"I don't know if the president loves the United States..."

PJfanwillneverleave1

Simply here to interject a quick relief
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+barack+tweet+kimmel&FORM=VIRE4#view=detail&mid=0C4AFE218623E310C2400C4AFE218623E310C240

hedonist

Fucking parties (and what an ironic term).

How about placing blame, focus, on people and their actions when due and warranted?

gimmesometruth27

hedonist said:

Fucking parties (and what an ironic term).

How about placing blame, focus, on people and their actions when due and warranted?

when most of them inhabit one single political party, over time, it becomes impossible to separate the individual(s) from the party.

hedonist

And the ones who don't, who just speak their mind?

It's just weird how accountability toward words, actions - when it comes to politics?

Poof! Back to party.

That glorious, sticky label.

Can separate some, no problem. Others, impossible!

How difficult is it to have a standard of character, and get rid of the doubles?

We're not reaching or hoping for something so different, are we?

backseatLover12

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

rr165892 said:

backseatLover12 said:

hedonist said:

callen said:

badbrains said:

Seems to me that he's the ONLY one in DC doing ANYTHING. And I'm not a huge supporter. But let's be real here, who's been more of a disappointment? The clowns of the GOP or the potus?

Doesn't matter, Obama's a Muslim. Born in Nigeria. Supported by dope smoking pinko liberals and he's black.

This president has done more good for the common American than any president in my lifetime but doesn't matter. Republicans have better funded marketing program exploiting human weaknesses.

This is the kind of response on which I call smelly, unmitigated bullshit.

Not (only) here, but in just sharing ideas and thoughts on this country, how it's run and by whom, any iota of criticism (or, as is always encouraged, "critical" thought) is dismissed to being blind, biased, bigoted.

God forbid true thoughts and paths of communication are attempted.

Fuck that.

I don't know, I have had many legitimate concerns in this thread, begging for someone to prove me wrong or at least help me with that objective perspective of living in the U.S.

It's not a right or wrong as someone else said its how we the individual view it.And how we choose to act based on our circumstances.Im sure the view is a lot different at all ends of the socioeconomic scale,race scale and where we live geographically.
There is always room for improvement on all levels,always work to be done to make life ,ourselves and our country better.

Not this again, man. It's an objective big-picture perspective of the big issues going on in this country, not my personal perspective of how I view life.

No shit.I didn't imply it was a personal view.But you asked for objective perspective.Does not not fly if I don't put enough gloom and doom in it.

It does not fly if you refuse to be objective. Not to be confused with simply being negative. There is a difference you know, but pages of trying to get you to understand this is proving fruitless.

callen

gimmesometruth27 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Aren't people looking back on the Clinton administration and blaming his policy on the economic collapse in 2007?

I thought Obama was to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong in Amurrica

i did too.

but let's just keep blaming democratic presidents for everything.

considering republicans have been dead wrong on every issue the last 30 years....

Gimmie, Perspective man. Republicans have done incredibly well for defense corporations and the top 1%.

Find it silly that we shouldn't point out how many see Obama as this evil dictator that has caused all these problems posted in thread Titled "he doesn't love this country" a phrase used to directly influence or gain support from Americans that believe this. Message directed at large group of Americans that utterly despise their president being black. Add. He's liberal hippy dope smoker.

And of course all that don't support are like this. Arghh

rr165892

rgambs said:

NAFTA was a bad deal for sure.

I was going to bring that up,also

HughFreakingDillon

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/life/faith/why-does-obama-avoid-mentioning-islamic-terrorism-ask-bushs-speechwriter-293475701.html?cx_navSource=d-popular-views

Why does Obama avoid mentioning 'Islamic' terrorism? Ask Bush's speechwriter

By: Alexander Panetta, The Canadian Press


WASHINGTON - Why is President Barack Obama so hesitant to talk about Islamic extremism — the question is being raised repeatedly these days by many of his Republican opponents who accuse him of chronic political correctness or, worse, of softness on terrorism.

