Baltimore

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

This thread a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug.

Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky.

Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves

Think of the human condition along with some history of human behavior, and whites as well, and you will not only understand "Baltimore" but maybe think what we can do as humans to prevent situations such as this.

But alas stroking ones insecurities is easier and I expect from observing human behavior that the stroking and stroking each other will continue. Just get your hanky and windex before hand.

I disagree with you. I'm not lucky. I worked hard for what I have. Call it what you want, but I can say with 100% certainty that I will not EVER feel the need to destroy my local pharmacy if someone I know is killed. Grow up.

Edit: The grow up comment is intended for the criminals that are doing the rioting, not anyone here.

Oh you worked hard? That's amazing, you are just like 90% of the population! Did you work hard to overcome crowded schools with apathetic teachers and funds so low there were no textbooks? Did you work hard to catch up to the 3rd graders in middle class schools which were already years ahead of you? Did you work hard to stay out of trouble in a neighborhood filled with drugs and violence, where only the strong survive? Did you work hard to avoid being harassed by police for being a darker hue than the Brady Bunch?
Or did you just work hard like everyone else who was lucky not to be born in poverty?

rgambs

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

No, they are going to say we should have empathy and understanding for the looters. Sorry, I have empathy for the folks who woke up this morning without a job because their shop burned. Or without a car because that burned.

Did people make off the wall comments in the thread? Sure. Did it go both ways? Yep.

I have empathy for the folks who woke up today without a family member because the police killed him while he was in custody.

The riots are the fever. The situation between blacks and police in America is the flu. You can fight the fever all you want, but preventing the flu is the only real solution.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

This thread a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug.

Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky.

Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves

Think of the human condition along with some history of human behavior, and whites as well, and you will not only understand "Baltimore" but maybe think what we can do as humans to prevent situations such as this.

But alas stroking ones insecurities is easier and I expect from observing human behavior that the stroking and stroking each other will continue. Just get your hanky and windex before hand.

I disagree with you. I'm not lucky. I worked hard for what I have. Call it what you want, but I can say with 100% certainty that I will not EVER feel the need to destroy my local pharmacy if someone I know is killed. Grow up.

Edit: The grow up comment is intended for the criminals that are doing the rioting, not anyone here.

Oh you worked hard? That's amazing, you are just like 90% of the population! Did you work hard to overcome crowded schools with apathetic teachers and funds so low there were no textbooks? Did you work hard to catch up to the 3rd graders in middle class schools which were already years ahead of you? Did you work hard to stay out of trouble in a neighborhood filled with drugs and violence, where only the strong survive? Did you work hard to avoid being harassed by police for being a darker hue than the Brady Bunch?
Or did you just work hard like everyone else who was lucky not to be born in poverty?

I just don't know why people here think that black people are the only ones that grow up poor. It amazes me.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

To make it clear, I have no problem with the subject of the thread. It's the comments within it that are so over the top with outrage that I find interesting.

I find the ones justifying the riot infinitely more interesting.

dignin

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

No, they are going to say we should have empathy and understanding for the looters. Sorry, I have empathy for the folks who woke up this morning without a job because their shop burned. Or without a car because that burned.

Did people make off the wall comments in the thread? Sure. Did it go both ways? Yep.

There can be middle ground.

Do I condone the rioting? No, I've witnessed a riot first hand and I was disgusted. Can I empathize with them, yes, I can try. That's how we can begin to find solutions to these problems.

And I think everyone here empathizes with the shop owners and others who had their property destroyed, that's a no brainer.

Off the wall comments......for sure, you find that in every thread.

JimmyV

rgambs said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

No, they are going to say we should have empathy and understanding for the looters. Sorry, I have empathy for the folks who woke up this morning without a job because their shop burned. Or without a car because that burned.

Did people make off the wall comments in the thread? Sure. Did it go both ways? Yep.

I have empathy for the folks who woke up today without a family member because the police killed him while he was in custody.

The riots are the fever. The situation between blacks and police in America is the flu. You can fight the fever all you want, but preventing the flu is the only real solution.

That's the thing. That family is forgotten in this.

I like your comparison to the flu. However, what we saw last night wasn't a pitched battle between civilians and police. Instead it was looting, followed by police moving in, followed by looters moving to another location, followed by the police, again and again. That is just theft and destruction.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

It certainly seems like they are implying it.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

This thread a perfect example of whites living their lucky ass lives and looking down at the poor and weak and getting the superiority bug.

Again you aren't special. You aren't smarter. Your definitely not more aware or enlightened. Your just lucky.

Rather than looking at things and saying hmmm what the FK and why and how to change things you sit behind your keyboards in your safe little white neighborhoods and stroke yourselves

Think of the human condition along with some history of human behavior, and whites as well, and you will not only understand "Baltimore" but maybe think what we can do as humans to prevent situations such as this.

But alas stroking ones insecurities is easier and I expect from observing human behavior that the stroking and stroking each other will continue. Just get your hanky and windex before hand.

