Do Aliens Exist?

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Last-12-Exit said:

23scidoo said:

100 billions stars in our galaxy..100 billions galaxys in our universe..and we still believe we are alone..how much selfish we are??..

It has nothing to do with being selfish. For all of you that "know" there is more out there, simply proove it. Broad statements like this does not mean there is life out there. And it certainly doesn't mean I'm selfish.

maths are not lying..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

paulonious said:

hedonist said:

I think that's a key term - "life as WE know it".

There's more to life than us, than our perception, our reality.

excellent point. there might be "life" out there that we can't even fathom. we might even be able to stand right in front of it and not know what it is, as we may not be able to comprehend what is in front of our faces.

excellent point from both of you..

Last-12-Exit

No

23scidoo said:

Last-12-Exit said:

23scidoo said:

100 billions stars in our galaxy..100 billions galaxys in our universe..and we still believe we are alone..how much selfish we are??..

It has nothing to do with being selfish. For all of you that "know" there is more out there, simply proove it. Broad statements like this does not mean there is life out there. And it certainly doesn't mean I'm selfish.

maths are not lying..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Several factors in that are unknown. It can't be proven with whatever that is. Yes, probabilities say there is life beyond earth. But it needs to be actually proven for me to believe it. Not theorized.

rgambs

Yes

Proof is a geometric concept that doesn't exist in reality. There is no proof that gravity is constant, you can't prove that one day when you step off a curb you won't fall up, but you can mathematically reduce the odds to an infinitesimal degree that allows you to be pretty sure. The mathematical odds of life in the universe are such that you can be pretty sure.

Last-12-Exit

No

rgambs said:

Proof is a geometric concept that doesn't exist in reality. There is no proof that gravity is constant, you can't prove that one day when you step off a curb you won't fall up, but you can mathematically reduce the odds to an infinitesimal degree that allows you to be pretty sure. The mathematical odds of life in the universe are such that you can be pretty sure.

There's no proof that gravity is a constant? Didn't newton prove that?

rgambs

Yes

If you are using a colloquial definition for "proof", then yes gravity is pretty well proved. From a scientific standpoint it isn't possible to do so.
Karl Popper: "In the empirical sciences, which alone can furnish us with information about the world we live in, proofs do not occur, if we mean by 'proof' an argument which establishes once and for ever the truth of a theory."
Satoshi Kanazawa has argued that "Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science."

Last-12-Exit

No

I won't pretend to comprehend math provens as opposed to science provens. We know the earth is round how? We've seen it. We know there is gravity how? We don't fly away when we jump on a trampoline.

We know there is life outside of this planet how? The theory of probabilities. Once again, I am open to the idea of some life for being out there. Whether it be bacterial firm up to evolved, intelligent beings. But for me, personally, I need more than just probability. Show me the proof. Show me area 51 and the aliens that crashed. If it's there, it shouldn't be difficult.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Last-12-Exit said:

I won't pretend to comprehend math provens as opposed to science provens. We know the earth is round how? We've seen it.

Who has seen it?

Last-12-Exit

No

We have all seen it:

PJfanwillneverleave1

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Last-12-Exit said:

We have all seen it:

We've all seen this too. It doesn't make it real

(I was going to put a prophet up but thought otherwise)

rgambs

Yes

White Jesus Sighting!

badbrains

Yes, and they have visited Earth

He is a prophet (would've thought you knew that)

PJfanwillneverleave1

Yes, and they have visited Earth

badbrains said:

He is a prophet (would've thought you knew that)

That's how little I know. I thought a prophet was a muslim thing.

Last-12-Exit

No

So none of the shuttles or probes that we've put into space were actually put into space. None of the pictures we have of the earth actually came from outer space? Strange. If we don't have real pictures of the earth, then how do we know that there are trillions of stars and millions of plants that may or may not hold alien life?

PJfanwillneverleave1

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Last-12-Exit said:

So none of the shuttles or probes that we've put into space were actually put into space. None of the pictures we have of the earth actually came from outer space? Strange. If we don't have real pictures of the earth, then how do we know that there are trillions of stars and millions of plants that may or may not hold alien life?

This is false advertising.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/10/museum-goes-public-with-bag-of-moon-landing-souvenirs-brought-back-by-neil-armstrong/

oftenreading

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

So none of the shuttles or probes that we've put into space were actually put into space. None of the pictures we have of the earth actually came from outer space? Strange. If we don't have real pictures of the earth, then how do we know that there are trillions of stars and millions of plants that may or may not hold alien life?

This is false advertising.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/10/museum-goes-public-with-bag-of-moon-landing-souvenirs-brought-back-by-neil-armstrong/

Ah, so you're one of the fake-moon-landing-filmed-on-a-Hollywood-soundstage guys!

PJfanwillneverleave1

Yes, and they have visited Earth

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

So none of the shuttles or probes that we've put into space were actually put into space. None of the pictures we have of the earth actually came from outer space? Strange. If we don't have real pictures of the earth, then how do we know that there are trillions of stars and millions of plants that may or may not hold alien life?

This is false advertising.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/10/museum-goes-public-with-bag-of-moon-landing-souvenirs-brought-back-by-neil-armstrong/

Ah, so you're one of the fake-moon-landing-filmed-on-a-Hollywood-soundstage guys!

No,
I was excited initially to start reading an article about moon souvenirs brought back to earth, not human souvenirs brought back.

All though Bob Hope did mention that it must have been quite a long phone cord to talk to a person on the moon.....

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Proof is a geometric concept that doesn't exist in reality. There is no proof that gravity is constant, you can't prove that one day when you step off a curb you won't fall up, but you can mathematically reduce the odds to an infinitesimal degree that allows you to be pretty sure. The mathematical odds of life in the universe are such that you can be pretty sure.

There's no proof that gravity is a constant? Didn't newton prove that?

I think what he means here is that proof is in science can only be 100% quantifiable in the present and past. We can't necessarily prove thatgravity will exist in its current form next month, year, or even minute. At least that's what i am gathering here. But this is kind of making my head spin, so i could be way off.

I think we are splitting hairs here; you belive it is probable there is life beyond our planet, but you won't say for sure without some sort of visual or scientific proof. I get that. I think most of us would agree with that. No one can say for sure; the only difference is that i am 99.99999999% sure, whereas you are only 99.99999998% sure. Lol

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

How the Dogon tribal knows about the Sirius B??
What the Zuni tribal have seen and then painting in the rocks??
How they build those gigantic walls in Cusco, Peru??
just a few examples..

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Do you remember the Mancester 2012 poster?..someone had a funny idea..