But a sympathetic answer in support of the president came Sunday from a slightly surprising place: the former chief speechwriter of ex-president George W. Bush.

The scribe who held the pen in the post-9-11 years during Bush's war on terror explained why he thinks the current president is right to tone down the talk about Islam.

And Michael Gerson didn't flinch when asked whether Obama and Bush had a similar approach. When it comes to talking about Islam, he said, they're indistinguishable.

"You are right," Gerson replied during a segment on NBC's Meet the Press. "There is a remarkable consistency between the previous administration and this one. And for a certain reason."

The reason, he said, is that the fight against ISIL must be seen as a fight of free people against violent extremists, not as a clash of religions and civilizations.

He said the latter is precisely the fight ISIL wants. And he said it would keep crucial Muslim allies from siding with the West in the fight against the terror group.

That's one reason Bush and Obama have avoided references to radical Islam, and the next president will too, he predicted: "Any future president will do this, I promise. You need Muslim allies in the war on terror. You can't alienate them. The Jordanians, the Turks, or others — these are important allies, and your language matters."

He illustrated his point by offering examples of the "Bush/Obama approach" in a piece in the Washington Post.

He included snippets of Bush speeches from the 2000s that could just as easily have been delivered by Obama. After 9-11, Bush said: "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam." Years later, he noted, Bush said it was radicals spreading the word that the current conflicts were about America against Islam and added: "I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace."

Gerson asked critics how they'd expect to blast Islam, and then hope to retain the military support of the King of Jordan, who claims to be a 43rd-generation descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. "Some of the president's critics," he said, "are blithely recommending a massive, unforced geostrategic blunder."

The current White House avoids putting the anti-terrorism struggle in religious terms, other than to speak of terrorists as people with a warped interpretation of Islam.

This week Obama laid out his rationale. He told an anti-extremism conference that it's an "ugly lie," and a counter-productive one, to feed the idea that the West is at war with Islam. He said terrorists can't be allowed any legitimacy as religious defenders: "They're not religious leaders, they're terrorists."

But several members of his Republican party are decidedly more aggressive in talking about Islam. And they've called out the president for his verbal mildness.

The most attention-grabbing response this week came from former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, who looked at Obama's criticisms of the U.S. and reluctance to criticize Islam and offered his conclusion that the president doesn't love America.

In Canada, the Harper government may be much more aggressive than the Obama administration in raising the threat of terrorism but, when speaking about Islam itself, the differences are subtler. The Harper government casts the current anti-terror struggle as a fight against violent "jihadists."

A Canadian cabinet minister attending an anti-radicalization summit last week in Washington cast the differences between the governments as rhetorical, not substantive.

"There could be nuances in the delivery," Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney said in an interview.

"But on the substance we are — as President Obama said (at the conference) — we're all in the same boat."

gimmesometruth27

good read. thanks for posting.

mrussel1

Michael Gerson is typically level headed. But isn't this common sense? Isn't is common sense that to beat a small, but noisy faction of radicals, you can't attempt to alienate the whole of a religion? I mean, is half the country really as dumb, strategically, as Molly White, (R, Belton, TX) who:
Freshman state Rep. Molly White, R-Belton, is not in Austin today to celebrate Texas Muslim Capitol Day. But she left instructions for the staff in her Capitol office on how to handle visitors who are, including asking them to declare allegiance to the United States.

"I did leave an Israeli flag on the reception desk in my office with instructions to staff to ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws," she posted on Facebook. "We will see how long they stay in my office."

I'm sure there's some irony in someone asking for a pledge of allegiance over the Israeli flag, but...maybe not.

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

Michael Gerson is typically level headed. But isn't this common sense? Isn't is common sense that to beat a small, but noisy faction of radicals, you can't attempt to alienate the whole of a religion? I mean, is half the country really as dumb, strategically, as Molly White, (R, Belton, TX) who:
Freshman state Rep. Molly White, R-Belton, is not in Austin today to celebrate Texas Muslim Capitol Day. But she left instructions for the staff in her Capitol office on how to handle visitors who are, including asking them to declare allegiance to the United States.

