legalized marijuana thread

jeffbr

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

I would say the added revenue is a main issue as is the enormous costs we pay to enforce these archaic rules. If people are going to do it and buy it why not tax it make money than spend billions putting people in jail for a plant that will grow in almost any climate. And yes the alcohol discussion will always come up as it is a very hypocritical thing for drinkers to be against legalization.

7-10 billion spent annually enforcing marijuana laws. At least according to the website I was on. So ok, lets legalize it in smaller amounts(say what? an ounce is legal to carry around?) Legalize it as far as being able to grow a few plants at your residence? Lets get rid of all the laws pertaining to a small possession being illegal.

But still make it illegal to smoke your dope outside? Does that seem fair? In other words you cant walk down the street smoking your pot?

That's about it? Right?

Make it equal to alcohol. You cant walk down the street drinking in most cities in public places. Age 21 and up to buy or possess. I don't believe in adding a rule on how much you can have. If this was legal it would be produced at such a cheap level there wouldn't be any need to mass purchase. Do we bust people for having a keg in their home when a 12 pack would do?

What is your take as far as drug testing at work? From what I understand, anyone in Colorado who smokes their dope, still has to obey the workplace laws that are in place, as far as drug testing. Meaning you can buy your dope legally, you can go home and smoke it legally, but if you go to work and fail a drug test? Well, you just lost your job.

What are your opinions on that issue? Should/would drug testing laws have to be changed if pot were legalized in all states?

Employers should still (and do in WA and CO) have a right to drug test and deny employment or terminate employment if the employee violates workplace policies. I'd like to see better tests developed for MJ so that intoxication is measured, rather than trace amounts which would have no impact on job performance (or wouldn't cause a sober user of MJ to fail a roadside test and get a DUI). If they are impaired they shouldn't drive or be at work. I don't care whether the impairment is from lack of sleep, alcohol, MJ, prescription meds, etc..

But as others have stated - treat it like alcohol. Illegal to consume on the streets, illegal to be under the influence while driving, illegal to sell to minors, controlled the way cigarette and alcohol sales are, I don't think anyone in this thread is looking for MJ to be treated any differently than other "legal" recreational drugs.

Amongst the Ani

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

I would say the added revenue is a main issue as is the enormous costs we pay to enforce these archaic rules. If people are going to do it and buy it why not tax it make money than spend billions putting people in jail for a plant that will grow in almost any climate. And yes the alcohol discussion will always come up as it is a very hypocritical thing for drinkers to be against legalization.

7-10 billion spent annually enforcing marijuana laws. At least according to the website I was on. So ok, lets legalize it in smaller amounts(say what? an ounce is legal to carry around?) Legalize it as far as being able to grow a few plants at your residence? Lets get rid of all the laws pertaining to a small possession being illegal.

But still make it illegal to smoke your dope outside? Does that seem fair? In other words you cant walk down the street smoking your pot?

That's about it? Right?

Make it equal to alcohol. You cant walk down the street drinking in most cities in public places. Age 21 and up to buy or possess. I don't believe in adding a rule on how much you can have. If this was legal it would be produced at such a cheap level there wouldn't be any need to mass purchase. Do we bust people for having a keg in their home when a 12 pack would do?

What is your take as far as drug testing at work? From what I understand, anyone in Colorado who smokes their dope, still has to obey the workplace laws that are in place, as far as drug testing. Meaning you can buy your dope legally, you can go home and smoke it legally, but if you go to work and fail a drug test? Well, you just lost your job.

What are your opinions on that issue? Should/would drug testing laws have to be changed if pot were legalized in all states?

I agree to leave it up to the employers. If I come into work drunk off my ass I will be fired. Same should go for weed. The main thing we need to do to make all this work on is finding a way to test for impairment while driving. Weed stays in your system for 30 days on a constant user so there is no real way to determine what is old molecules and what is causing impairment. Colorado was working on a standard but everything I read was bad about it. Maybe the CO fans can update on how that is going?

jeffbr

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

I would say the added revenue is a main issue as is the enormous costs we pay to enforce these archaic rules. If people are going to do it and buy it why not tax it make money than spend billions putting people in jail for a plant that will grow in almost any climate. And yes the alcohol discussion will always come up as it is a very hypocritical thing for drinkers to be against legalization.

7-10 billion spent annually enforcing marijuana laws. At least according to the website I was on. So ok, lets legalize it in smaller amounts(say what? an ounce is legal to carry around?) Legalize it as far as being able to grow a few plants at your residence? Lets get rid of all the laws pertaining to a small possession being illegal.

But still make it illegal to smoke your dope outside? Does that seem fair? In other words you cant walk down the street smoking your pot?

