And again.. The mods have no more power over the situation than you!! I agree whole heartedly with Hugh on this.. He is 100% right.
Yes they do. They can call the police/hospital and give their name, address etc.
People are bringing up that they are having suicidal thoughts. They need immediate physical help. 911
If people called 911 with every suicidal thought they had, 911 would cease to function. Some people struggle with suicidal thoughts for days, weeks, years, every day. That doesn't actually necessarily mean that they are about to kill themselves. Most people with a suicidal thought never try it. It's okay to reach out online (this person was more asking for advice about antidepressants anyway!). Of course everyone should seek out as much help as they can. Talking to other who might understand or have some knowledge is one of the options available to them. The OP is also seeing a therapist, has a prescription, and said he was discussing this with doctors. Talking to us here is just another way that he's trying to help himself. I really don't understand how you're not in support of that. The OP also didn't threaten suicide here. I would agree that is someone comes here and actually says they're going to commit suicide, we all need to jump into action the best we can. But OP actually stated that while he has thoughts about it, he couldn't do that to his son, which to me is him saying he specifically plans NOT to make an attempt.
well said.
This is not well said at all. This is pure quack advice and is dangerous. None of you are professionals to make a diagnosis that they won't commit suicide.
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
If anyone is off-base it is someone saying they have suicidal thoughts. That should not be met with non-professional advice.
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
If anyone is off-base it is someone saying they have suicidal thoughts. That should not be met with non-professional advice.
so this is what you say if a friend confides in you they are having suicidal thoughts?
pjfanwillneverleave: "shut up! I don't want to hear it! go seek help!"
no one is claiming to be a pro. only an ear. and giving advice to talk to their doctor. this is how empathetic humans operate.
as someone who has suffered from mental illness and suicidal thoughts for nearly 20 years, I'm glad no one I have ever confided in has ever taken your approach. it's robotic and completely devoid of any humanity.
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
If anyone is off-base it is someone saying they have suicidal thoughts. That should not be met with non-professional advice.
so this is what you say if a friend confides in you they are having suicidal thoughts?
pjfanwillneverleave: "shut up! I don't want to hear it! go seek help!"
no one is claiming to be a pro. only an ear. and giving advice to talk to their doctor. this is how empathetic humans operate.
as someone who has suffered from mental illness and suicidal thoughts for nearly 20 years, I'm glad no one I have ever confided in has ever taken your approach. it's robotic and completely devoid of any humanity.
My humanity is providing an immediate professional interference to people with such thoughts.
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
If anyone is off-base it is someone saying they have suicidal thoughts. That should not be met with non-professional advice.
so this is what you say if a friend confides in you they are having suicidal thoughts?
pjfanwillneverleave: "shut up! I don't want to hear it! go seek help!"
no one is claiming to be a pro. only an ear. and giving advice to talk to their doctor. this is how empathetic humans operate.
as someone who has suffered from mental illness and suicidal thoughts for nearly 20 years, I'm glad no one I have ever confided in has ever taken your approach. it's robotic and completely devoid of any humanity.
My humanity is providing an immediate professional interference to people with such thoughts.
so next time your neighbour's house is on fire, by all means tell them to call the fire department, and even in the meantime, that you are not able to help them.
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Wtf are you talking about? I think every single person here just gave some opinions, shared some knowledge, lent some support, and wrapped it up by reiterating to the OP that he needs to talk about it with his therapist and doctor. I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
And every persons advice is not professional. This "amateur diagnosis and support is extremely dangerous"
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
As far as I know, no ones advice here is professional. But I don't think the OP was looking for professional opinions. I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
If anyone is off-base it is someone saying they have suicidal thoughts. That should not be met with non-professional advice.
so this is what you say if a friend confides in you they are having suicidal thoughts?
pjfanwillneverleave: "shut up! I don't want to hear it! go seek help!"
no one is claiming to be a pro. only an ear. and giving advice to talk to their doctor. this is how empathetic humans operate.
as someone who has suffered from mental illness and suicidal thoughts for nearly 20 years, I'm glad no one I have ever confided in has ever taken your approach. it's robotic and completely devoid of any humanity.
