Meanwhile back in Israel

josevolution

EdsonNascimento said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nevermind. i am trying to watch the imbed on this forum. i can look it up on youtube on my phone. 

will watch it later when i have a bit more time.

Where you at big man?  Show yourself for what you are.

Go away, just a week ago you were calling Biden a old senile man today he’s your hero lol screw Israel they’ve been stomping Palestinians to death for years! What do you suppose Palestine do leave to where? Or do you want them exterminated? Please tell us your utopian plan for that region? 

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1393502209636192262?s=20

Spiritual_Chaos

Videogame site IGN adds palestine flag on website. I myself can't see it, I am being redirected to their "nordic" site.



Together with this tweet from last page:

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1393363274436157441?s=20

Maybe something you should do at pearljam.com @Sea @Kat ?

Spiritual_Chaos

Idris Elba:



seems like a better human being than Joe Biden:

Spiritual_Chaos

EdsonNascimento said:

Where all the rats at?  Cmon!!!!   Where you at anti semites!!! Speak up.   

If being critical of Isarel, means you are not only a "rat" but also an "anti semite". 

Then what are these people? LIke, in a sentence, or maybe two?

https://twitter.com/EmpireFiles/status/1393015740291162120?s=20

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1393344924943372288?s=20

gimmesometruth27

EdsonNascimento said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

nevermind. i am trying to watch the imbed on this forum. i can look it up on youtube on my phone. 

will watch it later when i have a bit more time.

Where you at big man?  Show yourself for what you are.

looks like i have my own MTG to ignore.

i'm flattered, but not interested, bud.

gimmesometruth27

never ceases to amaze me how certain posters just cannot grasp the concept that a person can be critical of israeli government/military policies and also not be anti-semitic.

gimmesometruth27

this is like me calling the edson person anti american because he hates biden and the democrats in charge of 2 of the 3 branches of the government.

or calling him anti-black if he has a blue lives matter bumper sticker.

or calling him anti-arab because he supports the slaughter of palestinians full stop.

it sometimes sucks having a brain that can see and grasp nuance.

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is like me calling the edson person anti american because he hates biden and the democrats in charge of 2 of the 3 branches of the government.

or calling him anti-black if he has a blue lives matter bumper sticker.

or calling him anti-arab because he supports the slaughter of palestinians full stop.

it sometimes sucks having a brain that can see and grasp nuance.

He is anti American,  and specifically anti- Constitution.  You cannot support Trump today and the Constitution.  They are fundamentally at odds 

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is like me calling the edson person anti american because he hates biden and the democrats in charge of 2 of the 3 branches of the government.

or calling him anti-black if he has a blue lives matter bumper sticker.

or calling him anti-arab because he supports the slaughter of palestinians full stop.

it sometimes sucks having a brain that can see and grasp nuance.

gimme Palestinians are a Semitic people too

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

this is like me calling the edson person anti american because he hates biden and the democrats in charge of 2 of the 3 branches of the government.

or calling him anti-black if he has a blue lives matter bumper sticker.

or calling him anti-arab because he supports the slaughter of palestinians full stop.

it sometimes sucks having a brain that can see and grasp nuance.

gimme Palestinians are a Semitic people too

true

mrussel1

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

benjs

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

Also add in that Netanyahu has an election he'd like to win. Antagonization and escalation are pretty common just before a Netanyahu election (of which, what are we up to now, six?)

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

I'm not even sure I agree with that.  When Isreal tries to take more settlements,  that is infuriating.  But at the same time,  the Iron Dome is needed to protect themselves from the rocket attacks.  When those come,  they are not precise or strategic. Whereas Palestine deliberately hides its artillery in residential areas,  hospitals,  etc. 

I know the 'both sides" is a joke but in this care,  there is blame to be shared. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

I'm not even sure I agree with that.  When Isreal tries to take more settlements,  that is infuriating.  But at the same time,  the Iron Dome is needed to protect themselves from the rocket attacks.  When those come,  they are not precise or strategic. Whereas Palestine deliberately hides its artillery in residential areas,  hospitals,  etc. 

I know the 'both sides" is a joke but in this care,  there is blame to be shared. 

and they have the means to pay for it.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

I'm not even sure I agree with that.  When Isreal tries to take more settlements,  that is infuriating.  But at the same time,  the Iron Dome is needed to protect themselves from the rocket attacks.  When those come,  they are not precise or strategic. Whereas Palestine deliberately hides its artillery in residential areas,  hospitals,  etc. 

I know the 'both sides" is a joke but in this care,  there is blame to be shared. 

then they have the means to pay for it. their gdp was/is in double digits?

If this is a budget argument,  that's fine.  But it isn't in my mind.  And the Jewish community is large and powerful in the US so I don't see that stopping.  The fact that we're sending them money is the least of my concerns,  honestly. 

benjs

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

I'm not even sure I agree with that.  When Isreal tries to take more settlements,  that is infuriating.  But at the same time,  the Iron Dome is needed to protect themselves from the rocket attacks.  When those come,  they are not precise or strategic. Whereas Palestine deliberately hides its artillery in residential areas,  hospitals,  etc. 

I know the 'both sides" is a joke but in this care,  there is blame to be shared. 

then they have the means to pay for it. their gdp was/is in double digits?

If this is a budget argument,  that's fine.  But it isn't in my mind.  And the Jewish community is large and powerful in the US so I don't see that stopping.  The fact that we're sending them money is the least of my concerns,  honestly. 

I feel the military support should be made conditional over the next few years, and should be contingent on demonstrable attempts to stabilize the region and not act in antagonistic ways like seizing additional settlement land.

Until power is threatened, power isn't ceded, and as such, Israel has no incentive to even seek peace as things stand. 

mrussel1

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

This conflict is a series of small skirmishes that have escalated. Add in that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes as payback for the series of recent Israeli strikes AND internal Palestinian political upheaval.  Remember Abbas just canceled elections again, as a political attack against Hamas. Abbas is now in year 16 of a four year term.  

There is no good guy and bad guy in this conflict.  It's all so sad. 

i saw an article/editorial last night from nbc finally saying we need to stop giving israel the $3.8 billion a year in military aid. the comments section was worse than the comments sections from my local newspapers and local tv news stations.

the lack of basic knowledge on this topic is really sad.

I'm not even sure I agree with that.  When Isreal tries to take more settlements,  that is infuriating.  But at the same time,  the Iron Dome is needed to protect themselves from the rocket attacks.  When those come,  they are not precise or strategic. Whereas Palestine deliberately hides its artillery in residential areas,  hospitals,  etc. 

I know the 'both sides" is a joke but in this care,  there is blame to be shared. 

then they have the means to pay for it. their gdp was/is in double digits?

If this is a budget argument,  that's fine.  But it isn't in my mind.  And the Jewish community is large and powerful in the US so I don't see that stopping.  The fact that we're sending them money is the least of my concerns,  honestly. 

I feel the military support should be made conditional over the next few years, and should be contingent on demonstrable attempts to stabilize the region and not act in antagonistic ways like seizing additional settlement land.

Until power is threatened, power isn't ceded, and as such, Israel has no incentive to even seek peace as things stand. 

Your last statement is true if Israel is dependent on our aid. I have no idea if that's the case or not.  I would be good with conditional support.  Something has to change.