At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
Don’t make (insert your favorite derogatory comment here) statements like, “ask Hamas.” Go back and read my previous posts and then come back with a serious response. I won’t hold my breath. You’re not serious nor interested. Save us the drama.
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
Don’t make (insert your favorite derogatory comment here) statements like, “ask Hamas.” Go back and read my previous posts and then come back with a serious response. I won’t hold my breath. You’re not serious nor interested. Save us the drama.
I have a million better things to do w/ my time then to read your previous posts..
But here is a question Mr Serious and self proclaimed speaker of the group …. what does “To the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” mean that is chanted at every there pro Palestine rally I have seen on the news the past 3 weeks”Please educate me and all the other serious people in your group.
And for those making the comparison to the US against ISIS in Mosul.
As Gaza death toll soars, secrecy shrouds Israel’s targeting process
JERUSALEM — The Israeli airstrikes that hit the Jabalya refugee camp on Oct. 31 sent buildings tumbling down on families displaced from across the besieged enclave. More than 110 people were killed, many of them women and children crushed beneath the rubble, doctors said.
The Israeli military said the operation achieved its aim.
“We were focused on our target,” Lt. Col. Richard Hecht, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces said Monday, referring to Ibrahim Biari, a high-ranking Hamas commander. “We know that he was killed.”
Since the conflict began, nearly 10,000 Palestinians have already been killed, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, as the IDF presses for the destruction of the Hamas militant group that rules the enclave. Although Israeli officials insist that each strike is subject to legal approval, experts say the rules of engagement, which are classified, appear to include a higher threshold for civilian casualties than in previous rounds of fighting.
“There was always a conscious effort to limit the amount of civilian casualties in the few occasions that we have struck in areas where we knew that there would be civilian casualties,” said Jonathan Conricus, the international spokesman for the IDF. He would not comment on whether Israel has changed its rules of engagement and accused Hamas of inflating the death toll.
“Essentially, the laws of armed conflict strike a balance” between the military advantage of the attack and the expected harm to civilians, said Pnina Sharvit Baruch, a former IDF legal adviser.
“The higher the military advantage, the higher harm to civilians would still be considered proportionate,” she said, describing Israel’s logic, saying that any harm to civilians is collateral, not intentional.
The consequences of those calculations are spread across the floors of Gaza’s hospitals and morgues. Entire families have been killed; infants are buried with their parents in mass graves. Strikes have hit water towers and bakeries, schools and ambulances. Human rights groups have flagged a growing number of strikes as potential war crimes and urged an international investigation.
In comments last month, the International Criminal Court’s prosecutor, Karim Khan, said that every military decision-maker in the conflict should be “on clear notice that they will be required to justify every strike against every civilian object.”
International law requires militaries to make clear distinctions between civilians and militants, and to take all possible precautions to prevent civilian harm. The principle of proportionality prohibits armies from inflicting civilian casualties that are “excessive” in relation to the direct military advantage anticipated at the time of the strike.
It is an inexact standard that requires a full investigation, a difficult task in an active war zone. How Israel is selecting its targets is shrouded in secrecy, making it extremely hard for experts to judge their legality. U.S. officials say they do not know exactly how IDF commanders are assessing the threshold for civilian casualties — even as they publicly urge Israel to minimize the death of innocents.
The Israelis have significantly reduced the number of airstrikes in recent days, a possible sign that the U.S. message is getting through, one senior State Department official told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive talks. The official added that strikes were still causing dramatic casualties.
In the Jabalya attack, which took out an entire residential block, the Israeli military suggested it was carefully planned to target a senior Hamas figure in the tunnels below the refugee camp.
“And we struck it and it was taken out and dozens of Hamas operatives were killed with him,” Conricus said. “Of course, it’s sad and regrettable that civilians are killed, but it is a legitimate military target.”
In calculating the risk to civilians, military planners could reasonably have assessed that the number of casualties would be in the hundreds, experts say.
“The Jabalya strike, because it was a planned attack, shows that Israel must have a tolerance for civilian casualties which is orders of magnitude greater than that that was used by, say, the U.S. Air Force in the war against ISIS,” said Mark Lattimer, executive director of the Ceasefire Centre for Civilian Rights.
