So this scenario happened in the movie Wild tales why could the movie maker predict this could happen and not the airline company? Two pilots should now always be in the cockpit, why does it have to be an accident first ?
Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me. We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.
What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane? I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok. But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder. Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.
Just because I was explaining that I understand mental illness does not make me an apologist. I don't defend what he did. I don't find it excusable. Mental illness, as I said, was an explanation, but not an excuse.
I understand from the front lines what mental illness does. It fucking sucks when you have to go hunt down a family member almost every night for months and months at a time to see if they are still alive. My brother's mental illness threw him into the need to self medicate, which also threw him into the pool of potential overdose. I had to drive around in some nasty neighborhoods with some pretty unsavory people to try to help my brother.
7 years in college didn't kill my innocent look at life-- dealing with my brother and his mental illness did.
Just because there are people here who can understand mental illness being debilitating doesn't mean that we say that flying a plane full of people into a mountainside is okay.
It's not.
It never will be.
Many around here don't understand the difference between explanation and excuse. It's maddening.
I disagree, terrorists and mass murders are cowards. If they had balls they would go after people who can fight back. They target unsuspecting people without the means to defend against their attack.
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Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me. We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.
What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane? I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok. But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder. Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.
Attempting to understand isn't being apologetic. It does lead to understanding why people do things and maybe minimizing. Think it's going the easy route to just say these people suck but again I understand just human nature. See I'm trying to understand the other position.
On a sidenote I find it very interesting to see the public outrage at the sensationalism of the media. I read today that journalists have been offering money to people, even children, from the hometown of the co-pilot so they say something scripted into the camera or send photos from the funeral to the press. A lot of people are condamning the media for publishing the co-pilots name and photo, not protecting the privacy of his family or friends at all. There is no proof yet of what exactly has happened. Publishing the name and identity of a suspect, is first ignorant of the privacy of the relatives of the deseased, second not helping the discussion of possible scenarios at all and third even possibly dangerous cause it gives a possible murderer a canvas for glorification that others might find attractive to have as well. The vultures of the media are having a feast on the expense of people who are not even involved. It is quite disgusting.
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Yeah he didn't need to kill all those innocent people I'm sure with investigation the answers will come that many red flags were present but just weren't flagged ....
Wow,this site and its apologists never seem to quit amazing me. We prop up terrorists,Criminals,Mass Murderers.Always finding the excuse why they did what they did.Shit John McCain is a more hated villian around here,then someone who offs hundreds.
What about the victims?Whos going to bat for them?What if it was your spouse or child on that plane? I totally get mental Illness.I know it's real and debilitating.I know some see suicide as their only way out.Sure they shit on their kids and family and of course fuck them up mentally for life when they kill themselves.But I'll give you that one solo death ,ok. But taking 300 people with you? FUCK YOU murdering bastard.I don't care what your problem is.No excuse for murder. Damn you would think some of you bleeding hearts would be crying for justice as hundreds of women and young children were vaporized because a Co Pilot had a bad day or daddy issues.
Just because I was explaining that I understand mental illness does not make me an apologist. I don't defend what he did. I don't find it excusable. Mental illness, as I said, was an explanation, but not an excuse.
I understand from the front lines what mental illness does. It fucking sucks when you have to go hunt down a family member almost every night for months and months at a time to see if they are still alive. My brother's mental illness threw him into the need to self medicate, which also threw him into the pool of potential overdose. I had to drive around in some nasty neighborhoods with some pretty unsavory people to try to help my brother.
7 years in college didn't kill my innocent look at life-- dealing with my brother and his mental illness did.
Just because there are people here who can understand mental illness being debilitating doesn't mean that we say that flying a plane full of people into a mountainside is okay.
It's not.
It never will be.
Many around here don't understand the difference between explanation and excuse. It's maddening.
To be fair, many around here don't do a very good job ensuring their posts are clear on the fact they are not excusing something.
Yeah he didn't need to kill all those innocent people I'm sure with investigation the answers will come that many red flags were present but just weren't flagged ....
I'm sure that will be the case, because hindsight is a wonderful thing and so much more accurate than trying to assess a situation in the moment.
We can't control all risk in the world, and this situation is in fact a great example of this. This could never have happened years ago, because it never used to be so difficult to get in to the cockpit. Then we got all worried about terrorists and hijackers and made it near impossible to access the cockpit, and a situation like this occurs. Any action we take to control one risk will have unintended consequences that will increase other risks, including actions we take to screen people in or out.
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if you want to die,die..but taking with you all those people, for me its a murder.. and ofcourse the company who let him drive the plain..
I'm not sold on the company being to blame. It's nearly impossible to know if a guy is suicidal. Hell, police departments do psych evals before hiring and people get by.
this guy had just one test at the beggining of his career and thats it??..the company should examine their pilots more often IMO..the latest news said that he had visions problems also..
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Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
We can agree to disagree.
I think he's a completely worthless individual and you don't.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
No,no,no Gambsy. Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.
Yes.
