So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
I didn't know there was a minimum post requirement in this thread which I have followed from the beginning. Maybe you had a serious point to start with in your mind, maybe not. Somebody refutes you with a solid post and your answer is it's not welcome here? No I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seen you troll on here enough times but Jesus, give it a rest.
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
I didn't know there was a minimum post requirement in this thread which I have followed from the beginning. Maybe you had a serious point to start with in your mind, maybe not. Somebody refutes you with a solid post and your answer is it's not welcome here? No I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seen you troll on here enough times but Jesus, give it a rest.
I refuted a googled answer to people having suicidal thoughts. Quackery.
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
I didn't know there was a minimum post requirement in this thread which I have followed from the beginning. Maybe you had a serious point to start with in your mind, maybe not. Somebody refutes you with a solid post and your answer is it's not welcome here? No I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seen you troll on here enough times but Jesus, give it a rest.
I refuted a googled answer to people having suicidal thoughts. Quackery.
In that same logic, why the hell would anyone take your advice about anything?
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
I didn't know there was a minimum post requirement in this thread which I have followed from the beginning. Maybe you had a serious point to start with in your mind, maybe not. Somebody refutes you with a solid post and your answer is it's not welcome here? No I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seen you troll on here enough times but Jesus, give it a rest.
I refuted a googled answer to people having suicidal thoughts. Quackery.
In that same logic, why the hell would anyone take your advice about anything?
I didn't google it and the OP understood my advice.
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
I didn't know there was a minimum post requirement in this thread which I have followed from the beginning. Maybe you had a serious point to start with in your mind, maybe not. Somebody refutes you with a solid post and your answer is it's not welcome here? No I wasn't being sarcastic. I've seen you troll on here enough times but Jesus, give it a rest.
I refuted a googled answer to people having suicidal thoughts. Quackery.
In that same logic, why the hell would anyone take your advice about anything?
I didn't google it and the OP understood my advice.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
^^This
You too dignin?
People here are not offering anything to posters that say they have suicidal thoughts. They are deflecting the confession.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
^^This
You too dignin?
People here are not offering anything to posters that say they have suicidal thoughts. They are deflecting the confession.
I think the AMT should be a place where people feel free and welcome to talk about some of their more darker thoughts.
And right from the very start everyone has been encouraging the OP to talk to a professional, which OP said they would. It may not be a perfect system, but it works.
I think everyone, regardless of their political affiliation genuinely cares for each other here, it's a great place.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
^^This
You too dignin?
People here are not offering anything to posters that say they have suicidal thoughts. They are deflecting the confession.
I think the AMT should be a place where people feel free and welcome to talk about some of their more darker thoughts.
And right from the very start everyone has been encouraging the OP to talk to a professional, which OP said they would. It may not be a perfect system, but it works.
I think everyone, regardless of their political affiliation genuinely cares for each other here, it's a great place.
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
Stop with this dangerous quackery.
You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying. What part of 'everyone has advised him to discuss this with doctors and his therapist' aren't you understanding? Not to mention the OP saying things like, "thanks, I will discuss what you just said with my doctor"?? Aside from your part in it, it seemed like a helpful discussion.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
Stop with this dangerous quackery.
You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying. What part of 'everyone has advised him to discuss this with doctors and his therapist' aren't you understanding? Not to mention the OP saying things like, "thanks, I will discuss what you just said with my doctor"?? Aside from your part in it, it seemed like a helpful discussion.
I am ignoring everything you are saying because welcoming people to share their suicidal thoughts they are having is ripe with fallacy.
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Poetry is a great escape. A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Poetry is a great escape. A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
Argh. Seems like you're deliberately ignoring what you choose, yet so many comments have addressed most of yours. Can't argue with - let alone discuss - that.
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Poetry is a great escape. A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
Argh. Seems like you're deliberately ignoring what you choose, yet so many comments have addressed most of yours. Can't argue with - let alone discuss - that.
Thank you for not arguing the point that suicidal thoughts are not to be spread at random.
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
Stop with this dangerous quackery.