My humanity is providing an immediate professional interference to people with such thoughts.
so next time your neighbour's house is on fire, by all means tell them to call the fire department, and even in the meantime, that you are not able to help them.
Why would I do that? That is an odd request for me to do.
Suicide is a very serious thing and we don't have the training or knowledge to help unless someone is professionally trained on train which may be the case I do t know.
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
That is a pretty fucked up opinion, sorry. I think you are just lacking in understanding when it comes to depression and suicidal thoughts. Actually I don't think so. I know so. And again, the person in question IS seeing professional help. You keep ignoring that. But what you call unprofessional help is ALSO very helpful to people with depression. Having the professional help and the personal/personable help together is absolutely best. Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
Post edited by PJ_Soul on
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
But people are allowed to both talk to professionals, and share with friends, family, or those who may have been through the same thing, right?? Saying that people who are struggling with severe depression should ONLY be talking to professionals... well, honestly, I think that if someone with severe depression actually took that advice, their condition would get worse, not better.
When a condition turns into having suicidal thoughts it is beyond unprofessional help.
Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
You sure are full up with snarkiness on this topic, PJfan, I'll grant you that. I gather speed....
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
You sure are full up with snarkiness on this topic, PJfan, I'll grant you that. I gather speed....
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this one is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
So just out of interest I googled "help with suicidal thoughts". As expected, a whole host of resources came up, so I looked through a couple. What do you know, this phrase sticks out as being potentially relevant here:
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself: Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
Your googled advice on this is not welcome anywhere.
Trolling a thread like this is ridiculous. Perhaps you should look into some professional help of your own.
Are you being sarcastic? Your first post in this thread is an attack?
Comments
This is pure quack advice and is dangerous.
None of you are professionals to make a diagnosis that they won't commit suicide.
I think you're really off-base here in the way you're viewing the entire conversation.
Take a walk, read a book, listen to music, do some exercise?
edit - I am not off-base at all considering the OP understood the message I was conveying.
I do still think you're off-base. From what I gather, the OP got some ideas here and will discuss further with professionals. This seems like a successful thread (aside from the "shut it down" posts).
pjfanwillneverleave: "shut up! I don't want to hear it! go seek help!"
no one is claiming to be a pro. only an ear. and giving advice to talk to their doctor. this is how empathetic humans operate.
as someone who has suffered from mental illness and suicidal thoughts for nearly 20 years, I'm glad no one I have ever confided in has ever taken your approach. it's robotic and completely devoid of any humanity.
www.headstonesband.com
PJfan, I'm not sure you're appreciating just how helpful sharing and talking can be when it comes to depression.
www.headstonesband.com
www.headstonesband.com
That is an odd request for me to do.
And again, the person in question IS seeing professional help. You keep ignoring that. But what you call unprofessional help is ALSO very helpful to people with depression. Having the professional help and the personal/personable help together is absolutely best. Also, having suicidal thoughts is NOT necessarily the same as being suicidal, just so you know (I think I already said that and you already ignored it, but just thought I'd reiterate).
"Don’t keep these suicidal feelings to yourself:
Many of us have found that the first step to coping with suicidal thoughts and feelings is to share them with someone we trust. It may be a friend, a therapist, a member of the clergy, a teacher, a family doctor, a coach, or an experienced counselor at the end of a helpline. Find someone you trust and let them know how bad things are. Don’t let fear, shame, or embarrassment prevent you from seeking help. Just talking about how you got to this point in your life can release a lot of the pressure that’s building up and help you find a way to cope."
The link is here, for those who want to look further. There is a lot of good sense on this page.
http://www.helpguide.org/articles/suicide-prevention/suicide-help-dealing-with-your-suicidal-thoughts-and-feelings.htm
No to belabour the point, but they are clear that sharing these feelings is important, and it doesn't necessarily matter who you share them with as long as it is someone you feel comfortable talking to. Yes, finding a doctor or therapist is important, and yes, if someone is thinking of acting then it is an emergency. Finding another way to communicate doesn't replace this, it complements it.
My side mirror says objects are closer than they may appear.
Your first post in this thread is an attack?