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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    callen said:

    rgambs said:

    I believe in empathy (not sympathy) for everyone, empathy is one of the truly distinctive things about humans.

    Empathy

    Believe empathy is key to human harmony. World harmony. Plant and animal harmony.

    Empathy is the enemy of the machine. Hard to motivate the masses……… if they have empathy. Hard to have workers increasing efficiency 150% and laying off your coworkers when you have Empathy.

    Empathy is the enemy of wars, how can one justify the killing of women and children…..for economic security, FOR money if one has empathy.

    Empathy takes away human validation Rather than understanding the plight of your fellow man…one without empathy takes comfort if feeling special, smarter, better equipped. My favorite on this board……. “Being a white male gives me no advantages, I worked hard. I had good morals. Those crack babies have same opportunity as I, they are just ……………………..lazy. NOT like I.”

    then this came to mind….

    “ I know now to eat….I chose the salmon filet special at lunch with the boys today during our monthly team meeting….…I didn’t get the cheeseburger…like those dumb poor people that went to McDonalds and are now fat”. Empathy “Head of lettuce is 99 Cents why don’t they eat that…its cheap vegetable” Empathy.

    Empathy, putting yourself in the shoes of another…..of a teenage suicide bomber…who’s life sucks so bad…that has had idiotic beliefs drilled in their heads, they feel so desperate that they strap bombs to their bodies and are willing to exterminate themselves, obliterate themselves….not knowing how much it will indeed hurt….no future of family, kids, grandkids…all that never a thought….…………..and we call them cowards!! HOW??? If you have a smallest sliver of empathy you would realize this is the farthest thing from being a coward. Diving a plane into a mountain being a coward?!?!?! Really? This dude was sick….he flew headfirst into a mountain…..I don’t have the balls to do this….I could never commit suicide……I am a coward, but I have empathy.

    Empathy understanding depression, understanding sexual drive, understanding other’s needs, wants, insecurities…….empathy. You against gays? Rub you the wrong way?. You ever think how it must suck to not be attracted to opposite sex, going against family, society..and GOD!!!!!! Fuck that must suck big time…….I can barely just imagine…just barely or maybe not at all….. Empathy

    Empathy, “those damn wetbacks coming over here taking our jobs”. They risk all they have, culture, family, security, risk of life and limb, risk of imprisonment…for $5.00 an hour….empathy…..yet skip the fact that Americans hire them….they are but poor pawns…in the game of hate and votes. Empathy.

    Challenge yourselves….it’s not the evil doers, its humans just like you, that have the same wants and wishes for themselves and families as you….they ARE you.

    Peace.
    Do you have empathy for white privileged males? I apologize because that was an unfair generalization.

    If depression was the reason behind this murderous act, I wouldn't leave my house every day because a good percentage of the nation is on meds for depression and another good percentage are left un-diagnosed .

    This guy epitomizes pure evil. He had a lot of time to comprehend what he was doing, in pre-planning and execution, yet he continued to murder a 150 people and destroy 150 families under a calm demeanor while under pressure by those aboard to plea for mercy.

    If he was standing on the ledge of a building while threatening to jump while people pleaded for him to reconsider, then empathy is warranted. This guy has no reason to give pity.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    rgambs said:

    I believe in empathy (not sympathy) for everyone, empathy is one of the truly distinctive things about humans.

    Empathy

    Believe empathy is key to human harmony. World harmony. Plant and animal harmony.

    Empathy is the enemy of the machine. Hard to motivate the masses……… if they have empathy. Hard to have workers increasing efficiency 150% and laying off your coworkers when you have Empathy.

    Empathy is the enemy of wars, how can one justify the killing of women and children…..for economic security, FOR money if one has empathy.

    Empathy takes away human validation Rather than understanding the plight of your fellow man…one without empathy takes comfort if feeling special, smarter, better equipped. My favorite on this board……. “Being a white male gives me no advantages, I worked hard. I had good morals. Those crack babies have same opportunity as I, they are just ……………………..lazy. NOT like I.”

    then this came to mind….

    “ I know now to eat….I chose the salmon filet special at lunch with the boys today during our monthly team meeting….…I didn’t get the cheeseburger…like those dumb poor people that went to McDonalds and are now fat”. Empathy “Head of lettuce is 99 Cents why don’t they eat that…its cheap vegetable” Empathy.

    Empathy, putting yourself in the shoes of another…..of a teenage suicide bomber…who’s life sucks so bad…that has had idiotic beliefs drilled in their heads, they feel so desperate that they strap bombs to their bodies and are willing to exterminate themselves, obliterate themselves….not knowing how much it will indeed hurt….no future of family, kids, grandkids…all that never a thought….…………..and we call them cowards!! HOW??? If you have a smallest sliver of empathy you would realize this is the farthest thing from being a coward. Diving a plane into a mountain being a coward?!?!?! Really? This dude was sick….he flew headfirst into a mountain…..I don’t have the balls to do this….I could never commit suicide……I am a coward, but I have empathy.

