Bruce Jenner - WTF?????????????????

PJ_Soul

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Just seen Cait has a new TV show.

Didn't see that coming.

I wouldn't normally watch such a show (wouldn't watch the Kardashians), but since I am really interested in the issues related to equality and acceptance for transgendered people, I watched the first episode. Her and her mother and sisters met with a trans councellor so that her very old mother could better understand what was happening, and why, and how to deal with it. And it really did seem to enlighten her. It also showed us what her worries and fears were about her son's transition. Caitlyn also went and visited the family of a boy who had recently killed himself because of his struggles with being transgendered (The mother ASKED him to come, btw, and he spent a lot of effort making sure no paparazzi followed him to her house. He switched cars 3 times on the way to evade them). All in all, it really does seem to be a show that is genuinely trying to reach transgendered youth to help them deal with it, to stop all the suicides (that issue is brought up several times just in one episode), as well bring awareness to the general public in an effort to build understanding and acceptance, and I applaud that very much. It's fairly groundbreaking IMO.

Last-12-Exit

He really wanted to go through this privately. I'm losing more respect for this woman daily.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

He really wanted to go through this privately. I'm losing more respect for this woman daily.

Why? How could you say that after what I just said? Why are you SO offended by her being public when that is allowing her to get out a really positive message?? It is VERY obvious that she's totally sincere about that cause. Whether she's making money or not, why does that offend you when she is legitimately helping a cause? I just don't get it. I think your biases are getting in the way of seeing the reality of it, TBH.

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PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

He really wanted to go through this privately. I'm losing more respect for this woman daily.

Why? How could you say that after what I just said? Why are you SO offended by her being public when that is allowing her to get out a really positive message?? It is VERY obvious that she's totally sincere about that cause. Whether she's making money or not, why does that offend you when she is legitimately helping a cause? I just don't get it. I think your biases are getting in the way of seeing the reality of it, TBH.

I don't think he's sincere at all. He used this transgender as a springboard to revitalize her career. Jenner said very candidly that she wanted to stay private. Yet since that interview, she's been on tv daily.

What bias are you speaking of? How can I say something after what you just said?

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I'm not offended at all. I don't have to have respect for her because she came out. She said one thing and doing the exact opposite.

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

He really wanted to go through this privately. I'm losing more respect for this woman daily.

Why? How could you say that after what I just said? Why are you SO offended by her being public when that is allowing her to get out a really positive message?? It is VERY obvious that she's totally sincere about that cause. Whether she's making money or not, why does that offend you when she is legitimately helping a cause? I just don't get it. I think your biases are getting in the way of seeing the reality of it, TBH.

I don't think he's sincere at all. He used this transgender as a springboard to revitalize her career. Jenner said very candidly that she wanted to stay private. Yet since that interview, she's been on tv daily.

What bias are you speaking of? How can I say something after what you just said?

No, I didn't mean a bias against transgendered people, lol. I was talking about your bias against reality TV.
And I don't know how you can say you don't think he's sincere. I really don't think you've seen enough to judge that. You're just making a huge assumption. If you were paying more attention, you'd see that there is no way she's not sincere about her cause. As for the staying private thing... I think you took it out of context. I think she said that in a "in a different life, I'd like to stay private" kind of way. No fucking way could she stay private in the life she already had if she tried.

FoxyRedLa

Come after me with a pitch fork if you must. But I don't think Bruce is sending out any positive messages. Legitimately helping a cause doesn't fit either.

My opinion has nothing to do with gender or preferences or straight or gay or trans or any other labels. Actions speak louder than words. And Hollywood is a lot of smoke and mirrors.

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PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

He really wanted to go through this privately. I'm losing more respect for this woman daily.

Why? How could you say that after what I just said? Why are you SO offended by her being public when that is allowing her to get out a really positive message?? It is VERY obvious that she's totally sincere about that cause. Whether she's making money or not, why does that offend you when she is legitimately helping a cause? I just don't get it. I think your biases are getting in the way of seeing the reality of it, TBH.

I don't think he's sincere at all. He used this transgender as a springboard to revitalize her career. Jenner said very candidly that she wanted to stay private. Yet since that interview, she's been on tv daily.

What bias are you speaking of? How can I say something after what you just said?

No, I didn't mean a bias against transgendered people, lol. I was talking about your bias against reality TV.
And I don't know how you can say you don't think he's sincere. I really don't think you've seen enough to judge that. You're just making a huge assumption. If you were paying more attention, you'd see that there is no way she's not sincere about her cause. As for the staying private thing... I think you took it out of context. I think she said that in a "in a different life, I'd like to stay private" kind of way. No fucking way could she stay private in the life she already had if she tried.

Yes, reality TV is the lowest form of entertainment. Non talented people reading scripts from producers is not good television. But that doesn't change what I think about jenner. Very hypocritical to say you want to stay private and then can't stay out of a cameras way since. Not just tv shows, but magazines and interviews as well.

PJ_Soul

Again, I believe you are taking the statement out of context.
I personally don't give a flying fuck of something is scripted if the message is good and helpful. I don't see why you would either. I mean, what is the difference between thst and a regular tv show?? They follow scripts too.

Foxy, don't you think that discussions of the struggles the people go through, and about the things that many people find confusing about being transgendered, being broadcast on national TV is a redeeming thing?? I don't understand how youbwpuodn't see that as a positive.
To be clear, I am not a big Jenner fan or anything. I am simply a champion of these issues. And as someone who cares very much about that, I assure you, something good is actually coming from that show abound Bruce being public with his transition. For sure. In fact, he is probably saving some lives. Literally.