"I did leave an Israeli flag on the reception desk in my office with instructions to staff to ask representatives from the Muslim community to renounce Islamic terrorist groups and publicly announce allegiance to America and our laws," she posted on Facebook. "We will see how long they stay in my office."

I'm sure there's some irony in someone asking for a pledge of allegiance over the Israeli flag, but...maybe not.

everything is bigger in texas. idiocy apparently being no exception.

callen

Belton lake has some great large mouth bass fishing. And considerable population with Impeach Obama stickers next to rebel flag on back of their pickups. Yee haw.

rgambs

I hate seeing a Confederate flag. I always want to ask the bearer what it means.

Tuned into the Savage Nation conservative talk radio show on the way home... Here's a few gems from our right wing geniuses:
The host said "This is clearly a socialist, communist, Islamist administration" and "This will be a third world nation when he is done with us"
Caller: "I have no doubt Obama is a Muslim and he truly hates America"
Another caller: "We are lucky he hasn't turned our own nukes on us"

backseatLover12

What a pained life it must be to live with such hate and in such fear of the world.

callen

rgambs said:

I hate seeing a Confederate flag. I always want to ask the bearer what it means.

Tuned into the Savage Nation conservative talk radio show on the way home... Here's a few gems from our right wing geniuses:
The host said "This is clearly a socialist, communist, Islamist administration" and "This will be a third world nation when he is done with us"
Caller: "I have no doubt Obama is a Muslim and he truly hates America"
Another caller: "We are lucky he hasn't turned our own nukes on us"

Stop putting people in a box like they are all racists.

callen

backseatLover12 said:

What a pained life it must be to live with such hate and in such fear of the world.

They have to justify their realities of having a black president.

mrussel1

rgambs said:

I hate seeing a Confederate flag. I always want to ask the bearer what it means.

Tuned into the Savage Nation conservative talk radio show on the way home... Here's a few gems from our right wing geniuses:
The host said "This is clearly a socialist, communist, Islamist administration" and "This will be a third world nation when he is done with us"
Caller: "I have no doubt Obama is a Muslim and he truly hates America"
Another caller: "We are lucky he hasn't turned our own nukes on us"

It's interesting that a communist president is a Muslim, considering Communists are against all forms of organized religion. Now don't forget he was also a radicalized Christian, under Jeremiah Wright. So in short he's a:

Radical Christian, Muslim, Kenyan born, Godless Communist. Did I get them all?

Smellyman

Is it possible republican voters are devolving? The rest of the world sure seems to be leaving them behind. Idiocracy is coming to fruition.

They are easy pickings for republican politicians. Stir them up and watch them foam at the mouth or give them hard ons talking about war/guns.

rr165892

rgambs said:

I hate seeing a Confederate flag. I always want to ask the bearer what it means.

Tuned into the Savage Nation conservative talk radio show on the way home... Here's a few gems from our right wing geniuses:
The host said "This is clearly a socialist, communist, Islamist administration" and "This will be a third world nation when he is done with us"
Caller: "I have no doubt Obama is a Muslim and he truly hates America"
Another caller: "We are lucky he hasn't turned our own nukes on us"

I see those flags all day long.Mostly plates and stickers.Usually accompanied by other stupid shit.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

I hate seeing a Confederate flag. I always want to ask the bearer what it means.

Tuned into the Savage Nation conservative talk radio show on the way home... Here's a few gems from our right wing geniuses:
The host said "This is clearly a socialist, communist, Islamist administration" and "This will be a third world nation when he is done with us"
Caller: "I have no doubt Obama is a Muslim and he truly hates America"
Another caller: "We are lucky he hasn't turned our own nukes on us"

I see those flags all day long.Mostly plates and stickers.Usually accompanied by other stupid shit.

I wonder what statement people think they are making with those...