You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying. What part of 'everyone has advised him to discuss this with doctors and his therapist' aren't you understanding? Not to mention the OP saying things like, "thanks, I will discuss what you just said with my doctor"?? Aside from your part in it, it seemed like a helpful discussion.
I am ignoring everything you are saying because welcoming people to share their suicidal thoughts they are having is ripe with fallacy.
I am seriously not trying to piss you off or anything - just being straightforward.... but are you high or what?? You're not being very logical here.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
Stop with this dangerous quackery.
You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying. What part of 'everyone has advised him to discuss this with doctors and his therapist' aren't you understanding? Not to mention the OP saying things like, "thanks, I will discuss what you just said with my doctor"?? Aside from your part in it, it seemed like a helpful discussion.
I am ignoring everything you are saying because welcoming people to share their suicidal thoughts they are having is ripe with fallacy.
I am seriously not trying to piss you off or anything - just being straightforward.... but are you high or what?? You're not being very logical here.
You are not pissing me off. Don't do drugs and I sometimes drink.
I hope the OP knows she and anyone else needing to is welcome to speak here anytime if it helps in some way, despite the seeming discouragement to do so.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
^^This
You too dignin?
People here are not offering anything to posters that say they have suicidal thoughts. They are deflecting the confession.
No. You are one if those people that seem to think that you are just right.. And therefore everyone else is wrong.. You came in here with this high and mighty.. I'm gonna save this person with Ju assinine threats, and that will make me look good, attitude. You are not even attempting to learn anything from this.. You just insist that you are right. I may not be a Psychatrist, or a human psychologist, but I HAVE been dealin with the stresses and rigors of severely complex Bo Polar disorder combined with Compkex PTSD nearly ALLLLLLLLLLLLL my life.. And never ONCE, has any of my psychiatrists or psychologists EVER said don't share your suicidal thoughts or feelings, only call 911. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! I have been under psychiatric care since I was FOUR!!! And never once have I heard a doctor or any other mental health professional say what you are saying. Ofrenreadibg's Google search is exactly EXACTLY what they have always told me.. Because honestly, thoughts of suicide and attempts at suicide are NOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTT the same thing. More often than not???? Suicidal thoughts are just a mode of moving through the depression. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, and I'm stealing your words as to how I've reached that conclusion..
You ARE NOT A DOCTOR, and you have obviously never dealt with people that suffer from Depression!!
How dare you threaten people that are reaching out for communicable comfort!! Quit being so dense!!
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Poetry is a great escape. A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
May I ask what your profession is, PJfanwillneverleave1? Are you in any way professionally equipped, to make such judgement calls? If you are, I would like to see your studies for the arguments you're making, and I would like to battle them with studies, out of well respected, psychological journeys, which prove that sharing with non professionals, and professionals is the most effective way of not acting out suicidal tendencies. Speaking as a professional myself, professionals are also just human beings, they also have human errors. Diagnosis are in one way or another all, based on a form of interpretation.
Besides many others in this thread had point it out to you, but I'll try it once again, HAVING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, ISN'T THE SAME, AS ACTING OUT THOSE THOUGHTS!!! In fact there is a huge difference between them. As the OP in her initial post wrote, I will not act on them, but who knows, if she didn't post this message and would only have stuck with those thoughts in her head, she might have ended up wanting to act on them, because, the feeling of being on your own with those thoughts, make it much more likely to act them out. Out of studies about this subject it appears that most people who actually commit suicide are the ones, which never spoke out!
I'm a therapist, but also an experience expert (EE) with having mentally difficulties (Yes, I know... all prejudices in one..., complex PTSD, and phases of depression are familiar to me). I know how important sharing with experience experts can be. Professionals do always have a professional distance, between themselves and their clients, which experience experts don't have. Therefore the advise of EE's can have more impact on a client than the words of an professional, because EE's know what you are going thought out of own experiences. This makes you feel your not alone in this world with the problems you're dealing with. This is the reason a lot of therapies are group therapies, in which clients can learn and reflect on the other clients, the effectiveness of those therapies can be much bigger , because of the contact between EE's.