I disagree with you. I'm not lucky. I worked hard for what I have. Call it what you want, but I can say with 100% certainty that I will not EVER feel the need to destroy my local pharmacy if someone I know is killed. Grow up.

Edit: The grow up comment is intended for the criminals that are doing the rioting, not anyone here.

Oh you worked hard? That's amazing, you are just like 90% of the population! Did you work hard to overcome crowded schools with apathetic teachers and funds so low there were no textbooks? Did you work hard to catch up to the 3rd graders in middle class schools which were already years ahead of you? Did you work hard to stay out of trouble in a neighborhood filled with drugs and violence, where only the strong survive? Did you work hard to avoid being harassed by police for being a darker hue than the Brady Bunch?
Or did you just work hard like everyone else who was lucky not to be born in poverty?

I just don't know why people here think that black people are the only ones that grow up poor. It amazes me.

I grew up "poor". My school was the easternmost district considered to be "Appalachia". Being "poor" and white in a small town is so far ahead of being poor and black in the inner city it's ridiculous.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

To make it clear, I have no problem with the subject of the thread. It's the comments within it that are so over the top with outrage that I find interesting.

I find the ones justifying the riot infinitely more interesting.

Justifying and empathizing are completely different things.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

It certainly seems like they are implying it.

That's not what is happening at all, if you read it that way you do so because you choose to.

Dirtie_Frank

Best video of all from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16QY7xtCnw

Great Mother!!!

hedonist

Saw that earlier - I love it!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

To make it clear, I have no problem with the subject of the thread. It's the comments within it that are so over the top with outrage that I find interesting.

I find the ones justifying the riot infinitely more interesting.

Justifying and empathizing are completely different things.

I understand that.

Let's not be ultra selective with whom we choose to 'empathize' with then. We can explain every behavior, but doing so doesn't make the behavior any less deplorable when the behavior is deplorable. For the people lashing out at others outraged over rioting in Baltimore, be consistent: also lash out at people who express outrage for, say, the next pedophile to creep on to the MT- he was abused as a child.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

It certainly seems like they are implying it.

That's not what is happening at all, if you read it that way you do so because you choose to.

Perhaps. Or perhaps people need to construct their posts in such a way where such an implication doesn't jump off the page.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

To make it clear, I have no problem with the subject of the thread. It's the comments within it that are so over the top with outrage that I find interesting.

I find the ones justifying the riot infinitely more interesting.

Justifying and empathizing are completely different things.

I understand that.

Let's not be ultra selective with whom we choose to 'empathize' with then. We can explain every behavior, but doing so doesn't make the behavior any less deplorable when the behavior is deplorable. For the people lashing out at others outraged over rioting in Baltimore, be consistent: also lash out at people who express outrage for, say, the next pedophile to creep on to the MT- he was abused as a child.

I don't see people who loot and burn property on the same plain as child rapists.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

The failure for some here to not recognize the hypocrisy is interesting.

I can recognize what you're calling hypocrisy, but I would argue that it exists all over the board and we have all been guilty of it. We discuss variations of "The West" vs "Muslim Extremism" all the time, and Israel over and over again, and all of it is important. But did anyone start a thread about the university attacks in Kenya? I didn't see it if they did. The charge of hypocrisy is too selectively placed to not ring hollow here.

I agree, and I'm sure there is hypocrisy throughout the AMT on almost every subject, I'm sure I'm guilty of it often. You are more than welcome to call me out on my hypocrisy when you see it, I welcome it. So because I see it here and call it out makes it any less true?

Why must some get so defensive when they are called out on it?

Because I would argue selectively charging someone with something is doing so unfairly and, sometimes, dishonestly. Is hypocrisy truly the issue here, or is that some just don't like the discussion?

I would argue that just because someone is offended by being called out, it doesn't make it any less true.

I would also argue that the people who want a discussion are the ones who are pointing out that there may be other reasons for this community destroying itself than the typical circle jerk of "these criminal thugs need to go to jail". That adds nothing to the discussion, it's boring and tired.

No one is going to say that rioting and looting is good.

It certainly seems like they are implying it.

That's not what is happening at all, if you read it that way you do so because you choose to.

Perhaps. Or perhaps people need to construct their posts in such a way where such an implication doesn't jump off the page.

I don't think that's the case. Every time someone tries to understand the motivation behind a crime some people on here confuse empathy and trying to understand with justification and condoning.

Dirtie_Frank

How much of the blame falls on the mayor?

dignin

Dirtie_Frank said:

Best video of all from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16QY7xtCnw

Great Mother!!!

Yeah, mother of the year here. All mothers should punch their sons in the face repeatedly. Has a real Jerry Springer quality to it.

callen

Being challenged is healthy. Isn't that why we're here?

Dirtie_Frank

dignin said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Best video of all from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16QY7xtCnw

Great Mother!!!

Yeah, mother of the year here. All mothers should punch their sons in the face repeatedly. Has a real Jerry Springer quality to it.

I believe she is doing the right thing. Maybe if there were more parents involved in Baltimore there would be less rioting?