So the Co-Pilot...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

23scidoo

Last-12-Exit said:

23scidoo said:

if you want to die,die..but taking with you all those people, for me its a murder..
and ofcourse the company who let him drive the plain..

I'm not sold on the company being to blame. It's nearly impossible to know if a guy is suicidal. Hell, police departments do psych evals before hiring and people get by.

this guy had just one test at the beggining of his career and thats it??..the company should examine their pilots more often IMO..the latest news said that he had visions problems also..

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

very well put, gambs.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

We can agree to disagree.

I think he's a completely worthless individual and you don't.

rr165892

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

No,no,no Gambsy.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?

Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)

The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.

Annafalk

Insane people will probably always exist, the problem is when the security system fails to catch them.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.

Yes.

He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

No,no,no Gambsy.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?

Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)

The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.

Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Annafalk said:

Insane people will probably always exist, the problem is when the security system fails to catch them.

Society can never escape from insanity. In the event it thought it might, a different version of insanity would present itself.

There will always be deviation from the norm and not always in a good way.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

No,no,no Gambsy.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?

Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)

The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.

Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.

It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.

Yes.

He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.

I guess I disagree with the notion that a person's good and bad choices can be balanced on a scale to determine their net worth. To me, a person has worth by virtue of being alive, and having the capacity to love and be loved.
Some people make terrible amounts of hate and pain in the world and it sucks, but I don't see the value in perpetuating the hate and pain.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

No,no,no Gambsy.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?

Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)

The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.

Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.

It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.

If anything, I am advocating for a more civil, compassionate worldview.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.

Yes.

He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.

I guess I disagree with the notion that a person's good and bad choices can be balanced on a scale to determine their net worth. To me, a person has worth by virtue of being alive, and having the capacity to love and be loved.
Some people make terrible amounts of hate and pain in the world and it sucks, but I don't see the value in perpetuating the hate and pain.

I don't feel it's perpetuating the hate and pain. I think it's more a case of calling it like it is.

I hear what you are saying and can respect it. I still disagree.

A person has the potential to be worthy just by receiving the gift of life and not even working that hard to be decent; however, if they choose to do horrible things, they don't get a bare pass in my books. They fail.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?

It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.

I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.

Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.

Who knows?

I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.

Completely worthless individual.

It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual"
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.

No,no,no Gambsy.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?

Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)

The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.

Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.

It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.

If anything, I am advocating for a more civil, compassionate worldview.

Same here.

The anger you derive from my tone is spawned from the sorrow I feel for those poor people on that plane. The magnitude and nature of the crime is utterly depressing.

The perpetrator of this evil doesn't get any empathy. He was in full control of events and he saw fit to take the plane and all its passengers down with him- regardless of whatever circumstances spurred him on.

rgambs

I believe in empathy (not sympathy) for everyone, empathy is one of the truly distinctive things about humans.

Annafalk

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Annafalk said:

Insane people will probably always exist, the problem is when the security system fails to catch them.

Society can never escape from insanity. In the event it thought it might, a different version of insanity would present itself.

There will always be deviation from the norm and not always in a good way.

What I mean is that the tests for pilots must get much better if people like this slink through.

rgambs

I hope all the families can find a way to heal and move on in the coming years, it won't be easy.