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I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.0 -
Not well.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please link us to a reputable source that tells us Iraq wanted us go stay. Maybe in Maliki's own words. I love how you just make shit up. How are the Saudis doing in Yemen by the way?BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.0 -
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.callen said:
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.0 -
An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.BS44325 said:
When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.callen said:
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You do know that my use of "christians" is a response to Callen don't you? The US is the perfect honest broker because its military is made up of people from every religion, from every culture, and of both genders. It mirrors the melting pot that your country is. That's why its presence can be so effective.Halifax2TheMax said:
An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.BS44325 said:
When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.callen said:
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.0 -
Except they would still be viewed as the infidels. And in a region where the choice is between "one of your own" and the "infidels," who do you think 9 out of 10 Iraqis are going to side with? Particularly as scenes of the Phoenix mosque protest plays incessantly on Al Jazeera. When will the Iraqis fight for themselves?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Speechless BS.BS44325 said:
When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.callen said:
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
No we are viewed as Christians. Unfortunately. And Christians with grand motivations of pillaging. Okay now I'm really speechless ,,,,,,,,,,,BS44325 said:
You do know that my use of "christians" is a response to Callen don't you? The US is the perfect honest broker because its military is made up of people from every religion, from every culture, and of both genders. It mirrors the melting pot that your country is. That's why its presence can be so effective.Halifax2TheMax said:
An impartial referee would be, oh I don't know, Switzerland? The US or "Christians" as an impartial referee? That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard as it relates to this topic. I'd be happy to arm and send all the US evangelics however. Sarah Palin can lead a brigade.BS44325 said:
When sunni and shia want to slaughter each other it is the christian who can play the honest broker. It is sect vs sect and tribe vs tribe right now. An impartial referee is needed.callen said:
Further action breaks it even more. Christian soldiers in Muslim world doesn't work.BS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
I wonder what Jeb's stance is when it comes to topic integrity0
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Same as every single other national candidate. That's the first thing to go.mookeywrench said:I wonder what Jeb's stance is when it comes to topic integrity
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george w bush should have listned to colin powell before heBS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
a: invaded iraq in the first place
b: SIGNED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT TYING THE HANDS OF THE FOLLOWING PRESIDENT."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Don't forget the most important pieces of the Powell Doctrine (not the Pottery Barn rule quoted here). Could we really say yes to all of these in 2002? Powell's brilliant career was tarnished by his inability to support his own strategic requirements.gimmesometruth27 said:
george w bush should have listned to colin powell before heBS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
a: invaded iraq in the first place
b: SIGNED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT TYING THE HANDS OF THE FOLLOWING PRESIDENT.
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
Do we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?0 -
Good post!mrussel1 said:
Don't forget the most important pieces of the Powell Doctrine (not the Pottery Barn rule quoted here). Could we really say yes to all of these in 2002? Powell's brilliant career was tarnished by his inability to support his own strategic requirements.gimmesometruth27 said:
george w bush should have listned to colin powell before heBS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
a: invaded iraq in the first place
b: SIGNED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT TYING THE HANDS OF THE FOLLOWING PRESIDENT.
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
Do we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?0 -
But Powell was fed a crock of shit...he figured that out later which is most likely a big part in his support of Obama in 2008. That was huge...a former GOP Sec of State endorsing the democrat vs McCain.mrussel1 said:
Don't forget the most important pieces of the Powell Doctrine (not the Pottery Barn rule quoted here). Could we really say yes to all of these in 2002? Powell's brilliant career was tarnished by his inability to support his own strategic requirements.gimmesometruth27 said:
george w bush should have listned to colin powell before heBS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
a: invaded iraq in the first place
b: SIGNED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT TYING THE HANDS OF THE FOLLOWING PRESIDENT.
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
Do we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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At the very least, questions 1, 3, 5, and 6 are definite no's and were the same in 2003.mrussel1 said:
Don't forget the most important pieces of the Powell Doctrine (not the Pottery Barn rule quoted here). Could we really say yes to all of these in 2002? Powell's brilliant career was tarnished by his inability to support his own strategic requirements.gimmesometruth27 said:
george w bush should have listned to colin powell before heBS44325 said:
I do own that which is why I think the withdrawal was a massive mistake. As per Colin Powell pre-invasion "you break it, you own it". Leaving is washing your hands of a problem your country actively participated in.gimmesometruth27 said:
you have to own the actual breaking of iraq because you supported the bush invasion. the history revision you have been doing is proof enough of that.BS44325 said:
Of all those countries only Iran wanted us out but good on you for owning it.gimmesometruth27 said:
please.BS44325 said:
Ha. Plain old ridiculous. Obama ran for election on withdrawing. He wanted to withdraw. McCain wanted to stay. Call McCain wrong if you want but he would have stayed regardless of what the status of forces agreement said...he would have negotiated a new one. Withdrawal is the policy you wanted. Own it.gimmesometruth27 said:
can we please stop perpetuating the incredibly false narrative that obama pulled the troops out of iraq?BS44325 said:
In the next election you will have a democratic candidate who both voted for the initial invasion and then presided over the withdrawal. Let's see what level of respect that generates.josevolution said:
Again I'll have more respect for a man that admits their mistakes that led to this mess let's come to terms with the 1st mistake okBS44325 said:
And the next democratic nominee will have to admit that it was a gigantic mistake to leave Iraqjosevolution said:
Exactly they will never admit what a gigantic mistake it was to have invaded ...gimmesometruth27 said:
it just speaks to the dissonance that you have to have to be a republican presidential candidate.Gern Blansten said:It is just absolutely hilarious watching those idiots respond to Iraq questions. They have to be so careful of what they say because they have dumbed down their base so much they can't begin to touch on the truth without looking like a complete hypocrite.
funny thing is, more and more republicans feel that we should not be getting involved in other countries or regions. the fiscal commitment to such a war would be questioned by today's republicans. going into iraq would fly in the face of those principles. these clowns think they are going to win the white house by saying they would make the same decision to invade even if they know what they know now. morons.
i am so sick of stating it and restating it, but george w bush signed the status of forces agreement that set a withdrawl date, and he signed it before obama was even elected. bush tied obama's hands. obama wanted the troops to stay, but iraq said no. we got kicked out. please stop lying about what actually happened.
again, lay off of the fox news and the right wing talk radio.
mccain is too much of a hothead to negotiate anything. it is his way or no way, and when trying to negotiate with an entire region who views things differently than you do, stubbornness and sheer will is not going to get a deal made..
mccain could not have negotiated a new status of forces agreement. there was a democratic congress. the american people wanted us out. iraq wanted us out. saudi arabia wanted us out. iran wanted us out. all of the muslim countries in the middle east wanted us out. our own generals wants us out. mccain was not going to influence every single one of them to allow us to stay.
again, you can not blame the successor for the deal made by the predecessor.
bush tied obama's hands. bush took a giant shit in a room and rubbed it all over the walls and obama had to clean it up. i give obama credit for getting us out. i own it. bush gets the blame for getting us in there in the first place.
a: invaded iraq in the first place
b: SIGNED STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT TYING THE HANDS OF THE FOLLOWING PRESIDENT.
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
Do we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?
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Aaah, but it's so... PERKY!gimmesometruth27 said:worst......campaign.....logo.....ever.....
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I'm gonna have to say that a Democrat's logo guiding the viewer to the right with a red arrow is worse.gimmesometruth27 said:worst......campaign.....logo.....ever.....
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