My question to you, PJfanwillneverleave1, is...Why are you acting out in the way you do, regarding to this subject? What is the story behind your rage? It sounds a lot like fear to me...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Dark thoughts on a public forum may be misconstrued.
I don't know what this means, but you should check out the poetry forum once in awhile if you want dark thoughts. Notify the authorities!
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
Poetry is a great escape. A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
May I ask what your profession is, PJfanwillneverleave1? Are you in any way professionally equipped, to make such judgement calls? If you are, I would like to see your studies for the arguments you're making, and I would like to battle them with studies, out of well respected, psychological journeys, which prove that sharing with non professionals, and professionals is the most effective way of not acting out suicidal tendencies. Speaking as a professional myself, professionals are also just human beings, they also have human errors. Diagnosis are in one way or another all, based on a form of interpretation.
Besides many others in this thread had point it out to you, but I'll try it once again, HAVING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, ISN'T THE SAME, AS ACTING OUT THOSE THOUGHTS!!! In fact there is a huge difference between them. As the OP in her initial post wrote, I will not act on them, but who knows, if she didn't post this message and would only have stuck with those thoughts in her head, she might have ended up wanting to act on them, because, the feeling of being on your own with those thoughts, make it much more likely to act them out. Out of studies about this subject it appears that most people who actually commit suicide are the ones, which never spoke out!
I'm a therapist, but also an experience expert (EE) with having mentally difficulties (Yes, I know... all prejudices in one..., complex PTSD, and phases of depression are familiar to me). I know how important sharing with experience experts can be. Professionals do always have a professional distance, between themselves and their clients, which experience experts don't have. Therefore the advise of EE's can have more impact on a client than the words of an professional, because EE's know what you are going thought out of own experiences. This makes you feel your not alone in this world with the problems you're dealing with. This is the reason a lot of therapies are group therapies, in which clients can learn and reflect on the other clients, the effectiveness of those therapies can be much bigger , because of the contact between EE's.
My question to you, PJfanwillneverleave1, is...Why are you acting out in the way you do, regarding to this subject? What is the story behind your rage? It sounds a lot like fear to me...
You can't prove what you are saying is real. Anyone can post on here and say they are a therapist.
edit- There is no rage by me. And to make a sweeping judgment call as saying it is fear makes you an inept therapist if not a quack because you are wrong.
Okay fine with me, in professional terms we call this, delusional... What do you need a copy of my licence, no problem?
But still, you didn't answer my questions... What is your profession? Are you scared? the more you avoid answering those questions, the more you prove me right!
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Okay fine with me, in professional terms we call this, delusional...
You make incorrect online diagnosis of people. Stay far away from me and even further away from people with suicidal thoughts. Quackery is dangerous.
I don't have any intent to diagnose anyone here, especially not you... I make comments on your rage, if you misinterped this for a diagnosis you are seriously misinformed, and very dangerous yourself...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Okay fine with me, in professional terms we call this, delusional...
You make incorrect online diagnosis of people. Stay far away from me and even further away from people with suicidal thoughts. Quackery is dangerous.
I don't have any intent to diagnose anyone here, especially not you... I make comments on your rage, if you misinterped this for a diagnosis you are seriously misinformed, and very dangerous yourself...
There is no rage. You are wrong. After your professional opinion of me having rage it is only logical that the next step would from you would be to profess a diagnosis.
Okay fine with me, in professional terms we call this, delusional... What do you need a copy of my licence, no problem?
But still, you didn't answer my questions... What is your profession? Are you scared? the more you avoid answering those questions, the more you prove me right!
I am a professional debater/myth buster. What would I be scared of? What am I proving to be right? Quack
Okay fine with me, in professional terms we call this, delusional... What do you need a copy of my licence, no problem?
But still, you didn't answer my questions... What is your profession? Are you scared? the more you avoid answering those questions, the more you prove me right!
I am a professional debater/myth buster. What would I be scared of? What am I proving to be right? Quack
Interesting... For one, a good diagnosis is never formed on statements put out on a internet forum only... Because out on the net, you're missing 90% of all communication, which is non-verbal.
