.
You sound surprised G

was Schwarzenegger a Dem? I forget

No,either was Bush,But Libs like to trot out shit a decade in the past ^^^^^^ as the root of all evil.Maybe some accountability by ALL politicians (Current Cali Admin)and the fiscal plans they stand behind would be a step in the right direction.Hows that water thing going for them???

you mean the drought? Was that legislated?

I saw a story about the California drought on foxnews




They blamed President Obama

rr165892

All I know is they better use some of that wasted tax $$ on a real comprehensive plan to remedy their severe water problem.Im not talking about conserving,I'm talking about producing more liquid.Maybe salt water conversion.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

Moonpig said:

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/10/07/trump-praised-after-opening-fire-on-mosque-with-semi-automatic-rifle/

and some folks around here say FOXNEWS is shady ! HAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAH
it seems all sides are not immune to spreading a little comedy in the interest of political propaganda ....AWESOME !!!!!!

Godfather.

a satirical news site and a ridiculously partisan "news" channel like fox are not the same.