I'd be interested to know if cops or the FBI actually got involved in this. I'd be shocked if they did - does anyone have any real reason to think that? Like know it for a fact? And is it really realistic to think that they came to him door and told him to refund a handful of people for $40 - $350? It would be lovely to know that authorities would actually bother with this.... i just don't see it as realistic. But anything's possible. If it's true, my faith in crime control just slipped up a notch.
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I'd be interested to know if cops or the FBI actually got involved in this. I'd be shocked if they did - does anyone have any real reason to think that? Like know it for a fact? And is it really realistic to think that they came to him door and told him to refund a handful of people for $40 - $350? It would be lovely to know that authorities would actually bother with this.... i just don't see it as realistic. But anything's possible. If it's true, my faith in crime control just slipped up a notch.
yes they got involved...one detective took all 9 cases, communicated with us etc
Any new realizations... would have to wait... Til he had more time,... more time... Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye, To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
I highly doubt that the actual authories were involved due to the amounts, this quickly - I've worked in fraud recovery before, but then again my experiences are related between a consumer and a true merchant.
This issue is mindbogling... to built relationship all this years with the people in this group only to then rip them is idiotic and careless - I feel the refunds could have happened due to him feeling ostracized... it's not helping his case when he stopped posting in this thread.
The OP is suggesting that he was hacked... With all the information that some random hacker would literally have to know this band, that sounds iffy...unless it was friendly fraud and he actually lives with the person who commited this
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I guess the emails the 9 of us got from Bettendorf detective Payton asking if we got our money refunded must have come from the OP then if you don't think the authorities got involved. Not to keep beating a dead horse. It's over and I'm pretty sure we all are happy with the outcome. Time to move on.
For those who think that the Bettendorf police have better things to do, they don't. It's 5 miles from Moline. Not much happening in that part of the world. :-)
nice work everyone, very sickening to see what unfolded but glad for the outcome. too bad there wasnt a way to keep this on the first page to prevent further fraudulent acts and provide insight to possible actions people can take going forward.
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Not sure why some think this is not that big of a deal, or at least not big enough for police to get involved. Any theft of $1000-$10000 is considered a Class D felony in IA.
I wasn't saying this wasn't a big deal. You were lucky that the guy didn't live in Chicago or something though. Might not have gotten such a quick response.
A detective was definitely involved. He for sure communicated with me before and after I was refunded. He was extremely helpful and in my opinion, the only reason refunds were sent.
Yeah, i didn't say it's not a big deal. I'm just shocked that authorities bothered with it. They sure wouldn't in my neck of the woods. But if they did get into it, that's great. Are charges being laid then?? Or did the cops just tell the guy to refund the money and give him a stern talking to.
I still can't believe this member hasn't been banned, lol.
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Yeah, i didn't say it's not a big deal. I'm just shocked that authorities bothered with it. They sure wouldn't in my neck of the woods. But if they did get into it, that's great. Are charges being laid then?? Or did the cops just tell the guy to refund the money and give him a stern talking to.
I still can't believe this member hasn't been banned, lol.
No idea, I have a feeling he may have been arrested.
Just wanted to give my two cents. Before these last few posts above, I was going to say the police wouldn't get involved, but if they did, great. I'm a detective and it would be extremely difficult for a local PD to coordinate with several victims in several different jurisdictions over a few bad internet transactions. Usually it's ebay or a Paypal that will make the victim whole. Generally, there would have to be a police report generated by each victim. For example, it would be difficult for me to talk to a victim in Michigan, who paid for a service, that originated in Iowa. And with the amount lost, though it sucks, wasn't thousands of dollars. Unfortunately, yes, the amount of money lost does effect the response of Police. I would assume it wasn't a local police department that someone talked to. It had to be FBI or more likely, companies have their own loss prevention/fraud detectives. But at least where I am, the FBI don't get involved unless the dollar amount is over $50k or so.
All that being said, it was obviously a scam, guy is a liar and paniced when people called his parents. I'm not saying to do that, but I bet if that was to keep happening u all would get more of a response from this guy and make his world a little harder. He didn't expect his friends and family to get contacted. Wasn't part of his plan. - Det. Pledge a Grievance
9 of us filed reports with the OP's local PD and the local detective stayed in touch with us
After the PD got involved and we received refunds from the OP
Not sure why everyone is doubting the PD's investigation/involvement
As mentioned in another post, its a small town so I'm sure that helped
Any new realizations... would have to wait... Til he had more time,... more time... Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye, To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
REFUND DENIED ! An eCheck payment from ********* was declined by the sender's bank
here we go again !!!
Any new realizations... would have to wait... Til he had more time,... more time... Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye, To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
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Perhaps someone, we'll call the individual Anonymous, hacked into his back account and withdrew the funds that were meant to cover the refunds?
The shear nerve of this Anonymous hacker. I mean, really,...
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Did you seriously think that a guy who scams you out of money and lives with his parents has enough funds in his bank to cover refunds to all you peeps who got screwed???? Whaaaa?
Did you seriously think that a guy who scams you out of money and lives with his parents has enough funds in his bank to cover refunds to all you peeps who got screwed???? Whaaaa?
well he had the money at some point. and it looked like it was going to get rectified.
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Yikes this is too bad. Was it denied by the bank for lack of funds or did he put a stop on the refund through his bank? This guy must be dying to steal money, seems like a lot of effort when you've been caught.
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yes they got involved...one detective took all 9 cases, communicated with us etc
Til he had more time,... more time...
Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye,
To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
This issue is mindbogling... to built relationship all this years with the people in this group only to then rip them is idiotic and careless - I feel the refunds could have happened due to him feeling ostracized... it's not helping his case when he stopped posting in this thread.
The OP is suggesting that he was hacked... With all the information that some random hacker would literally have to know this band, that sounds iffy...unless it was friendly fraud and he actually lives with the person who commited this
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I still can't believe this member hasn't been banned, lol.
No idea, I have a feeling he may have been arrested.
All that being said, it was obviously a scam, guy is a liar and paniced when people called his parents. I'm not saying to do that, but I bet if that was to keep happening u all would get more of a response from this guy and make his world a little harder. He didn't expect his friends and family to get contacted. Wasn't part of his plan. - Det. Pledge a Grievance
After the PD got involved and we received refunds from the OP
Not sure why everyone is doubting the PD's investigation/involvement
As mentioned in another post, its a small town so I'm sure that helped
Til he had more time,... more time...
Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye,
To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
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here we go again !!!
Til he had more time,... more time...
Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye,
To himself... I'll see you on the other side...
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The shear nerve of this Anonymous hacker. I mean, really,...
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