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PJ_Soul said:

Again, I believe you are taking the statement out of context.
I personally don't give a flying fuck of something is scripted if the message is good and helpful. I don't see why you would either. I mean, what is the difference between thst and a regular tv show?? They follow scripts too.

Foxy, don't you think that discussions of the struggles the people go through, and about the things that many people find confusing about being transgendered, being broadcast on national TV is a redeeming thing?? I don't understand how youbwpuodn't see that as a positive.
To be clear, I am not a big Jenner fan or anything. I am simply a champion of these issues. And as someone who cares very much about that, I assure you, something good is actually coming from that show abound Bruce being public with his transition. For sure. In fact, he is probably saving some lives. Literally.

Ehh. Sure but somehow you refuse to see her hypocrisy.

PJ_Soul

Actually no, I don't. This privacy thing I just don't agree with. I don't think that's what she meant. But please don't mistake my defense of her message as a defense of her overall reality TV life. I just am able to separate the two.

(PS - I think dog fighting and WMA and bull fighting and extremely violent video games porn are all lower forms of entertainment than reality tv, lol. ).

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PJ_Soul said:

Actually no, I don't. This privacy thing I just don't agree with. I don't think that's what she meant. But please don't mistake my defense of her message as a defense of her overall reality TV life. I just am able to separate the two.

(PS - I think dog fighting and WMA and bull fighting and extremely violent video games porn are all lower forms of entertainment than reality tv, lol. ).

Whoa whoa who, stop the clock. Leave porn out of this. It's way better than reality tv.

PJ_Soul

Lol. My personal sensibilities aren't offended by porn, but now that internet porn is a thing, yikes. It is SUCH a terrible influence for impressionable young men as they develop their own sexuality. Now that it's accessible to young people, I have a way harsher opinion of it than I used to.

WhatYouTaughtMe

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Actually no, I don't. This privacy thing I just don't agree with. I don't think that's what she meant. But please don't mistake my defense of her message as a defense of her overall reality TV life. I just am able to separate the two.

(PS - I think dog fighting and WMA and bull fighting and extremely violent video games porn are all lower forms of entertainment than reality tv, lol. ).

Whoa whoa who, stop the clock. Leave porn out of this. It's way better than reality tv.

+1

FoxyRedLa

PJ_Soul said:

Again, I believe you are taking the statement out of context.
I personally don't give a flying fuck of something is scripted if the message is good and helpful. I don't see why you would either. I mean, what is the difference between thst and a regular tv show?? They follow scripts too.

Foxy, don't you think that discussions of the struggles the people go through, and about the things that many people find confusing about being transgendered, being broadcast on national TV is a redeeming thing?? I don't understand how youbwpuodn't see that as a positive.
To be clear, I am not a big Jenner fan or anything. I am simply a champion of these issues. And as someone who cares very much about that, I assure you, something good is actually coming from that show abound Bruce being public with his transition. For sure. In fact, he is probably saving some lives. Literally.

I'm not against discussions of struggles or being confused - Dr Phil it up by all means. Bruce a positive in this equation...ehh..uhhh....hmmm

Lizard

RKCNDY said:

FoxyRedLa said:

peepers. When did Jenner get breasts? When was that picture taken? I didn't watch the interview, did he have breasts for the big talk?

He got 'B' cup breasts from taking female hormones back in the early 90s...before he met Kris.

well shit.. i need to take some hormones

RKCNDY

PJ_Soul said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Just seen Cait has a new TV show.

Didn't see that coming.

I wouldn't normally watch such a show (wouldn't watch the Kardashians), but since I am really interested in the issues related to equality and acceptance for transgendered people, I watched the first episode. Her and her mother and sisters met with a trans councellor so that her very old mother could better understand what was happening, and why, and how to deal with it. And it really did seem to enlighten her. It also showed us what her worries and fears were about her son's transition. Caitlyn also went and visited the family of a boy who had recently killed himself because of his struggles with being transgendered (The mother ASKED him to come, btw, and he spent a lot of effort making sure no paparazzi followed him to her house. He switched cars 3 times on the way to evade them). All in all, it really does seem to be a show that is genuinely trying to reach transgendered youth to help them deal with it, to stop all the suicides (that issue is brought up several times just in one episode), as well bring awareness to the general public in an effort to build understanding and acceptance, and I applaud that very much. It's fairly groundbreaking IMO.

I haven't watched her show, I decided to watch the one on TLC with the little girl...Jazz. She knew since she was something like 3 or 4, and one of the shows I saw was about her going to the doctor to decide if she wanted to start hormone blockers. I think that show is a little more realistic, she is a regular kid with a regular family.

Caitlyn on the other hand, has a team of make-up artists, wardrobe, and whoever else to make sure she looks awesome (though, I think she still walks like a dude, she needs to stop that), that's not realistic for most transgenders. Not saying her show can't help, but I can see how people can criticize her, and how some people won't be able to relate. I will watch it at some point just because I'm curious.

PJ_Soul

That's true, but to give her credit, she brings that up and acknowledges the she is way more advantaged than most people when it comes to this issue. She's not going around acting like everyone should do what she could. Honestly... not much to criticize about this show so far.

Jason P

Blah, blah ...

RKCNDY

Seems people aren't relating... http://www.examiner.com/article/caitlyn-jenner-extremely-upset-over-ratings-of-i-am-cait?ref=yfp