That's about it? Right?

Make it equal to alcohol. You cant walk down the street drinking in most cities in public places. Age 21 and up to buy or possess. I don't believe in adding a rule on how much you can have. If this was legal it would be produced at such a cheap level there wouldn't be any need to mass purchase. Do we bust people for having a keg in their home when a 12 pack would do?

What is your take as far as drug testing at work? From what I understand, anyone in Colorado who smokes their dope, still has to obey the workplace laws that are in place, as far as drug testing. Meaning you can buy your dope legally, you can go home and smoke it legally, but if you go to work and fail a drug test? Well, you just lost your job.

What are your opinions on that issue? Should/would drug testing laws have to be changed if pot were legalized in all states?

I agree to leave it up to the employers. If I come into work drunk off my ass I will be fired. Same should go for weed. The main thing we need to do to make all this work on is finding a way to test for impairment while driving. Weed stays in your system for 30 days on a constant user so there is no real way to determine what is old molecules and what is causing impairment. Colorado was working on a standard but everything I read was bad about it. Maybe the CO fans can update on how that is going?

I'd be curious as well. I talked about WA's DUI law as it applies to weed, and how that is a horrible law, so I'm hopeful another state can pull their head out of their ass and create a reasonable test for DUI that actually considers the impairment of the individual rather than some arbitrary number that may produce impairment in some, and absolutely no impairment in others.

hedonist

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

hedonist said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Actually I just don't understand why people think this is so damned important. Not everyone. But there are people here, and friends of mine, who make this pot issue seem so freaking important.

Again, I just don't get it.

You put a thought out there and was met with a response. It happens here.

You seemed to be just waiting for that "AHA!" moment with the comp to alcohol, but I stand by it. Talking about recreationally using something vs its impact on body, society, whatever.

Anyway...you don't HAVE to get it. I get it, and that's what matters to me.

"hahaha"

I thought you were somewhat above this talking down BS.

I really wasn't being an ass towards you. I apologize if it came off that way.

I appreciate that, Speedy, thank you.

hedonist

jeffbr said:

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

I would say the added revenue is a main issue as is the enormous costs we pay to enforce these archaic rules. If people are going to do it and buy it why not tax it make money than spend billions putting people in jail for a plant that will grow in almost any climate. And yes the alcohol discussion will always come up as it is a very hypocritical thing for drinkers to be against legalization.

7-10 billion spent annually enforcing marijuana laws. At least according to the website I was on. So ok, lets legalize it in smaller amounts(say what? an ounce is legal to carry around?) Legalize it as far as being able to grow a few plants at your residence? Lets get rid of all the laws pertaining to a small possession being illegal.

But still make it illegal to smoke your dope outside? Does that seem fair? In other words you cant walk down the street smoking your pot?

That's about it? Right?

Make it equal to alcohol. You cant walk down the street drinking in most cities in public places. Age 21 and up to buy or possess. I don't believe in adding a rule on how much you can have. If this was legal it would be produced at such a cheap level there wouldn't be any need to mass purchase. Do we bust people for having a keg in their home when a 12 pack would do?

What is your take as far as drug testing at work? From what I understand, anyone in Colorado who smokes their dope, still has to obey the workplace laws that are in place, as far as drug testing. Meaning you can buy your dope legally, you can go home and smoke it legally, but if you go to work and fail a drug test? Well, you just lost your job.

What are your opinions on that issue? Should/would drug testing laws have to be changed if pot were legalized in all states?

I agree to leave it up to the employers. If I come into work drunk off my ass I will be fired. Same should go for weed. The main thing we need to do to make all this work on is finding a way to test for impairment while driving. Weed stays in your system for 30 days on a constant user so there is no real way to determine what is old molecules and what is causing impairment. Colorado was working on a standard but everything I read was bad about it. Maybe the CO fans can update on how that is going?

I'd be curious as well. I talked about WA's DUI law as it applies to weed, and how that is a horrible law, so I'm hopeful another state can pull their head out of their ass and create a reasonable test for DUI that actually considers the impairment of the individual rather than some arbitrary number that may produce impairment in some, and absolutely no impairment in others.

On board with this. I don't want someone driving around stoned off their ass any more than I'd welcome a drunk driver, but in terms of drug testing at work it just makes sense that different parameters apply.

HesCalledDyer

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cdysinge said:

I would say the added revenue is a main issue as is the enormous costs we pay to enforce these archaic rules. If people are going to do it and buy it why not tax it make money than spend billions putting people in jail for a plant that will grow in almost any climate. And yes the alcohol discussion will always come up as it is a very hypocritical thing for drinkers to be against legalization.