On Oct. 14, just a week into the war, the Israeli air force said it had dropped 6,000 bombs on Hamas targets in Gaza. By contrast, a little more than 7,300 bombs were dropped on Afghanistan by the U.S.-led coalition in all of 2019, the heaviest year of aerial bombardment there.
The IDF has since provided only sporadic updates on the number of strikes conducted.
Another U.S. administration official told The Post the Israeli calculus about acceptable levels of civilian casualties was clearly different from that of the United States, but insisted there was a robust process in place to assess each strike. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk about sensitive conversations.
“U.S. interlocutors who are professionals on this issue of deconfliction and conduct of campaigns have had these discussions” with their Israeli counterparts, the senior State Department official said.
The United States provides the Israeli army with military and intelligence support, and is therefore required by the Geneva Conventions to ensure that bombing raids in Gaza do not breach international law.
On Sunday, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari appeared to foreshadow the possibility of targeting major hospitals, citing their alleged use by militants to fire on Israeli forces. He described medical facilities as a “key part of [Hamas’s] war machine” and urged that they be evacuated.
Medical relief organizations and doctors inside the hospitals have repeatedly emphasized that they cannot comply. The facilities are packed with hundreds of people, some of them on life support, as well as newborns in incubators. Thousands of displaced residents are also sleeping on hospital grounds, believing them to be safer than the ruined neighborhoods they fled.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has framed the fight against militants in existential terms. The group and its infrastructure — spread among Gaza’s population of more than 2 million civilians — can and will be destroyed, he has said.
Baruch said the savagery of Hamas’s Oct. 7 assault on Israel, which killed more than 1,400 people, gives Israel greater latitude under international law to act in self-defense: “Those standards say, we understand that you might be attacked so viciously that the only way to defend yourself is to use a lot of force and unfortunately harm civilians because there is no other way.”
But the principle of proportionality remains unchanged, experts say.
Hagari laid out on Sunday the number of warnings that Israeli forces have issued to Palestinian civilians to evacuate areas under bombardment: 1,524,000 fliers dropped from the sky, almost 6 million messages sent to cellphones and 20,000 phone calls.
But Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world. With the exits sealed to all but foreign nationals and a small number of wounded Palestinians — and bombs falling across the enclave — there is no meaningful place for civilians to escape.
As Israel’s list of pre-vetted strike locations is depleted, the emphasis of its air campaign is shifting to so-called dynamic targeting, where decisions are made relatively quickly — an approach that has led to higher civilian casualties in other air wars, including those by the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
That change would have “stark implications for civilian harm,” said Marc Garlasco, a former defense intelligence analyst. “When you switch to dynamic targeting you are doing a much more rapid collateral damage assessment and you are not able to take as many precautions.”
Israel may also be blinder than in previous periods, experts say, as hundreds of thousands of civilians shelter in new locations, sometimes moving several times a week in search of safety.
“In the first days of the war, the Israelis will know a lot. They’ll know about patterns of life, they can do good collateral damage estimates,” said Michael Schmitt, a professor of international law at the University of Reading who served 20 years in the U.S. Air Force as a judge advocate.
“At this point in the war room, those thresholds would be necessarily a bit lower than they were on day one.”
There are also questions about the strength of the intelligence being used to choose targets inside Gaza, less than a month after thousands of Hamas militants launched a devastating surprise attack on Israeli soil.
“It calls into question how good the IDF’s intelligence is, and that bears on both targeting implementation on the front end but also on assessments of incidental harm to civilians and civilian objects,” said Brian Finucane, a Crisis Group senior adviser who has advised the U.S. government on counterterrorism and the use of military force.
With unrest gripping the occupied West Bank and missiles flying along its border with Lebanon, Israel’s monitoring assets may also be stretched thin, said Schmitt. “The calculation goes: I’ve got to watch the north. I’ve got to watch all these other areas. So I can’t allocate all my resources to Gaza.”
As casualties kept climbing Sunday, the impacts of the bombing campaign on Palestinians could be seen in photographs too graphic to publish, shared online by Ghassan Abu Sitta, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon working in the area’s largest hospital. A 9-year-old girl’s arm had been gouged so deeply by shrapnel that it resembled a shark bite. A boy of the same age had his mouth blown open.
