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I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
people aren't always mocked for their opinion, but when they look down on others and tell them that their opinion/faith is truth/fact, that's when that person is attacked, and rightly so.
anyone who presents their opinion as fact without any proof, in addition to claiming they are enlightened and others are not, is ignorant. and that person can and will be called as such.
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Moore...balls? Yes, balls (guts. nerve whatever you want to call it). I can say anything I want here and no one with any pull in the world will give one tiny shit. None. Nada. Why should they? I'm just some old fuck on a rock and roll web site going blah blah blah. But when someone like Moore says something people don't want to hear you better believe someone cares. Yeah, balls. Saying "Fuck Michale Moore"- that takes no balls. That is weak.
posting something on the internet that may or may not offend someone and may or may not get you much-wanted attention that may or may not help your career is not balls. it's opportunistic. and in many cases, completely stupid.
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"Opportunistic" is a great word to describe Moore. He rarely misses one.___________________________________________
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Cannot disagree with that at all; I just wish that mindset and response were consistently applied, you know?paulonious wrote: »I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
people aren't always mocked for their opinion, but when they look down on others and tell them that their opinion/faith is truth/fact, that's when that person is attacked, and rightly so.
anyone who presents their opinion as fact without any proof, in addition to claiming they are enlightened and others are not, is ignorant. and that person can and will be called as such.
Also, much agreed with your comment after the above.
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I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
Nicely said Hedonist!
I rarely feel the need to comment on posts because this is a group that has widely varying perspectives and most seem to keep up with current events and have interesting thoughts about all these topics so I just check in to see those varying perspectives. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Moore and I haven't seen American Sniper yet, I have to wonder if our current round of soldiers do have some culpability in the war machine. I have the utmost respect for the men and women who risk their lives and are sent by the powers that be to fight various enemies around the world for a war they didn't create. But this is, and has been for a long while, a volunteer army. When you sign up you know that there is a good possibility that you have to fight and kill and probably go against your own moral code. Why choose that? No idea if that's what Moore meant but that is the question that keeps popping up in my mind as I read this thread.
As the child of a Vietnam vet who suffered for over 40 years from untreated PTSD, I think these are conversations that should happen because the mental damage done to these soldiers is profound. And they affect everyone not just the soldier. If we have the conversation, then perhaps our government wouldn't be so eager to engage in war. Perhaps our children wouldn't be so eager to sign up for the military if recruiters had to be really honest with these kids about what it really entails - not just free college and good job skills training.Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
Nicely said Hedonist!
I rarely feel the need to comment on posts because this is a group that has widely varying perspectives and most seem to keep up with current events and have interesting thoughts about all these topics so I just check in to see those varying perspectives. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Moore and I haven't seen American Sniper yet, I have to wonder if our current round of soldiers do have some culpability in the war machine. I have the utmost respect for the men and women who risk their lives and are sent by the powers that be to fight various enemies around the world for a war they didn't create. But this is, and has been for a long while, a volunteer army. When you sign up you know that there is a good possibility that you have to fight and kill and probably go against your own moral code. Why choose that? No idea if that's what Moore meant but that is the question that keeps popping up in my mind as I read this thread.
As the child of a Vietnam vet who suffered for over 40 years from untreated PTSD, I think these are conversations that should happen because the mental damage done to these soldiers is profound. And they affect everyone not just the soldier. If we have the conversation, then perhaps our government wouldn't be so eager to engage in war. Perhaps our children wouldn't be so eager to sign up for the military if recruiters had to be really honest with these kids about what it really entails - not just free college and good job skills training.
and riding in a tank to a Godsmack tune.
I think many enter the army because economically it's the only thing that makes sense for them. or they have a long family tradition of serving, and they feel it is in their lineage to "serve in the family business". and some literally get all caught up in the hero propaganda machine.
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what moore did took balls. what moore did, did not take balls.
but...
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paulonious wrote: »I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
Nicely said Hedonist!
I rarely feel the need to comment on posts because this is a group that has widely varying perspectives and most seem to keep up with current events and have interesting thoughts about all these topics so I just check in to see those varying perspectives. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Moore and I haven't seen American Sniper yet, I have to wonder if our current round of soldiers do have some culpability in the war machine. I have the utmost respect for the men and women who risk their lives and are sent by the powers that be to fight various enemies around the world for a war they didn't create. But this is, and has been for a long while, a volunteer army. When you sign up you know that there is a good possibility that you have to fight and kill and probably go against your own moral code. Why choose that? No idea if that's what Moore meant but that is the question that keeps popping up in my mind as I read this thread.
