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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,884
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,571
    No matter which side you take (because nowadays it seems imperative to pick a side), is it necessary to go around tearing down flyers of hostages takes by hammas? I don’t know if this is only happening around NYC but it seems like a disgusting act. 
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,384
    nicknyr15 said:
    No matter which side you take (because nowadays it seems imperative to pick a side), is it necessary to go around tearing down flyers of hostages takes by hammas? I don’t know if this is only happening around NYC but it seems like a disgusting act. 
    It is for sure.  
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,267
    mickeyrat said:
    Αre you have solved it??
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    mickeyrat said:
    Αre you have solved it??
    lol
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,693
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,267
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,350
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,267
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,693
    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    it's so disheartening that we've gotten to the point in society where we'll take a celebrity's point of view at face value as fact rather than those who are experts in their field. 

    I kinda wish I lived in the days gone by where scientists and philosophers and were the celebrities. When you have people ready to die for a reality show tv business man turned president, you know you've lost too many people. 
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  • brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    I’m not sure people are. Define “so many people.” Roger strikes me as an addled rock star trying to maintain relevancy. I hadn’t heard of his positions outside of this forum and I don’t know anyone talking about him and his positions.

    He’s got an opinion, so what? Now, if he starts influencing elected officials or has half a million people marching in solidarity through London, I’d be concerned.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,884
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  • Some democracy. Or is it occupation? And what was that about cleansing the West Bank of Palestinians again?

    Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank

    UMM AL-KHEIR, West Bank — After dark in the South Hebron Hills, parents lie awake, listening for the settlers.

    A crunch of wheels on the dusty road means it’s time to scoop their children closer, to tell them they are loved, that they will be safe. By the time the engine cuts, car doors slam and the footsteps get louder, another night of terror is in motion.

    In the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, residents described masked men in army uniforms overrunning their community last week. The men smashed residents’ cellphones so no one could document the beatings that followed.

    In nearby Susiya, five men in similar dress beat Ahmed Nawaja, 38, underneath his olive tree. His daughters cried, he said, as the attackers slammed their rifle butts down on his body.

    Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.


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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,350
    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    it's so disheartening that we've gotten to the point in society where we'll take a celebrity's point of view at face value as fact rather than those who are experts in their field. 

    I kinda wish I lived in the days gone by where scientists and philosophers and were the celebrities. When you have people ready to die for a reality show tv business man turned president, you know you've lost too many people. 

    If you run across a time machine, please let me know!

    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    I’m not sure people are. Define “so many people.” Roger strikes me as an addled rock star trying to maintain relevancy. I hadn’t heard of his positions outside of this forum and I don’t know anyone talking about him and his positions.

    He’s got an opinion, so what? Now, if he starts influencing elected officials or has half a million people marching in solidarity through London, I’d be concerned.

    The way I see it, most news sources print what people want to read.  That's why so many people read or listen to everything from MSNBC to NY Times to Fox News instead to Yahoo News to Facebook to AP or Reuters. I look at a lot of the former to get a picture of where people's heads are at, and the latter two to try to get closer to what is going on.  So yeah, more people are going to read what some aging rock star says.  You and I might not care or buy it, but believe me, that kind of reporting is out there big time and a lot of people get their "information" from what are mostly the more sketchy sources (and all sources of news are a least a little bit sketchy, and many a lot more so).
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 21,994
    Some democracy. Or is it occupation? And what was that about cleansing the West Bank of Palestinians again?

    Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank

    UMM AL-KHEIR, West Bank — After dark in the South Hebron Hills, parents lie awake, listening for the settlers.

    A crunch of wheels on the dusty road means it’s time to scoop their children closer, to tell them they are loved, that they will be safe. By the time the engine cuts, car doors slam and the footsteps get louder, another night of terror is in motion.

    In the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, residents described masked men in army uniforms overrunning their community last week. The men smashed residents’ cellphones so no one could document the beatings that followed.

    In nearby Susiya, five men in similar dress beat Ahmed Nawaja, 38, underneath his olive tree. His daughters cried, he said, as the attackers slammed their rifle butts down on his body.

    Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.


    this has been going on for years. the settlement expansion, and what that brings, is basically the root of what is motivating hamas.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,477
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    it's so disheartening that we've gotten to the point in society where we'll take a celebrity's point of view at face value as fact rather than those who are experts in their field. 