“Even if there is a legal justification for each and every airstrike in Gaza, this conflict has been catastrophic for the people of Gaza,” Finucane said. “Falling within the law only gets you so far.”
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Linda, I'm sure you are not happy with the deaths of thousands of children- any children- but the way you worded your post sounds almost like you believe those deaths are justifiable. Israelis killed those children, not Hamas. That's just a fact. Israel does not need to sacrifice thousands of children to eliminate the Hamas. That would be like burning down an entire house to get rid of termites.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
Don’t make (insert your favorite derogatory comment here) statements like, “ask Hamas.” Go back and read my previous posts and then come back with a serious response. I won’t hold my breath. You’re not serious nor interested. Save us the drama.
I have a million better things to do w/ my time then to read your previous posts..
But here is a question Mr Serious and self proclaimed speaker of the group …. what does “To the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” mean that is chanted at every there pro Palestine rally I have seen on the news the past 3 weeks”Please educate me and all the other serious people in your group.
Ignorance is bliss, eh? If you’d been paying attention, you’d know that it’s already been discussed. Further, I assume that all the pro-Palestinian protesters who turned out around the world, some of whom carried signs or chanted that slogan, also have “shit for brains?”
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
Don’t make (insert your favorite derogatory comment here) statements like, “ask Hamas.” Go back and read my previous posts and then come back with a serious response. I won’t hold my breath. You’re not serious nor interested. Save us the drama.
I have a million better things to do w/ my time then to read your previous posts..
But here is a question Mr Serious and self proclaimed speaker of the group …. what does “To the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” mean that is chanted at every there pro Palestine rally I have seen on the news the past 3 weeks”Please educate me and all the other serious people in your group.
Ignorance is bliss, eh? If you’d been paying attention, you’d know that it’s already been discussed. Further, I assume that all the pro-Palestinian protesters who turned out around the world, some of whom carried signs or chanted that slogan, also have “shit for brains?”
News flash, I speak for myself and myself only.
And courageous souls they be because many people will label those protesters "Hamas supporters" and miss the whole point. Talk about ignorance!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Seems like a fairly complex situation. Sunak is trying to discourage the protest. The organizers are planning of keeping it away from Whitehall. But what will actually happen?
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
You think anyone here is going to listen to anything you say given the way you conduct yourself with others? If you’re so offended, feel free to leave. Make this place slightly more civil.
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I haven't posted much on this topic as I really can't find the words. It is easier when you pick a side ... but I just can't. There is just so much wrong with this situation and TBH in that area of the world that it makes it hard ot know what is right.
I think the only thing that is certain is none of this...Hamas terrorism nor Israel's wide-spread response...is going to make anything better or easier in the Middle East.
I haven't posted much on this topic as I really can't find the words. It is easier when you pick a side ... but I just can't. There is just so much wrong with this situation and TBH in that area of the world that it makes it hard ot know what is right.
I think the only thing that is certain is none of this...Hamas terrorism nor Israel's wide-spread response...is going to make anything better or easier in the Middle East.
Yeah I’m feeling the sane way I’m not really well informed on Middle East conflicts at all! But I agree nothing good will come of all this death and destruction of civilian lives lost on both sides!
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it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
no. it achieves a primary goal. reduce the population by either them leaving for safety or death.
I can imagine northern Gaza will be completely leveled. wall or fencing severs it in half. Israel annexes N.Gaza
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Iran will be a big part of this and then this could be ww3
I think many can rightly argue Iran is already a big part of this given their backing of Hamas and Hezbollah. That was out there funding and material support those two "organizations" if you will, would have a much harder way of things
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
no. it achieves a primary goal. reduce the population by either them leaving for safety or death.
I can imagine northern Gaza will be completely leveled. wall or fencing severs it in half. Israel annexes N.Gaza
The idea that reducing civilian population is a primary goal is both Alex Jones level conspiratorial thought and yet squarely on the nose for this forum/thread
it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
no. it achieves a primary goal. reduce the population by either them leaving for safety or death.