    Empathy understanding depression, understanding sexual drive, understanding other’s needs, wants, insecurities…….empathy. You against gays? Rub you the wrong way?. You ever think how it must suck to not be attracted to opposite sex, going against family, society..and GOD!!!!!! Fuck that must suck big time…….I can barely just imagine…just barely or maybe not at all….. Empathy

    Empathy, “those damn wetbacks coming over here taking our jobs”. They risk all they have, culture, family, security, risk of life and limb, risk of imprisonment…for $5.00 an hour….empathy…..yet skip the fact that Americans hire them….they are but poor pawns…in the game of hate and votes. Empathy.

    Challenge yourselves….it’s not the evil doers, its humans just like you, that have the same wants and wishes for themselves and families as you….they ARE you.

    Peace.
    Do you have empathy for white privileged males? I apologize because that was an unfair generalization.

    If depression was the reason behind this murderous act, I wouldn't leave my house every day because a good percentage of the nation is on meds for depression and another good percentage are left un-diagnosed .

    This guy epitomizes pure evil. He had a lot of time to comprehend what he was doing, in pre-planning and execution, yet he continued to murder a 150 people and destroy 150 families under a calm demeanor while under pressure by those aboard to plea for mercy.

    If he was standing on the ledge of a building while threatening to jump while people pleaded for him to reconsider, then empathy is warranted. This guy has no reason to give pity.
    You are confusing empathy with sympathy I think.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    I think we often see (some) issues quite differently, but - and while I'm in no position to disregard his prior (?) mental state - this is right on.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Don't let my praise of this post make you question what you wrote, Gimmie (like Hedo expressed as well... we've disagreed a lot lately).

    This post concisely sums up what I've been thinking, but have been unable to express.

    * Welcome to the dark side. LOL!!!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    So please give us all some truth.
    How did you get through your severe bout of depression a few years ago?
    You wanted to take your life and you didn't.........
    What was your cure

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited April 2015
    Bad quote feature.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Come on Gimmie not at all what I wrote. The guy was a psychopath but rather than shout obscenities why not understand and find out why and learn from it. My post really had nothing to do with thread topic other than he wasn't a coward.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    So please give us all some truth.
    How did you get through your severe bout of depression a few years ago?
    You wanted to take your life and you didn't.........
    What was your cure

    To be fair, it's his truth. Different paths and means for different people.

    In my 20s, I'd quit smoking (didn't stick, but beside the point). It fucked with my skin at the time - how the toxins come out. That itself was tough enough, but then I was prescribed Accutane. This shit will fuck with your mind. I wasn't suicidal but had some of the darkest thoughts I've ever had.

    Stopping that medicine was easy enough (and I'll say it made my skin beautiful albeit via a messed up process), but not all people have the luxury of just "ceasing" the cause.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    To be fair I would hope that paid professionals who sign off a person to be fit to fly better brace for the consequences of their error (more so than tucking heads down between ther
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

    Intentionally brought down that plane?

    Its a sick world we live in.

    Speedy,
    You have not been involved in your thread.
    What do you think so far?
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Damn Rod,You be making sense today.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Don't let my praise of this post make you question what you wrote, Gimmie (like Hedo expressed as well... we've disagreed a lot lately).

    This post concisely sums up what I've been thinking, but have been unable to express.

    * Welcome to the dark side. LOL!!!
    Hey Thirty,Should we get him a membership card and send him the perk package.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Don't let my praise of this post make you question what you wrote, Gimmie (like Hedo expressed as well... we've disagreed a lot lately).

    This post concisely sums up what I've been thinking, but have been unable to express.

    * Welcome to the dark side. LOL!!!
    Hey Thirty,Should we get him a membership card and send him the perk package.
    LOL

    I just pulled mine out. Catchy 1st page heading: 'Welcome to the Dark Side'
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    depression is not what led to this.

    i had a several month episode of severe depression a few years ago.

    the only life i thought about taking was my own.

    do not let the media smear this man because of his mental illness. smear him for his sober, deliberate, and calculated plotting of and carrying out a mass murder.

    Don't let my praise of this post make you question what you wrote, Gimmie (like Hedo expressed as well... we've disagreed a lot lately).

    This post concisely sums up what I've been thinking, but have been unable to express.

    * Welcome to the dark side. LOL!!!
    Hey Thirty,Should we get him a membership card and send him the perk package.
    LOL

    I just pulled mine out. Catchy 1st page heading: 'Welcome to the Dark Side'
    I have mine in a lanyard I wear around my neck Everytime I log on to this site.lol


  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    rgambs said:

    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    rgambs said:

    I believe in empathy (not sympathy) for everyone, empathy is one of the truly distinctive things about humans.

    Empathy

    Believe empathy is key to human harmony. World harmony. Plant and animal harmony.