7-10 billion spent annually enforcing marijuana laws. At least according to the website I was on. So ok, lets legalize it in smaller amounts(say what? an ounce is legal to carry around?) Legalize it as far as being able to grow a few plants at your residence? Lets get rid of all the laws pertaining to a small possession being illegal.

But still make it illegal to smoke your dope outside? Does that seem fair? In other words you cant walk down the street smoking your pot?

That's about it? Right?

Sounds perfectly fair! As well as don't drive impaired, don't go to work imparied, etc.

Amongst the Ani

One of the main radio guys out here goes ape shit every 4/20. He wants everyone to knock off all the bullshit and go to work that day or do something responsible. While it looks like fun to go on a massive smoke out it sets the movement back. If we want this legalized people need to show it can be done responsibly as a society. So all the weedies need to do some charity work or something other than meet in a park and smoke in front of cops that day. CNN and all the news stations can't wait to show all the massive smoke outs which just turn of the moderates in the discussion. So please remember that in 4 days when you plan to do something stupid in the name of 4:20.

whispering hands

cdysinge said:

One of the main radio guys out here goes ape shit every 4/20. He wants everyone to knock off all the bullshit and go to work that day or do something responsible. While it looks like fun to go on a massive smoke out it sets the movement back. If we want this legalized people need to show it can be done responsibly as a society. So all the weedies need to do some charity work or something other than meet in a park and smoke in front of cops that day. CNN and all the news stations can't wait to show all the massive smoke outs which just turn of the moderates in the discussion. So please remember that in 4 days when you plan to do something stupid in the name of 4:20.

Very well said.

jeffbr

cdysinge said:

One of the main radio guys out here goes ape shit every 4/20. He wants everyone to knock off all the bullshit and go to work that day or do something responsible. While it looks like fun to go on a massive smoke out it sets the movement back. If we want this legalized people need to show it can be done responsibly as a society. So all the weedies need to do some charity work or something other than meet in a park and smoke in front of cops that day. CNN and all the news stations can't wait to show all the massive smoke outs which just turn of the moderates in the discussion. So please remember that in 4 days when you plan to do something stupid in the name of 4:20.

100% agree. Just as brown bagging some Mad Dog 20/20 in the park is not a good image of responsible alcohol consumption, having stereotypical "stoners" hanging out in public in a smoke out is only going to feed the prohibitionists. Weed can be used responsibly, and the advocates for legalization need to demonstrate that.

mca47

I just think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want...as long as it doesn't effect anyone else.

PureandEasy

imalive said:

I smoked more weed back in the day than all you youngsters put together.



I'm still a hippie liberal but, gotta tell you, I'm not in favor of legalized weed. this new shit is just TOO POTENT!



yeah, TOO POTENT! decriminalized, yes....legalized, no.

Could not agree more. Totally against legalization. And I too smoked way more than my share in my day. That's why I'm against it, I know the ramifications.

mca47

Against legalization because it's too potent? Smoke less for fucks sake! If you're a beer drinker and can't handle the whiskey...maybe you should just ban the whiskey for everyone who can drink it in moderation and responsibly...
Pureandeasy...so you smoked a ton back in the day and that's why you're against it?

hedonist

jeffbr said:

cdysinge said:

One of the main radio guys out here goes ape shit every 4/20. He wants everyone to knock off all the bullshit and go to work that day or do something responsible. While it looks like fun to go on a massive smoke out it sets the movement back. If we want this legalized people need to show it can be done responsibly as a society. So all the weedies need to do some charity work or something other than meet in a park and smoke in front of cops that day. CNN and all the news stations can't wait to show all the massive smoke outs which just turn of the moderates in the discussion. So please remember that in 4 days when you plan to do something stupid in the name of 4:20.

100% agree. Just as brown bagging some Mad Dog 20/20 in the park is not a good image of responsible alcohol consumption, having stereotypical "stoners" hanging out in public in a smoke out is only going to feed the prohibitionists. Weed can be used responsibly, and the advocates for legalization need to demonstrate that.

Ah, you two! Bravo and bravo.

One of the two dispensaries I utilize has a few locations - one near my work, another near where my guy works. Earlier he told me he saw one of their canisters in the street, and ended with "damned potheads!" And I said, "yeah, don't give the rest of us a bad name".

Most people I know who regularly smoke (though I realize not most people in general who smoke) aren't all about 'whoa, dude - rad!'

We hold long-term stable jobs, are well-spoken, honor our obligations, yada yada...we're not fuckups.

Some get it, some don't.

By the way, I picked up a lovely hybrid yesterday called Purple Willie

Big Bank Hank

PureandEasy said:

imalive said:

I smoked more weed back in the day than all you youngsters put together.