I can imagine northern Gaza will be completely leveled. wall or fencing severs it in half. Israel annexes N.Gaza
The idea that reducing civilian population is a primary goal is both Alex Jones level conspiratorial thought and yet squarely on the nose for this forum/thread
The Jewish population is a minority in the whole of Israel/OccupiedTerritories.......
THEIR LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD IS ADVOCATING GENOCIDE.
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it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
no. it achieves a primary goal. reduce the population by either them leaving for safety or death.
I can imagine northern Gaza will be completely leveled. wall or fencing severs it in half. Israel annexes N.Gaza
The idea that reducing civilian population is a primary goal is both Alex Jones level conspiratorial thought and yet squarely on the nose for this forum/thread
And squarely evident that genocide is the goal. The Hamas- which are a minority of Palestinians- need to go, no doubt, but the method and goal of Israel to eliminate the Hamas is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible. As Mickey pointed out, the Israeli leadership advocate genocide of the Palestinians. And not only advocates genocide, but are carrying it out. Much of the world knows this. I don't think it's any secret.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
it is not going to. so long as there are not honest brokers involved.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
no. it achieves a primary goal. reduce the population by either them leaving for safety or death.
I can imagine northern Gaza will be completely leveled. wall or fencing severs it in half. Israel annexes N.Gaza
The idea that reducing civilian population is a primary goal is both Alex Jones level conspiratorial thought and yet squarely on the nose for this forum/thread
The Jewish population is a minority in the whole of Israel/OccupiedTerritories.......
THEIR LEADERSHIP ACROSS THE BOARD IS ADVOCATING GENOCIDE.
that is one way to snatch land and put settlements on it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
At least 4,000 children have been killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, the Gaza Health Ministry said Sunday. It added that 70 percent of the total death toll of 9,770 was women and children.
About 1,250 children are missing, presumably buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the UNWRA reported. On average one child has been killed and two have been injured every 10 minutes since the start of the Israel-Gaza war.
You might want to ask Hamas that question… But If you ask me that, it’s when Hamas is no longer the governing body of Gaza.
Sure, got their number?
Is that supposed 2 be some sort of joke?
I assume it is….I was just responding to your question, and you make a joke when countless of innocent people have been killed from this horrible situation. Real classy, but no surprise. ”To the River To the Sea”
You answered my question with an answer that I consider a joke. Let me know what the final tally is after the dust settles, will ya? I’m guessing 10:1 won’t be enough.
And by the way, you suggested I ask Hamas that question so I suppose the joke is on you.
You really need to get a life…. STOP MAKING JOKES about this horrible situation. You are not funny or clever
somewhere there's a turtle enjoying a nice 3am wave unbothered.
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As Gaza death toll soars, secrecy shrouds Israel’s targeting process
JERUSALEM — The Israeli airstrikes that hit the Jabalya refugee camp on Oct. 31 sent buildings tumbling down on families displaced from across the besieged enclave. More than 110 people were killed, many of them women and children crushed beneath the rubble, doctors said.
The Israeli military said the operation achieved its aim.
“We were focused on our target,” Lt. Col. Richard Hecht, a spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces said Monday, referring to Ibrahim Biari, a high-ranking Hamas commander. “We know that he was killed.”
Since the conflict began, nearly 10,000 Palestinians have already been killed, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, as the IDF presses for the destruction of the Hamas militant group that rules the enclave. Although Israeli officials insist that each strike is subject to legal approval, experts say the rules of engagement, which are classified, appear to include a higher threshold for civilian casualties than in previous rounds of fighting.
“There was always a conscious effort to limit the amount of civilian casualties in the few occasions that we have struck in areas where we knew that there would be civilian casualties,” said Jonathan Conricus, the international spokesman for the IDF. He would not comment on whether Israel has changed its rules of engagement and accused Hamas of inflating the death toll.
“Essentially, the laws of armed conflict strike a balance” between the military advantage of the attack and the expected harm to civilians, said Pnina Sharvit Baruch, a former IDF legal adviser.
“The higher the military advantage, the higher harm to civilians would still be considered proportionate,” she said, describing Israel’s logic, saying that any harm to civilians is collateral, not intentional.
Israeli strikes on Gaza refugee camp offer glimpse of war’s destruction
The consequences of those calculations are spread across the floors of Gaza’s hospitals and morgues. Entire families have been killed; infants are buried with their parents in mass graves. Strikes have hit water towers and bakeries, schools and ambulances. Human rights groups have flagged a growing number of strikes as potential war crimes and urged an international investigation.
In comments last month, the International Criminal Court’s prosecutor, Karim Khan, said that every military decision-maker in the conflict should be “on clear notice that they will be required to justify every strike against every civilian object.”
International law requires militaries to make clear distinctions between civilians and militants, and to take all possible precautions to prevent civilian harm. The principle of proportionality prohibits armies from inflicting civilian casualties that are “excessive” in relation to the direct military advantage anticipated at the time of the strike.
It is an inexact standard that requires a full investigation, a difficult task in an active war zone. How Israel is selecting its targets is shrouded in secrecy, making it extremely hard for experts to judge their legality. U.S. officials say they do not know exactly how IDF commanders are assessing the threshold for civilian casualties — even as they publicly urge Israel to minimize the death of innocents.
The Israelis have significantly reduced the number of airstrikes in recent days, a possible sign that the U.S. message is getting through, one senior State Department official told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive talks. The official added that strikes were still causing dramatic casualties.
Gaza becomes ‘a graveyard for children’ as Israel intensifies airstrikes
In the Jabalya attack, which took out an entire residential block, the Israeli military suggested it was carefully planned to target a senior Hamas figure in the tunnels below the refugee camp.
“And we struck it and it was taken out and dozens of Hamas operatives were killed with him,” Conricus said. “Of course, it’s sad and regrettable that civilians are killed, but it is a legitimate military target.”
In calculating the risk to civilians, military planners could reasonably have assessed that the number of casualties would be in the hundreds, experts say.
“The Jabalya strike, because it was a planned attack, shows that Israel must have a tolerance for civilian casualties which is orders of magnitude greater than that that was used by, say, the U.S. Air Force in the war against ISIS,” said Mark Lattimer, executive director of the Ceasefire Centre for Civilian Rights.
On Oct. 14, just a week into the war, the Israeli air force said it had dropped 6,000 bombs on Hamas targets in Gaza. By contrast, a little more than 7,300 bombs were dropped on Afghanistan by the U.S.-led coalition in all of 2019, the heaviest year of aerial bombardment there.
The IDF has since provided only sporadic updates on the number of strikes conducted.
Another U.S. administration official told The Post the Israeli calculus about acceptable levels of civilian casualties was clearly different from that of the United States, but insisted there was a robust process in place to assess each strike. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk about sensitive conversations.
“U.S. interlocutors who are professionals on this issue of deconfliction and conduct of campaigns have had these discussions” with their Israeli counterparts, the senior State Department official said.
The United States provides the Israeli army with military and intelligence support, and is therefore required by the Geneva Conventions to ensure that bombing raids in Gaza do not breach international law.
On Sunday, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari appeared to foreshadow the possibility of targeting major hospitals, citing their alleged use by militants to fire on Israeli forces. He described medical facilities as a “key part of [Hamas’s] war machine” and urged that they be evacuated.
Medical relief organizations and doctors inside the hospitals have repeatedly emphasized that they cannot comply. The facilities are packed with hundreds of people, some of them on life support, as well as newborns in incubators. Thousands of displaced residents are also sleeping on hospital grounds, believing them to be safer than the ruined neighborhoods they fled.
‘Nowhere safe’: In southern Gaza, a scramble in vain to outrun the war
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has framed the fight against militants in existential terms. The group and its infrastructure — spread among Gaza’s population of more than 2 million civilians — can and will be destroyed, he has said.
Baruch said the savagery of Hamas’s Oct. 7 assault on Israel, which killed more than 1,400 people, gives Israel greater latitude under international law to act in self-defense: “Those standards say, we understand that you might be attacked so viciously that the only way to defend yourself is to use a lot of force and unfortunately harm civilians because there is no other way.”
But the principle of proportionality remains unchanged, experts say.
Hagari laid out on Sunday the number of warnings that Israeli forces have issued to Palestinian civilians to evacuate areas under bombardment: 1,524,000 fliers dropped from the sky, almost 6 million messages sent to cellphones and 20,000 phone calls.
But Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world. With the exits sealed to all but foreign nationals and a small number of wounded Palestinians — and bombs falling across the enclave — there is no meaningful place for civilians to escape.
As Israel’s list of pre-vetted strike locations is depleted, the emphasis of its air campaign is shifting to so-called dynamic targeting, where decisions are made relatively quickly — an approach that has led to higher civilian casualties in other air wars, including those by the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
That change would have “stark implications for civilian harm,” said Marc Garlasco, a former defense intelligence analyst. “When you switch to dynamic targeting you are doing a much more rapid collateral damage assessment and you are not able to take as many precautions.”
Israel may also be blinder than in previous periods, experts say, as hundreds of thousands of civilians shelter in new locations, sometimes moving several times a week in search of safety.
Up to 400,000 people remain along Gaza front after Israel rejects ‘pause’
“In the first days of the war, the Israelis will know a lot. They’ll know about patterns of life, they can do good collateral damage estimates,” said Michael Schmitt, a professor of international law at the University of Reading who served 20 years in the U.S. Air Force as a judge advocate.
“At this point in the war room, those thresholds would be necessarily a bit lower than they were on day one.”
There are also questions about the strength of the intelligence being used to choose targets inside Gaza, less than a month after thousands of Hamas militants launched a devastating surprise attack on Israeli soil.
“It calls into question how good the IDF’s intelligence is, and that bears on both targeting implementation on the front end but also on assessments of incidental harm to civilians and civilian objects,” said Brian Finucane, a Crisis Group senior adviser who has advised the U.S. government on counterterrorism and the use of military force.
With unrest gripping the occupied West Bank and missiles flying along its border with Lebanon, Israel’s monitoring assets may also be stretched thin, said Schmitt. “The calculation goes: I’ve got to watch the north. I’ve got to watch all these other areas. So I can’t allocate all my resources to Gaza.”
As casualties kept climbing Sunday, the impacts of the bombing campaign on Palestinians could be seen in photographs too graphic to publish, shared online by Ghassan Abu Sitta, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon working in the area’s largest hospital. A 9-year-old girl’s arm had been gouged so deeply by shrapnel that it resembled a shark bite. A boy of the same age had his mouth blown open.
“Even if there is a legal justification for each and every airstrike in Gaza, this conflict has been catastrophic for the people of Gaza,” Finucane said. “Falling within the law only gets you so far.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/05/israel-strike-targets-gaza-civilians-hamas/
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Linda, I'm sure you are not happy with the deaths of thousands of children- any children- but the way you worded your post sounds almost like you believe those deaths are justifiable. Israelis killed those children, not Hamas. That's just a fact. Israel does not need to sacrifice thousands of children to eliminate the Hamas. That would be like burning down an entire house to get rid of termites.
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And courageous souls they be because many people will label those protesters "Hamas supporters" and miss the whole point. Talk about ignorance!
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I think the only thing that is certain is none of this...Hamas terrorism nor Israel's wide-spread response...is going to make anything better or easier in the Middle East.
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Israel-Hamas war live: more than 10,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza since 7 October, says health authority
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Hopefully before our sun becomes a red giant in about 5 billion years (and later becomes a white dwarf). But I wouldn't count on it.
i have a feeling we are going to get sucked right back into the middle east with a large military presence. not just the us, but many of our allies.
i am seeing israel repeating the exact same tactics we used in the war on terror. indiscriminate killing of civilians using the excuse that the terrorists are mingling with them as well. israeli leadership has learned nothing from our mistakes.
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I think many can rightly argue Iran is already a big part of this given their backing of Hamas and Hezbollah. That was out there funding and material support those two "organizations" if you will, would have a much harder way of things
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And squarely evident that genocide is the goal. The Hamas- which are a minority of Palestinians- need to go, no doubt, but the method and goal of Israel to eliminate the Hamas is to simply kill as many Palestinians as possible. As Mickey pointed out, the Israeli leadership advocate genocide of the Palestinians. And not only advocates genocide, but are carrying it out. Much of the world knows this. I don't think it's any secret.
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