    I kinda wish I lived in the days gone by where scientists and philosophers and were the celebrities. When you have people ready to die for a reality show tv business man turned president, you know you've lost too many people. 

    If you run across a time machine, please let me know!

    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    I’m not sure people are. Define “so many people.” Roger strikes me as an addled rock star trying to maintain relevancy. I hadn’t heard of his positions outside of this forum and I don’t know anyone talking about him and his positions.

    He’s got an opinion, so what? Now, if he starts influencing elected officials or has half a million people marching in solidarity through London, I’d be concerned.

    The way I see it, most news sources print what people want to read.  That's why so many people read or listen to everything from MSNBC to NY Times to Fox News instead to Yahoo News to Facebook to AP or Reuters. I look at a lot of the former to get a picture of where people's heads are at, and the latter two to try to get closer to what is going on.  So yeah, more people are going to read what some aging rock star says.  You and I might not care or buy it, but believe me, that kind of reporting is out there big time and a lot of people get their "information" from what are mostly the more sketchy sources (and all sources of news are a least a little bit sketchy, and many a lot more so).
    Aging?  He's prime time, baby.  In America we would consider him the right age for President, if only he'd been born here!  
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  • Its not only in Israel. And a sentiment perhaps shared here seeing how I never received an answer to my same question a week or two ago.

    Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican

    Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die.

    The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage.

    In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”

    “All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply.

    Nixon acknowledged the interruption and said: “One of my colleagues just said, ‘All of them.’ Wow.”

    The Florida state house later voted 104-2 to reject Nixon’s resolution.

    Salzman’s office did not respond to a request for comment.

    Related: News outlets deny claims they had prior knowledge of Hamas attack on Israel

    The Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair-Florida), the US’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, said in a statement that Salzman’s remarks were a “chilling call for genocide” and a “direct result of decades of dehumanization of the Palestinian people by advocates of Israeli apartheid and their eager enablers in government and the media”.

    The news comes on the heels of the censure of the Michigan congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American in the US Congress, after Tlaib echoed a popular rallying cry for Palestine that some have called antisemitic but others say is a call for Palestinian civil rights.

    The censure resolution, which was supported by 22 Democrats, punishes Tlaib for allegedly “calling for the destruction of the state of Israel” and “promoting false narratives” about the 7 October attack by Hamas on Israel.

    In Florida, calls for Salzman to be censured are being made by those opposed to her comments.

    “Salzman’s words are incredibly dangerous and dehumanizing to Palestinians here at home and under the Israeli occupation,” the Cair-Florida executive director Imam Abdullah Jaber said. “She must face her party’s censure and a public repudiation from all Florida legislators.”

    Hours before Nixon’s speech, Israel agreed to daily four-hour humanitarian pauses. But Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, reportedly rejected a deal for a five-day ceasefire with Palestinian militant groups in Gaza in exchange for the release of Israeli hostages.

    On Thursday, Joe Biden said there was “no possibility” of a ceasefire.

    Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican (msn.com)

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,983
    Some democracy. Or is it occupation? And what was that about cleansing the West Bank of Palestinians again?

    Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank

    UMM AL-KHEIR, West Bank — After dark in the South Hebron Hills, parents lie awake, listening for the settlers.

    A crunch of wheels on the dusty road means it’s time to scoop their children closer, to tell them they are loved, that they will be safe. By the time the engine cuts, car doors slam and the footsteps get louder, another night of terror is in motion.

    In the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, residents described masked men in army uniforms overrunning their community last week. The men smashed residents’ cellphones so no one could document the beatings that followed.

    In nearby Susiya, five men in similar dress beat Ahmed Nawaja, 38, underneath his olive tree. His daughters cried, he said, as the attackers slammed their rifle butts down on his body.

    Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.


    this has been going on for years. the settlement expansion, and what that brings, is basically the root of what is motivating hamas.

    And what was the motivation in 1967, when that land was first taken for their national security?
  • Gift article. I'll ask again, how many is "enough?"

    Gaza reports more than 11,100 killed. That’s one out of every 200 people.



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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 34,884
    Gift article. I'll ask again, how many is "enough?"

    Gaza reports more than 11,100 killed. That’s one out of every 200 people.



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    when its 10-1 we can begin to think about discussing it. not there yet.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 21,994
    Some democracy. Or is it occupation? And what was that about cleansing the West Bank of Palestinians again?

    Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank

    UMM AL-KHEIR, West Bank — After dark in the South Hebron Hills, parents lie awake, listening for the settlers.

    A crunch of wheels on the dusty road means it’s time to scoop their children closer, to tell them they are loved, that they will be safe. By the time the engine cuts, car doors slam and the footsteps get louder, another night of terror is in motion.

    In the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, residents described masked men in army uniforms overrunning their community last week. The men smashed residents’ cellphones so no one could document the beatings that followed.

    In nearby Susiya, five men in similar dress beat Ahmed Nawaja, 38, underneath his olive tree. His daughters cried, he said, as the attackers slammed their rifle butts down on his body.

    Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.


    this has been going on for years. the settlement expansion, and what that brings, is basically the root of what is motivating hamas.

    And what was the motivation in 1967, when that land was first taken for their national security?
    you tell us, mr expert.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,350
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    it's so disheartening that we've gotten to the point in society where we'll take a celebrity's point of view at face value as fact rather than those who are experts in their field. 

    I kinda wish I lived in the days gone by where scientists and philosophers and were the celebrities. When you have people ready to die for a reality show tv business man turned president, you know you've lost too many people. 

    If you run across a time machine, please let me know!

    brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    I’m not sure people are. Define “so many people.” Roger strikes me as an addled rock star trying to maintain relevancy. I hadn’t heard of his positions outside of this forum and I don’t know anyone talking about him and his positions.

    He’s got an opinion, so what? Now, if he starts influencing elected officials or has half a million people marching in solidarity through London, I’d be concerned.

    The way I see it, most news sources print what people want to read.  That's why so many people read or listen to everything from MSNBC to NY Times to Fox News instead to Yahoo News to Facebook to AP or Reuters. I look at a lot of the former to get a picture of where people's heads are at, and the latter two to try to get closer to what is going on.  So yeah, more people are going to read what some aging rock star says.  You and I might not care or buy it, but believe me, that kind of reporting is out there big time and a lot of people get their "information" from what are mostly the more sketchy sources (and all sources of news are a least a little bit sketchy, and many a lot more so).
    Aging?  He's prime time, baby.  In America we would consider him the right age for President, if only he'd been born here!  
    80. The new 40.  
    (Seriously, we are nearly hopeless.  Yet, I still have hope!)

    I admit it, my total bad saying "aging rock star".  Let's just say "rock star", which is my main point.  I don't mind that rocks stars have opinions about current events.  Sometimes I even like it.  But I sure as heck don't take what they say as news and information worthy or form my opinions based on what someone like Waters or Young or Morello or Rock or Nugent say.  That's what I'm trying to get at with what I said.
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  • brianlux said:
    roger waters is a detriment to the anti-occupation side. 

    you can be against Israel's illegal occupation. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians. 
    you can be against the slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians. 
    you can be against hamas. 

    you can be against all of these things at the same time. 

    Odd how some people don't see that.
    What I want to know is, why are so many people taking so seriously the words of an aging rock star about this conflict in the first place?
    it's so disheartening that we've gotten to the point in society where we'll take a celebrity's point of view at face value as fact rather than those who are experts in their field. 

    I kinda wish I lived in the days gone by where scientists and philosophers and were the celebrities. When you have people ready to die for a reality show tv business man turned president, you know you've lost too many people. 
    Try not to be so disheartened over things that you have no control over.  Seems like a real waste of energy, maybe focus on the things you can control in your life.  Enjoy your life, everything will be ok sir. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,693
    thanks for the 'advice'. LOL
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  • thanks for the 'advice'. LOL
    My pleasure, hopefully you feel better already.  Keep your head up Skipper, everything will be fine.  Turn off the news.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,267
    LBCeddie said:
    thanks for the 'advice'. LOL
    My pleasure, hopefully you feel better already.  Keep your head up Skipper, everything will be fine.  Turn off the news.
    Waste of time..
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,693
    LBCeddie said:
    thanks for the 'advice'. LOL
    My pleasure, hopefully you feel better already.  Keep your head up Skipper, everything will be fine.  Turn off the news.
    get a life and stop trolling. I don't watch the news. My life is very enjoyable. But I don't choose to keep my head in the sand. 
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    2005 Winnipeg
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