I'm still a hippie liberal but, gotta tell you, I'm not in favor of legalized weed. this new shit is just TOO POTENT!



yeah, TOO POTENT! decriminalized, yes....legalized, no.

Could not agree more. Totally against legalization. And I too smoked way more than my share in my day. That's why I'm against it, I know the ramifications.

I have been smoking for about 27 years and it should be up to each state, we the people of Washington state legalized it, by voter initiative, and someone living here can go fuck off and live somewhere else if they don't want it legalized, but since legalization here, crime is down, violent crimes are down and arrests are down and I feel much safer than I did before, of course we also made it more difficult to obtain a firearm, so you guys can have your guns where you live, and we will have our marijuana and we will come out way far ahead in the end, most of the band smokes pot, that is the irony in your take, they obviously haven't been fucked up too badly from it

Big Bank Hank

PureandEasy said:

imalive said:

I smoked more weed back in the day than all you youngsters put together.



I'm still a hippie liberal but, gotta tell you, I'm not in favor of legalized weed. this new shit is just TOO POTENT!



yeah, TOO POTENT! decriminalized, yes....legalized, no.

Could not agree more. Totally against legalization. And I too smoked way more than my share in my day. That's why I'm against it, I know the ramifications.

All the members of Pearl Jam smoke or smoked pot for most of their adult lives, and all support legalization, so just because you are not mature enough to handle it, it's pretty fucking selfish to penalize every one else

Big Bank Hank

Stone smoking a bowl and a blunt, Stone gets it

Big Bank Hank

David Gilmour with Paul & Linda McCartney, their lives didn't end up fucked up, not sure where all the fucking prohibitionists get off with their bullshit, trying to take everyone's fun away

brianlux

mca47 said:

Against legalization because it's too potent? Smoke less for fucks sake! If you're a beer drinker and can't handle the whiskey...maybe you should just ban the whiskey for everyone who can drink it in moderation and responsibly...
Pureandeasy...so you smoked a ton back in the day and that's why you're against it?

I agree, mca. In fact, more potent means less damage to the lungs. One little puff today and ... bingo! In 1968 it was puff puff, cough cough, hack hack, puff puff puff... hi ho, a little buzz.

Big Bank Hank said:

PureandEasy said:

imalive said:

I smoked more weed back in the day than all you youngsters put together.



I'm still a hippie liberal but, gotta tell you, I'm not in favor of legalized weed. this new shit is just TOO POTENT!



yeah, TOO POTENT! decriminalized, yes....legalized, no.

Could not agree more. Totally against legalization. And I too smoked way more than my share in my day. That's why I'm against it, I know the ramifications.

All the members of Pearl Jam smoke or smoked pot for most of their adult lives, and all support legalization, so just because you are not mature enough to handle it, it's pretty fucking selfish to penalize every one else

Agreed. Sorry to say there are those who don't know moderation or personal limits but those people will be that way anyway until they figure it out.

Big Bank Hank

yeah because if you smoke weed you won't end up a Governor, or a President or a famous musician or win 18 gold fucking medals by the looks of things, people need to smoke more weed

mca47

brianlux said:

mca47 said:

Against legalization because it's too potent? Smoke less for fucks sake! If you're a beer drinker and can't handle the whiskey...maybe you should just ban the whiskey for everyone who can drink it in moderation and responsibly...
Pureandeasy...so you smoked a ton back in the day and that's why you're against it?

I agree, mca. In fact, more potent means less damage to the lungs. One little puff today and ... bingo! In 1968 it was puff puff, cough cough, hack hack, puff puff puff... hi ho, a little buzz.

Big Bank Hank said:

PureandEasy said:

imalive said:

I smoked more weed back in the day than all you youngsters put together.



I'm still a hippie liberal but, gotta tell you, I'm not in favor of legalized weed. this new shit is just TOO POTENT!



yeah, TOO POTENT! decriminalized, yes....legalized, no.

Could not agree more. Totally against legalization. And I too smoked way more than my share in my day. That's why I'm against it, I know the ramifications.

All the members of Pearl Jam smoke or smoked pot for most of their adult lives, and all support legalization, so just because you are not mature enough to handle it, it's pretty fucking selfish to penalize every one else

Agreed. Sorry to say there are those who don't know moderation or personal limits but those people will be that way anyway until they figure it out.

Yeah, I used to smoke a ton of crappy weed in college. It was kind of fun because you and a buddy could easily smoke a J to its end. That process was fun....but my lungs hurt so bad the next day.
I'm more of a once a week (sometimes 2 weeks) smoker now. I have a puff or two and that's it. Same result, a lot less dope and a lot less stress on my lungs.