    Empathy is the enemy of the machine. Hard to motivate the masses……… if they have empathy. Hard to have workers increasing efficiency 150% and laying off your coworkers when you have Empathy.

    Empathy is the enemy of wars, how can one justify the killing of women and children…..for economic security, FOR money if one has empathy.

    Empathy takes away human validation Rather than understanding the plight of your fellow man…one without empathy takes comfort if feeling special, smarter, better equipped. My favorite on this board……. “Being a white male gives me no advantages, I worked hard. I had good morals. Those crack babies have same opportunity as I, they are just ……………………..lazy. NOT like I.”

    then this came to mind….

    “ I know now to eat….I chose the salmon filet special at lunch with the boys today during our monthly team meeting….…I didn’t get the cheeseburger…like those dumb poor people that went to McDonalds and are now fat”. Empathy “Head of lettuce is 99 Cents why don’t they eat that…its cheap vegetable” Empathy.

    Empathy, putting yourself in the shoes of another…..of a teenage suicide bomber…who’s life sucks so bad…that has had idiotic beliefs drilled in their heads, they feel so desperate that they strap bombs to their bodies and are willing to exterminate themselves, obliterate themselves….not knowing how much it will indeed hurt….no future of family, kids, grandkids…all that never a thought….…………..and we call them cowards!! HOW??? If you have a smallest sliver of empathy you would realize this is the farthest thing from being a coward. Diving a plane into a mountain being a coward?!?!?! Really? This dude was sick….he flew headfirst into a mountain…..I don’t have the balls to do this….I could never commit suicide……I am a coward, but I have empathy.

    Empathy understanding depression, understanding sexual drive, understanding other’s needs, wants, insecurities…….empathy. You against gays? Rub you the wrong way?. You ever think how it must suck to not be attracted to opposite sex, going against family, society..and GOD!!!!!! Fuck that must suck big time…….I can barely just imagine…just barely or maybe not at all….. Empathy

    Empathy, “those damn wetbacks coming over here taking our jobs”. They risk all they have, culture, family, security, risk of life and limb, risk of imprisonment…for $5.00 an hour….empathy…..yet skip the fact that Americans hire them….they are but poor pawns…in the game of hate and votes. Empathy.

    Challenge yourselves….it’s not the evil doers, its humans just like you, that have the same wants and wishes for themselves and families as you….they ARE you.

    Peace.
    Do you have empathy for white privileged males? I apologize because that was an unfair generalization.

    If depression was the reason behind this murderous act, I wouldn't leave my house every day because a good percentage of the nation is on meds for depression and another good percentage are left un-diagnosed .

    This guy epitomizes pure evil. He had a lot of time to comprehend what he was doing, in pre-planning and execution, yet he continued to murder a 150 people and destroy 150 families under a calm demeanor while under pressure by those aboard to plea for mercy.

    If he was standing on the ledge of a building while threatening to jump while people pleaded for him to reconsider, then empathy is warranted. This guy has no reason to give pity.
    You are confusing empathy with sympathy I think.
    Possibly, although I consider myself to be pragmatic.

    I see this guy as being an defective human being that the system allowed to fly commercial airplanes by mistake.

    I still feel really sad for the victims that were happy about scoring a cheap flight only to have this asshole murder them.

    For this guy, No empathy. No sympathy. He should be judged in history as the lowest of the low.

    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P said:



    Possibly, although I consider myself to be pragmatic.

    I see this guy as being an defective human being that the system allowed to fly commercial airplanes by mistake.

    I still feel really sad for the victims that were happy about scoring a cheap flight only to have this asshole murder them.

    For this guy, No empathy. No sympathy. He should be judged in history as the lowest of the low.

    Jason, after learning of the research found on his computer or whatever device it was, I must echo this.

    I've tried to write the following a couple of times but can't seem to find the right words. I guess my empathy and sympathy are with those grieving over their loss and then having to come to grips with the sick circumstances of that loss.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Got a not from my Pop today- he was an aeronautical engineer for United Airlines for many years. He ran into a friend who is a retired UAL pilot and asked the fellow what he thought of the crash. The retired pilot's only rely was, "We did it right , didn't we?", referring to the fact that United has a rule that there is always two in the cockpit. If one of the pilots needs a pit stop, a cabin attendant takes his or her place in the cockpit.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Hey OP!

    Where are you in this thread you started?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think ol' Speedy's around, PJfan! He, like us, has spoken his mind pretty well here.

    B, thank *something* for that rule. If only in this case...

    Seems the more I learn of it, the more heartbreaking it is.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    hedonist said:

    I think ol' Speedy's around, PJfan! He, like us, has spoken his mind pretty well here.

    B, thank *something* for that rule. If only in this case...

    Seems the more I learn of it, the more heartbreaking it is.

    Oh, for sure Hedo, it's so crazy that this happened. And the ripples of pain from this kind of thing- a lot of far reaching sorrow.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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