As the child of a Vietnam vet who suffered for over 40 years from untreated PTSD, I think these are conversations that should happen because the mental damage done to these soldiers is profound. And they affect everyone not just the soldier. If we have the conversation, then perhaps our government wouldn't be so eager to engage in war. Perhaps our children wouldn't be so eager to sign up for the military if recruiters had to be really honest with these kids about what it really entails - not just free college and good job skills training.
and riding in a tank to a Godsmack tune.
I think many enter the army because economically it's the only thing that makes sense for them. or they have a long family tradition of serving, and they feel it is in their lineage to "serve in the family business". and some literally get all caught up in the hero propaganda machine.
Is that the only two reasons that "they" have for joining as you see it?0 -
paulonious wrote: »I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
Nicely said Hedonist!
I rarely feel the need to comment on posts because this is a group that has widely varying perspectives and most seem to keep up with current events and have interesting thoughts about all these topics so I just check in to see those varying perspectives. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Moore and I haven't seen American Sniper yet, I have to wonder if our current round of soldiers do have some culpability in the war machine. I have the utmost respect for the men and women who risk their lives and are sent by the powers that be to fight various enemies around the world for a war they didn't create. But this is, and has been for a long while, a volunteer army. When you sign up you know that there is a good possibility that you have to fight and kill and probably go against your own moral code. Why choose that? No idea if that's what Moore meant but that is the question that keeps popping up in my mind as I read this thread.
As the child of a Vietnam vet who suffered for over 40 years from untreated PTSD, I think these are conversations that should happen because the mental damage done to these soldiers is profound. And they affect everyone not just the soldier. If we have the conversation, then perhaps our government wouldn't be so eager to engage in war. Perhaps our children wouldn't be so eager to sign up for the military if recruiters had to be really honest with these kids about what it really entails - not just free college and good job skills training.
and riding in a tank to a Godsmack tune.
I think many enter the army because economically it's the only thing that makes sense for them. or they have a long family tradition of serving, and they feel it is in their lineage to "serve in the family business". and some literally get all caught up in the hero propaganda machine.
I don't see kids wanting to follow in their parents footsteps as a negative. I would think they get a detailed briefing from their family as to what they are getting into.0 -
backseatLover12 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »He uttered an opinion. What he said doesn't make it the truth.
It's HIS truth. And he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of it. And that angers people. That's the point.
Just to jump on this again, does it make it truth when people say racist remarks? They believe them to be true. When Ahmadinejad said the holocaust never happened is that the truth? It his belief not a truth.
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Dirtie_Frank wrote: »backseatLover12 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »He uttered an opinion. What he said doesn't make it the truth.
It's HIS truth. And he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of it. And that angers people. That's the point.
Just to jump on this again, does it make it truth when people say racist remarks? They believe them to be true. When Ahmadinejad said the holocaust never happened is that the truth? It his belief not a truth.
Back in the day when this guy was headlines Jay Leno referred to him as Mahmoud I'm A Nut Job.0 -
Dirtie_Frank wrote: »backseatLover12 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »He uttered an opinion. What he said doesn't make it the truth.
It's HIS truth. And he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of it. And that angers people. That's the point.
Just to jump on this again, does it make it truth when people say racist remarks? They believe them to be true. When Ahmadinejad said the holocaust never happened is that the truth? It his belief not a truth.
Saying it is someone's belief is the same as saying it is their truth, not THE truth.
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bsL, I don't give a shit if he (or anyone) gives not a rat's ass nor shit what others think; that's never been my point of this, and honestly, I wish that were the norm for more people.
Speak your mind! I'd rather know where people stand, where their heart and mind lie, than keep it hidden or danced around.
And I'll not set aside my right to applaud or critique it or anywhere in between - myself included.0 -
paulonious wrote: »Dirtie_Frank wrote: »backseatLover12 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »He uttered an opinion. What he said doesn't make it the truth.
It's HIS truth. And he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of it. And that angers people. That's the point.
