High N Dry in California

hedonist

We need, at least for the foreseeable future, to put the kibosh on golf courses. Or can folks just play on non-grass or brown grass? I'm not a golfer, so...

Make energy-efficient appliances built to last so that the investment isn't lost as soon as they need to be replaced (seems sooner and sooner). Maybe extend the rebate period. We received no incentive to replace our toilets, shower heads - financially, anyway. It was the right thing to do, but would've been nice.

Put huge-ticket items such as the rail line on hold and divert state funds toward fixing the old-ass pipes running under our cities. Shitload of water main breaks lately.

More education for people who just don't get it (yet - I hope).

rr165892

I heard George Clooney could indeed make water from sand in California.Did I get my facts correct?

rgambs

hedonist said:

We need, at least for the foreseeable future, to put the kibosh on golf courses. Or can folks just play on non-grass or brown grass? I'm not a golfer, so...

Make energy-efficient appliances built to last so that the investment isn't lost as soon as they need to be replaced (seems sooner and sooner). Maybe extend the rebate period. We received no incentive to replace our toilets, shower heads - financially, anyway. It was the right thing to do, but would've been nice.

Put huge-ticket items such as the rail line on hold and divert state funds toward fixing the old-ass pipes running under our cities. Shitload of water main breaks lately.

More education for people who just don't get it (yet - I hope).

Amen to that! All of it really, but particularly the bolded.
Add to that ceasing operations at the Nestle bottling plant where they bottle tens of millions of gallons of scarce Cali water to sell to folks in the Land Of Ten Thousand lakes and elsewhere. I know of people who have clean "free" well water who still buy bottled water that very well may come from a drought stricken region. Slap My Mother Fucking Head!

hedonist

rr165892 said:

I heard George Clooney could indeed make water from sand in California.Did I get my facts correct?

Is this an actual process? George Jesus Clooney!

g under p

backseatLover12 said:

I'm convinced that if there's another world crisis and war, it will be over fresh water.

Unfortunately, this will be true for our future.

Peace

riotgrl

backseatLover12 said:

I'm convinced that if there's another world crisis and war, it will be over fresh water.

Have you seen the documentary Blue Gold? It talks about that very thing. It's definitely a huge concern.

There is another about the Colorado River supplying the entire southwest that I'd like to see as well.

rgambs

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

rr165892

hedonist said:

rr165892 said:

I heard George Clooney could indeed make water from sand in California.Did I get my facts correct?

Is this an actual process? George Jesus Clooney!

Ah ,yeah!!!! Sheesh Hedo get with the program.Tom Brady has this super power as well.

rr165892

In all seriousness I feel for you guys.Cali is always getting fucked with something.
Shit, we got more Aqua then we know what to do with.Lets build a pipeline.Take all you want.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

In all seriousness I feel for you guys.Cali is always getting fucked with something.
Shit, we got more Aqua then we know what to do with.Lets build a pipeline.Take all you want.

Texas would crack the pipe and bleed it all out lol Cali would still be effed.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

I go there every year for a conference. It's a fun place, but I agree with you for a lot of reasons (including the immense strain on the environment).

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

I go there every year for a conference. It's a fun place, but I agree with you for a lot of reasons (including the immense strain on the environment).

Yeah it's just kind of preposterous to put a city of luxurious indulgence in a place so inhospitable and barren.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

I go there every year for a conference. It's a fun place, but I agree with you for a lot of reasons (including the immense strain on the environment).

I haven't been there in ages - husband's been not-so-subtly hinting (OK, he's come right out and said it!) that he wants to visit there at least once in his life. Last time I was there it was sensory overload but I'm willing to give it another short go.

But yes, I guess the revenue there exceeds the cost of the energy of the lights alone.

And given that one of my company's offices is there, its investment in land, plus our hundreds of tenants...I do hope the city itself ultimately succeeds in many ways.

hedonist

turfterminators.com!

Just saw a commercial on a local channel...great concept, but almost seems too good be true.

brianlux

hedonist said:

turfterminators.com!

Just saw a commercial on a local channel...great concept, but almost seems too good be true.

Very cool. These are smart people- and I might add smart business people. They are probably doing a brisk business! And the technical word for what they do is a great word: xeriscaping.

hedonist

I hope they are, B.

The thread title has had Radiohead in my head since I first read it.

Then I thought of this one...duh! -- by title only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eRp97ZRwmk

rr165892

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

I go there every year for a conference. It's a fun place, but I agree with you for a lot of reasons (including the immense strain on the environment).

I haven't been there in ages - husband's been not-so-subtly hinting (OK, he's come right out and said it!) that he wants to visit there at least once in his life. Last time I was there it was sensory overload but I'm willing to give it another short go.

But yes, I guess the revenue there exceeds the cost of the energy of the lights alone.

And given that one of my company's offices is there, its investment in land, plus our hundreds of tenants...I do hope the city itself ultimately succeeds in many ways.

Go,and see the Beatles show.

rr165892

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

So here's the problem with that.Where does your way of thinking stop?
The same could be said about Development along coastlines.Skyscrapers on wetlands,urban sprawl pretty much everywhere.
All cities all areas have some impact on the enviorment and are subjected to some of Mother natures wrath.How is Vegas different from Palm Springs?What about Tuscon or Phoenix?
Since we as a race are going to develop lands previously unlivable we should figure out ways to harness what is available and maximize its impact.
GF had some good thoughts on Dams and rain and snow melt containment.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

So here's the problem with that.Where does your way of thinking stop?
The same could be said about Development along coastlines.Skyscrapers on wetlands,urban sprawl pretty much everywhere.
All cities all areas have some impact on the enviorment and are subjected to some of Mother natures wrath.How is Vegas different from Palm Springs?What about Tuscon or Phoenix?
Since we as a race are going to develop lands previously unlivable we should figure out ways to harness what is available and maximize its impact.
GF had some good thoughts on Dams and rain and snow melt containment.

I see what you mean for sure. I really think that cities like Tucson (I used to live there!) and Pheonix probably shouldn't exist at the size they do. If there is a fine line with environmental impact, cities like those are nowhere near it! Vegas is different in that it only exists in it's current state for excessive entertainment, so when it dries up I won't feel very bad. The water is all stolen from Mexico anyways lol

brianlux

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Las Vegas shouldn't even exist.

So here's the problem with that.Where does your way of thinking stop?
The same could be said about Development along coastlines.Skyscrapers on wetlands,urban sprawl pretty much everywhere.
All cities all areas have some impact on the enviorment and are subjected to some of Mother natures wrath.How is Vegas different from Palm Springs?What about Tuscon or Phoenix?
Since we as a race are going to develop lands previously unlivable we should figure out ways to harness what is available and maximize its impact.
GF had some good thoughts on Dams and rain and snow melt containment.

I see what you mean for sure. I really think that cities like Tucson (I used to live there!) and Pheonix probably shouldn't exist at the size they do. If there is a fine line with environmental impact, cities like those are nowhere near it! Vegas is different in that it only exists in it's current state for excessive entertainment, so when it dries up I won't feel very bad. The water is all stolen from Mexico anyways lol

It will be interesting (to put it mildly) to see Vegas, Phoenix/Mesa/Scottsdale/Glendale/etc., Tuscon and Oh-ohhhh Albuquerque become the worlds largest ghost towns.