Meanwhile back in Israel

callen

rgambs said:

It's a shame those with expertise on the Palestinian perspective have all been banned...

Yeah why I dont visit this thread. Reason my reply to TB's and RR's love fest was so delayed.
Ha

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

mickeyrat

You mean the guy that heard bibi claim rabin a traitor?


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.639193?v=1C9BE9D437E8DBADDD744CAAD535F94B

benjs

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

BS44325

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

yosi

Why is the right wing culture in Israel "Jewish"? The Israeli right is by no means animated solely by religion, and many on the right are thoroughly secular and have made common cause with the religious right for purely political purposes. Moreover, there are many religious Jews on the Israeli left, and many more secular Israeli left wingers who draw inspiration from Jewish texts and tradition (a particularly popular reference in this regard is the biblical command not to mistreat the strangers among us because we ourselves were slaves in Egypt). The point being that while religion is clearly at play in the conflict, it is not the root cause.

BS44325

Hillary appears to be taking a pretty vocal stand in support of Israel during the current wave of violence. This appears to be in opposition to where the base of her party is right now.

http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/#ixzz3qZwn10R9

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I dunno, what the hell is wrong with you?
I was not advocating it, and I said so. I meant it. There is nothing wrong with what I said. I didn't mean it's smart to assassinate someone, though you're right, that wasn't clarified. So to clarify, I meant smarter people would see how harmful the guy is.
Anyone who knows me here knows that I do not support violence.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

gimmesometruth27

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

BS44325

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

Right...because the populace is just a bunch of lemmings who can't possibly think for themselves. You don't live in their shoes and hence have zero understanding of why they voted the way they did. You have to believe that they fell for a lie because to accept that they rationally elected Netanyahu just will not compute.

dignin

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

Right...because the populace is just a bunch of lemmings who can't possibly think for themselves. You don't live in their shoes and hence of zero understanding of why they voted the way they did. You have to believe that they fell for a lie because to accept that they rationally elected Netanyahu just will not compute.

If they elected him rationally.....your right, it doesn't compute. Let's not forget the lies and fear he spouted off just days before the election.

http://time.com/3749912/benjamin-netanyahu/

Benjamin Netanyahu’s Disgrace in Victory

BS44325

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

Right...because the populace is just a bunch of lemmings who can't possibly think for themselves. You don't live in their shoes and hence of zero understanding of why they voted the way they did. You have to believe that they fell for a lie because to accept that they rationally elected Netanyahu just will not compute.

If they elected him rationally.....your right, it doesn't compute. Let's not forget the lies and fear he spouted off just days before the election.

http://time.com/3749912/benjamin-netanyahu/

Benjamin Netanyahu’s Disgrace in Victory

The electorate considered Netanyahu's statements and still rationally voted for him.

dignin

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

Someone care to explain to me how this is in anyway helpful or a path to peace?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/21/netanyahu-says-palestinian-gave-hitler-idea-for-the-holocaust/?tid=sm_fb

when all else fails, rewrite history.

Heh. Yeah, well.... Netanyahu doesn't have the world's best interests in mind, nor the best interests of the Israeli people. Clearly. I'm surprised some smart Israeli hasn't assassinated him by now (not that I'm advocating it). The Israeli people must be quite brainwashed at this point or something, because it seems like they don't really like him, but keep standing behind him anyway. I suppose out of fear? Same reason Americans reelected Bush I figure... People don't like to change leaders during a war (because their leader convinces them that they need him).

Like the smart Israeli who assassinated Rabin? What the hell is wrong with you? A "not that I'm advocating it" in parentheses absolves you of nothing.

I'd tend to agree with BS. A desire to assassinate says only negative about the intellect of a human being, and I personally think only an apathetic person would say otherwise.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death: given that his campaign is built on a foundation of the necessity of fear and paranoia, his death would only serve to prove everything he's fighting for, and would be seen as validation of his cause by the ever-powerful right wing Jewish culture in Israel. How about an impeachment, re-election, and having him tried by the International Criminal Court as a war criminal? Any or all of those seem preferable to the "smart Israeli's assassination attempt" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean).

You and I disagree on the politics but what you wrote is so obvious that it is amazing it had to actually be written.

I'd love to see Israelis speak up against Netanyahu in ways that don't involve his death too.
You know, saying that I'm surprised something hasn't happened doesn't mean I want it to happen. My post was poorly written, but surely you guys knew that I would never actually say what you thought I was saying.

they had the chance to speak up, but they re-elected him when they had the chance to make a change.

he played on their fears by saying that "arabs are showing up at the polls in droves, vote for me if you want to be protected". and they fell for it.

Right...because the populace is just a bunch of lemmings who can't possibly think for themselves. You don't live in their shoes and hence of zero understanding of why they voted the way they did. You have to believe that they fell for a lie because to accept that they rationally elected Netanyahu just will not compute.

If they elected him rationally.....your right, it doesn't compute. Let's not forget the lies and fear he spouted off just days before the election.

http://time.com/3749912/benjamin-netanyahu/

Benjamin Netanyahu’s Disgrace in Victory

The electorate considered Netanyahu's statements and still rationally voted for him.

I guess we have a different idea of rational.

Remember, Bush was a full term president. Voters aren't always rational.

BS44325

Rational or Irrational?

http://youtu.be/-1Rua3DCd-o

mickeyrat

slow creeping genocide or just your garden variety terrorism in occupied lands with state sponsered civilian terrorism as well?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/israeli-forces-settlers-besiege-hebron-151107143253431.html

PJfanwillneverleave1

BS44325 said:

Rational or Irrational?

http://youtu.be/-1Rua3DCd-o

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PJ_Soul

I actually think there really is something behind the effects of constant hot weather on populations.

rafie

I am not really online much these days (waiting for a euro tour announcement so i checked in here), but i (mostly) read the last three pages and wanted to respond to a few things. I will say in advance that chances are I will not be around to read any of the backlash that this post causes, so don't bother :-)
1) jonnie blu (pretty sure it was him) posted a lengthy and intelligent rundown of the early history of the conflict and instead of actually responding to the stuff he said, the anti - israel faction cut him down because he did not cite sources. seriously? we are on a pj message board. the guy is not defending a thesis on the subject. I am a history teacher and i have plenty of things in my head on a WIDE variety of subjects (french revolution, early american history, midevil feudal system, industrial revolution - just to name a few) that i have learned throughout the years. I can write extremely lengthy explanations off the top of my head on any of these subjects, but there is no chance i could back it all up (without WAY too much effort) with citations. Same goes for the history of my own country. I don't remember all of what he wrote, but most of the stuff is pretty cut and dry. I am sure that any member of the anti-israel faction here actually knows these things, but prefer to ignore them.

2) WTF does the sinking of the USS liberty have to do with any of this? The US government accepted that this was a case of friendly fire, so why do you keep waving this incident in our faces? did you know one of the people killed there?

3) to the guy who was surprised that no one has assassinated Benjamin Netanyahu- one word - WOW! That's it. nothing else to say to you....

4) no where over the pages i have read did i see any mentioning of the fact that some nut jobs are stabbing people in the streets. i use the term "nut jobs" because i do not believe that the majority of arabs living here are in favour of these actions. the vast majority of the palestinian and arab israeli population understand that these attacks hurt them more than help them. I also refer to the jews committing "revenge" attacks as nut jobs. they should all be thrown in the same prison and have a last man standing competition.

On a serious note here, we have children committing terrorist attacks. 2 weeks ago two cousins (13 an 15) stabbed a 13 year old boy in jerusalem. there is surveillance footage of them holding knives and looking for a victim. yesterday two kids (11 and 14) stabbed a security guard on their way home from school. these kids are thought to hate from the second they are born. many of the attacks happened in cities that by no way are considered "occupied territories" (one attack was in a city called Rishon Le Zion. my parents live a 5 minute walk from where the attack took place. This city was established in 1882). do you really think that if israel goes back to the 1967 borders that the hate will dissapear and everything will be hunky dorry? if your answer is yes, bring some of what you are smoking to the euro tour this summer.

mickeyrat

"do you really think that if israel goes back to the 1967 borders that the hate will dissapear and everything will be hunky dorry?"
No the hate on both sides will live long and deep. I dont think any here are or have suggested as much.

What could happen though is those settlers can be resettled within Israels borders. A lesson could be applied that was learned in South Africa and Rwanda , via truth and reconciliation commisions. Unless and until two groups of people can begin to see whats had in common more than differences, honestly admit its wrongs, none of this changes.

Are not the kids of both sides shown via the actions of the other side , as well as the narrative of their own communities, that the other are evil?
How could you not hate in that environment?

Something has to give, in my veiw the palestinians have given enough.

This subject being such a contentious issue , source is important. Source can and often does have agenda attached. To be able to hear from both sides narrative, truth is in the middle. To flat refuse because " you antis wont believe it anyway" is a disservice and frankly insulting.