Just to jump on this again, does it make it truth when people say racist remarks? They believe them to be true. When Ahmadinejad said the holocaust never happened is that the truth? It his belief not a truth.
Saying it is someone's belief is the same as saying it is their truth, not THE truth.
Thank you Paul, yes. And yeah, when you make racist remarks you're speaking the truth. You're a racist. But if you swear out loud that you're not a racist, yet deep down you are, you're not speaking your truth. It would be better for all of us to stop the phoniness and just be who we really are. Ugly, yes, but truthful.0 -
bsL, I don't give a shit if he (or anyone) gives not a rat's ass nor shit what others think; that's never been my point of this, and honestly, I wish that were the norm for more people.
Speak your mind! I'd rather know where people stand, where their heart and mind lie, than keep it hidden or danced around.
And I'll not set aside my right to applaud or critique it or anywhere in between - myself included.
Me too, hedonist. I know so many people who are other what they appear to be. And that drives me crazy. Just be your freaking self so we are not disillusioned.0 -
My data was out so I couldn't jump in on thos thread but it has been a pleasure catching up.
Lots of good stuff. Some folks posted some disturbing comments that place Iraqi lives below American lives... I was pretty surprised at how much nationalist zeal and glorification of war there is to be found in a forum for lovers of such anti-war scions as Pearl Jam. Sort of reminded me of the early 2000's, when our nationalism was strong and deluded, like the soviets of old or the national socialists, or NK today.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Last-12-Exit wrote: »paulonious wrote: »I remember on some thread about god, a poster spoke of her "truths" and was mocked for daring to speak her mind. Here, in this little place, I for one, did / do give a shit about that and many other comments by said poster as well as by other posters on a plethora of topics.
I'm willing to hear all views, whether by those who are "celebrated" or not. I'm also free to discount or disagree with those stances, and declare "no balls for you!"
(who's to say we aren't doing something useful while speaking OUR minds? Not mutually-exclusive and actions need not be flaunted to have an impact)
Moore essentially said "fuck snipers", by the way.
Balls to the wall!
Nicely said Hedonist!
I rarely feel the need to comment on posts because this is a group that has widely varying perspectives and most seem to keep up with current events and have interesting thoughts about all these topics so I just check in to see those varying perspectives. While I'm no longer a huge fan of Moore and I haven't seen American Sniper yet, I have to wonder if our current round of soldiers do have some culpability in the war machine. I have the utmost respect for the men and women who risk their lives and are sent by the powers that be to fight various enemies around the world for a war they didn't create. But this is, and has been for a long while, a volunteer army. When you sign up you know that there is a good possibility that you have to fight and kill and probably go against your own moral code. Why choose that? No idea if that's what Moore meant but that is the question that keeps popping up in my mind as I read this thread.
As the child of a Vietnam vet who suffered for over 40 years from untreated PTSD, I think these are conversations that should happen because the mental damage done to these soldiers is profound. And they affect everyone not just the soldier. If we have the conversation, then perhaps our government wouldn't be so eager to engage in war. Perhaps our children wouldn't be so eager to sign up for the military if recruiters had to be really honest with these kids about what it really entails - not just free college and good job skills training.
and riding in a tank to a Godsmack tune.
I think many enter the army because economically it's the only thing that makes sense for them. or they have a long family tradition of serving, and they feel it is in their lineage to "serve in the family business". and some literally get all caught up in the hero propaganda machine.
I don't see kids wanting to follow in their parents footsteps as a negative. I would think they get a detailed briefing from their family as to what they are getting into.
Unless they'v been so shattered by their experiences that they can't remember a great deal of it then I highly doubt the kids would get the full briefing that they need.Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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The Juggler wrote: »what moore did took balls. what moore did, did not take balls.
but...
were they deflated?
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paulonious wrote: »Dirtie_Frank wrote: »backseatLover12 wrote: »Last-12-Exit wrote: »He uttered an opinion. What he said doesn't make it the truth.
It's HIS truth. And he doesn't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of it. And that angers people. That's the point.
Just to jump on this again, does it make it truth when people say racist remarks? They believe them to be true. When Ahmadinejad said the holocaust never happened is that the truth? It his belief not a truth.
Saying it is someone's belief is the same as saying it is their truth, not THE truth.
But don't you think it dilutes and obfuscates the word `truth`? We don't get our own, that is the beauty of truth
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