He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
No,no,no Gambsy. Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
No,no,no Gambsy. Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.
It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.
Yes.
He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.
I guess I disagree with the notion that a person's good and bad choices can be balanced on a scale to determine their net worth. To me, a person has worth by virtue of being alive, and having the capacity to love and be loved. Some people make terrible amounts of hate and pain in the world and it sucks, but I don't see the value in perpetuating the hate and pain.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
No,no,no Gambsy. Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.
It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.
If anything, I am advocating for a more civil, compassionate worldview.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.
Yes.
He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.
I guess I disagree with the notion that a person's good and bad choices can be balanced on a scale to determine their net worth. To me, a person has worth by virtue of being alive, and having the capacity to love and be loved. Some people make terrible amounts of hate and pain in the world and it sucks, but I don't see the value in perpetuating the hate and pain.
I don't feel it's perpetuating the hate and pain. I think it's more a case of calling it like it is.
I hear what you are saying and can respect it. I still disagree.
A person has the potential to be worthy just by receiving the gift of life and not even working that hard to be decent; however, if they choose to do horrible things, they don't get a bare pass in my books. They fail.
Even if the pilot had gotten into the cockpit, what was he going to do?
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
Would he have fought? God knows (can I even say that on here? ). Maybe he would have just sat there blankly as he seems to have done during the whole process. But you have a point, so perhaps I should have said that exact same situation with the pilot being locked out would not have occurred, whether or not he could have halted the dive when he got in there.
Who knows?
I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
It's not that we excuse his behavior it's just that we chafe at phrases like "his little happy place" and "completely worthless individual" You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless. You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
No,no,no Gambsy. Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.
It sure seemed as if you were advocating for someone after you became indignant when this idiot was referred to as 'worthless'.
If anything, I am advocating for a more civil, compassionate worldview.
Same here.
The anger you derive from my tone is spawned from the sorrow I feel for those poor people on that plane. The magnitude and nature of the crime is utterly depressing.
The perpetrator of this evil doesn't get any empathy. He was in full control of events and he saw fit to take the plane and all its passengers down with him- regardless of whatever circumstances spurred him on.
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And no, not all would want him to die if he had survived, although I'll grant you that many would.
a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
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Now see this has been addressed.
We can't control all risk in the world, and this situation is in fact a great example of this. This could never have happened years ago, because it never used to be so difficult to get in to the cockpit. Then we got all worried about terrorists and hijackers and made it near impossible to access the cockpit, and a situation like this occurs. Any action we take to control one risk will have unintended consequences that will increase other risks, including actions we take to screen people in or out.
It's cramped in there and the controls were set for the ground. He would have needed to incapacitate the idiot and correct the crash- not easy to do.
I recognize it was this plane's only hope outside of a change of heart, but I think we can agree that it was hardly the solution.
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I think the only thing relatively safe to say is that the idiot felt secure doing what he did locked away from everyone. He made himself oblivious to the pleas and screams from the other side of the door by locking himself into his little happy place.
Completely worthless individual.
You don't think he was valued by his mother and father, family and friends? He had worth, all humans do. It is a terrible tragedy that he took so many lives, and there is no excusing murder, but that doesn't mean his whole life is worthless.
You pass incredibly heavy, extremely emotional judgements on these boards regularly, you shouldn't be surprised that level heads counter you with rational responses.
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I think he's a completely worthless individual and you don't.
Every ounce of good will this clown built up in his lifetime is washed away and irrelevant the minute he chose to end the lives of everyone on board.Dont you think the people who were murdered were valued by their loved ones?Lots of grieving Moms,Dads,siblings,children.What of their worth.Wont you also consider advocating for them?
Thirty and I agree on most of these issues,and this is no different.The judgement He is passing is correct and warranted.He is no doubt a man of exceptional thinking.:)
The "level Heads" need to wake the fuck up and quit justifying the reasons that lead to mass murder.The Co pilot erased any worth he had in this world upon his decision to mountain side the plane.
He negated anything even remotely positive he may have done with his life the moment he decided on the course of mass murder- firmly establishing himself as nothing more than an ugly blemish on society.
Where do you get the idea that I don't think the people who were murdered weren't valued? Of course I do. Nobody questions that. I am not advocating for anyone, nor am I justifying his actions. Nobody here is justifying, that is absurd. Explanation is not justification by any stretch of the english language.
There will always be deviation from the norm and not always in a good way.
Some people make terrible amounts of hate and pain in the world and it sucks, but I don't see the value in perpetuating the hate and pain.
I hear what you are saying and can respect it. I still disagree.
A person has the potential to be worthy just by receiving the gift of life and not even working that hard to be decent; however, if they choose to do horrible things, they don't get a bare pass in my books. They fail.
The anger you derive from my tone is spawned from the sorrow I feel for those poor people on that plane. The magnitude and nature of the crime is utterly depressing.
The perpetrator of this evil doesn't get any empathy. He was in full control of events and he saw fit to take the plane and all its passengers down with him- regardless of whatever circumstances spurred him on.