Interesting you claim to be a myth buster... because, several of your statements are seen as myths by healthcare workers around the world...
I don't know what you are scared of, that's why I ask you, I can't answer this question only you can...
Most people who avoid answering questions are afraid to be busted if they do, so my assumption (YES, it subjective, I admit) is that you are scared your argumentation has flaws in it.
Another observation of mine is, you ignore well-argued opinions, which isn't something a professional debater in my opinion should ever do to win an argument. Name calling doesn't win them either, BTW. But if you need to do it, for your own self-esteem, feel free to do so...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
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Quackery.
Really, no one is playing the "I'm not a doctor but I play one on the internet" card here. Just some people genuinely offering what they can at the time.
People here are not offering anything to posters that say they have suicidal thoughts.
They are deflecting the confession.
And right from the very start everyone has been encouraging the OP to talk to a professional, which OP said they would. It may not be a perfect system, but it works.
I think everyone, regardless of their political affiliation genuinely cares for each other here, it's a great place.
Aside from your part in it, it seemed like a helpful discussion.
People need release, feedback, interaction, perspective.
I don't discount the need and benefits of professional help when in the darkest place, but it seems like you've donned blinders about much discussed in this thread, and refuse to take them off.
A random thread posting about having suicidal thoughts may be a final escape for them.
Don't do drugs and I sometimes drink.
You ARE NOT A DOCTOR, and you have obviously never dealt with people that suffer from
Depression!!
How dare you threaten people that are reaching out for communicable comfort!! Quit being so dense!!
Besides many others in this thread had point it out to you, but I'll try it once again, HAVING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, ISN'T THE SAME, AS ACTING OUT THOSE THOUGHTS!!! In fact there is a huge difference between them. As the OP in her initial post wrote, I will not act on them, but who knows, if she didn't post this message and would only have stuck with those thoughts in her head, she might have ended up wanting to act on them, because, the feeling of being on your own with those thoughts, make it much more likely to act them out. Out of studies about this subject it appears that most people who actually commit suicide are the ones, which never spoke out!
I'm a therapist, but also an experience expert (EE) with having mentally difficulties (Yes, I know... all prejudices in one..., complex PTSD, and phases of depression are familiar to me). I know how important sharing with experience experts can be. Professionals do always have a professional distance, between themselves and their clients, which experience experts don't have. Therefore the advise of EE's can have more impact on a client than the words of an professional, because EE's know what you are going thought out of own experiences. This makes you feel your not alone in this world with the problems you're dealing with. This is the reason a lot of therapies are group therapies, in which clients can learn and reflect on the other clients, the effectiveness of those therapies can be much bigger , because of the contact between EE's.
My question to you, PJfanwillneverleave1, is...Why are you acting out in the way you do, regarding to this subject? What is the story behind your rage? It sounds a lot like fear to me...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Anyone can post on here and say they are a therapist.
edit- There is no rage by me.
And to make a sweeping judgment call as saying it is fear makes you an inept therapist if not a quack because you are wrong.
But still, you didn't answer my questions... What is your profession? Are you scared? the more you avoid answering those questions, the more you prove me right!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Stay far away from me and even further away from people with suicidal thoughts.
Quackery is dangerous.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
After your professional opinion of me having rage it is only logical that the next step would from you would be to profess a diagnosis.
What would I be scared of?
What am I proving to be right?
Quack
For one, a good diagnosis is never formed on statements put out on a internet forum only... Because out on the net, you're missing 90% of all communication, which is non-verbal.
Interesting you claim to be a myth buster... because, several of your statements are seen as myths by healthcare workers around the world...
I don't know what you are scared of, that's why I ask you, I can't answer this question only you can...
Most people who avoid answering questions are afraid to be busted if they do, so my assumption (YES, it subjective, I admit) is that you are scared your argumentation has flaws in it.
Another observation of mine is, you ignore well-argued opinions, which isn't something a professional debater in my opinion should ever do to win an argument. Name calling doesn't win them either, BTW. But if you need to do it, for your own self-esteem, feel free to do so...
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee