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Thoughts_Arrive

I think OP is Original Poster.
Take care of yourself pickupyourwill.
Definitely see your GP/Psychiatrist and call your local suicide prevention hotline if things get worse.

PJfanwillneverleave1

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

whispering hands

In a way I agree.. But that's awful self righteous of you to take that stance! Sometimes this place i
IS that person's lifeline.. This IS their call for help.. So now you may just have CAUSED a suicide in that ONE post, as, for fear of being flagged, that person may never reach out for help. Way to go!! Good on you, eh?

You can't put that on someone. Not everyone communicates the same way. I respond to each and every person that posts about suicidal thoughts, because I KNOW that they are at least reaching out.. And if you can keep them
In the volley, then they are living, even if it is just to cry out about their fears, and sufferages. But at least they ARE reaching out..

PJfanwillneverleave1

whispering hands said:

In a way I agree.. But that's awful self righteous of you to take that stance! Sometimes this place i
IS that person's lifeline.. This IS their call for help.. So now you may just have CAUSED a suicide in that ONE post, as, for fear of being flagged, that person may never reach out for help. Way to go!! Good on you, eh?

You can't put that on someone. Not everyone communicates the same way. I respond to each and every person that posts about suicidal thoughts, because I KNOW that they are at least reaching out.. And if you can keep them
In the volley, then they are living, even if it is just to cry out about their fears, and sufferages. But at least they ARE reaching out..

Nope.
I disagree.
Reach out in private or to the proper professionals that can offer real time help.

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

whispering hands

Besides, you have NO clue what that person is going through.. Maybe they feel they CAN'T reach out to those around them, maybe they just want to know they are not alone. I agree it's a heavy subject, but many times I wanted to end my life during the 20 years I have been posting here.. Godfather knows about it, as he was the reason I got up everyday, to rebuttals his quest to convince me that life got better. There have been many posters here that have talked me down off the edge.. So that's pretty unfair to tell people not to post those fears or feelings on here.. Maybe.. Maybe it's their only source of light.. Maybe they are reaching out INTHE hopes that somebody.. ANYBODY cares..

PJfanwillneverleave1

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

hedonist

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

Because given that it's an online forum and we don't have physical access to someone, and it's been brought up here, it's how the response typically goes. I'd imagine the OP or others in similar situations have been reached out to via pm's by other members.

What's the point of flagging? Are the mods to take responsibility for that poster?

Anyway, the OP said he was seeing his doc this week. To respond to your last question, what's so hard to understand about someone needing - asking for and receiving - some support until then?

whispering hands

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

So.. You cause shit for the person by flagging their posts.. What the fuck are the mods going to do?? They can't do anything more than what we're in here doing, advising that the person seek help. So how does threatening them
With that make it so great an option? The mods can't do anything more than us, honestly, so putting that out there, just tells people suffering like this that it's not ok to reach out.. For fear of being dealt with whatever they take that as.. The mods are not trained to deal with this sort of shit.. Shit, they're BARELY taught IT.. So how is flagging a post helping anyone?

PJfanwillneverleave1

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

Because given that it's an online forum and we don't have physical access to someone, and it's been brought up here, it's how the response typically goes. I'd imagine the OP or others in similar situations have been reached out to via pm's by other members.

What's the point of flagging? Are the mods to take responsibility for that poster?

Anyway, the OP said he was seeing his doc this week. To respond to your last question, what's so hard to understand about someone needing - asking for and receiving - some support until then?

Someone needs to take responsibility.

This is not directed only to the OP.

This is a public/all ages forum. When random threads that get started about people having suicidal thoughts I know it is a call for help.

And as I said in my post - anyone else thinking about posting should not,
go immediately to the ER or call the police and get help.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

it's hard to understand because you are attempting to mute those who need a voice. sometimes people reach out, and that reaching out online is what saves them that day.

just this attitude you have represented here might cause some to not post here at all, which can be a catalyst for catastrophe.

it's irresponsible. anyone that has these thoughts, feel free to pm me anytime. I may not be a professional, but I'm an ear.

don't listen to people who want to shut you up.

PJfanwillneverleave1

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

it's hard to understand because you are attempting to mute those who need a voice. sometimes people reach out, and that reaching out online is what saves them that day.

just this attitude you have represented here might cause some to not post here at all, which can be a catalyst for catastrophe.

it's irresponsible. anyone that has these thoughts, feel free to pm me anytime. I may not be a professional, but I'm an ear.

don't listen to people who want to shut you up.

Yes.
PM is a better option.
I am not muting anyone.
I am giving an option how to receive help immediately.

HughFreakingDillon

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

it's hard to understand because you are attempting to mute those who need a voice. sometimes people reach out, and that reaching out online is what saves them that day.

just this attitude you have represented here might cause some to not post here at all, which can be a catalyst for catastrophe.

it's irresponsible. anyone that has these thoughts, feel free to pm me anytime. I may not be a professional, but I'm an ear.

don't listen to people who want to shut you up.

Yes.
PM is a better option.
I am not muting anyone.
I am giving an option how to receive help immediately.

that's not an option. it's a detour that's not available to everyone. don't read it if you it makes you uncomfortable. i am sure the mods would have enough sense to ignore your flag.

PJfanwillneverleave1

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

To anyone else reading this thread and want to post about suicidal thoughts they are having -
please don't.

Go get help and express what you're feeling to a Doctor. People that can actually help.
Not people that just post advice in response.

When someone confides/posts to people that they're having suicidal thoughts we are morally obliged to help or report to the proper people. If we don't and the person commits suicide then it is on us (conscience) for at least not passing this info on.

Get help and stop posting about having suicidal thoughts.

I would further state that I will flag posts with people starting threads about having suicidal thoughts.

I am no moderator but I feel this forum is not for people to drop something as heavy as having suicidal thoughts on an all ages forum.

Really? This person has said they're seeking out assistance, was looking for input from others familiar with the medication being taken and its effects. Couldn't get an appointment till this week, I believe.

If, in the interim, something I / we can say, whether through experience or simple good words and thoughts, as a means to help until he CAN get to his doctor?

I've no qualms with that.

I'm really surprised by your post, PJfan. Heavy shit is part of life, no? This forum addresses said heavy shit.

To flag this and similar posts? Like bizarro world.

I want to flag posts not to get the Posters in shit. Just to pass on the call for help to a higher level.
If someone came up to me friend or not and told me they are having suicidal thoughts for whatever reason (meds, mouring , etc) you don't just give advice. You bring them to police, hospital or anyone else that can physically help them immediately. You don't tell them to go see a doctor when you can. They need a doctor/help immediately.
What is so hard to understand about this?

it's hard to understand because you are attempting to mute those who need a voice. sometimes people reach out, and that reaching out online is what saves them that day.

just this attitude you have represented here might cause some to not post here at all, which can be a catalyst for catastrophe.

it's irresponsible. anyone that has these thoughts, feel free to pm me anytime. I may not be a professional, but I'm an ear.

don't listen to people who want to shut you up.

Yes.
PM is a better option.
I am not muting anyone.
I am giving an option how to receive help immediately.

that's not an option. it's a detour that's not available to everyone. don't read it if you it makes you uncomfortable. i am sure the mods would have enough sense to ignore your flag.

It is an option - always.
911 is always, always an option.
Don't read it? When a thread is titled Kurt Cobain I will click and read, don't know about you.
Again- it is not to flag and get the poster in "trouble"

whispering hands

And again.. The mods have no more power over the situation than you!! I agree whole heartedly with Hugh on this.. He is 100% right.

PJfanwillneverleave1

whispering hands said:

And again.. The mods have no more power over the situation than you!! I agree whole heartedly with Hugh on this.. He is 100% right.

Yes they do. They can call the police/hospital and give their name, address etc.

People are bringing up that they are having suicidal thoughts.
They need immediate physical help.
911

whispering hands

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

whispering hands said:

And again.. The mods have no more power over the situation than you!! I agree whole heartedly with Hugh on this.. He is 100% right.

Yes they do. They can call the police/hospital and give their name, address etc.

People are bringing up that they are having suicidal thoughts.
They need immediate physical help.
911

Did you know they can get sued for that????!

PJfanwillneverleave1

whispering hands said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

whispering hands said:

And again.. The mods have no more power over the situation than you!! I agree whole heartedly with Hugh on this.. He is 100% right.

Yes they do. They can call the police/hospital and give their name, address etc.

People are bringing up that they are having suicidal thoughts.
They need immediate physical help.
911

Did you know they can get sued for that????!

If that is true - which I don't think it is.
Well then I revert to my statement to call 911
That is always, always, always an immediate response to get the help you need.

Dirtie_Frank

Sued for what?

HughFreakingDillon

Dirtie_Frank said:

Sued for what?

breach of confidentiality of information, i would assume.