Very Upset with CD-Rs
umlawgrad
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I believe it is misleading to sell the boots as CD-Rs. I did not see anywhere that these were CD-Rs. I expected them to be (for $16.99) professionally mastered CDs. CD-Rs do not play in my high end CD player and had I know these were not regular CDs, I would not have purchased them. Why not just download the shows for $9.99 and burn your own CDs?
That being said, I do find the sound quality to be a bit better than some have suggested on this board.
That being said, I do find the sound quality to be a bit better than some have suggested on this board.
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It did say 'burn-to-order cd's'
Then why didn't you?
I'm totally happy w/them.
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The official website says "made to order" not "burn to order". It also says "hard copy".... which implies a pressed CD.
Good thing every person who bought bootlegs not only uses this message board, but reads EVERY post on it!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
There is nothing on the main goods site that says CD-R's! Not everyone follows this board, nor should they be expected to when it comes to product updates.
Horseshit. I paid some person $7 to burn a couple songs to a CD for me and ship it!??
Actually, it says both "made to order" and "burn to order":
Made-to-order Bootleg CDs
In addition to digital bootlegs, Pearl Jam is launching a new physical CD program for this tour. CDs will be manufactured according to customer demand and will ship within three weeks of each show date. CDs will be made-to-order using recycled material. The price for hard copy bootlegs is $16.99/show and will be available exclusively through http://www.pearljam.com.
Both the mobile and new burn-to-order CD options are an extension of Pearl Jam's official bootleg CD program, which was initially launched on the band's 2000 world tour in an effort to provide fans with high-quality, affordable bootlegs of their lives shows. Since the program's inception, over 3.5 million bootlegs have been sold.
http://www.tenclub.net/news/
Couple of problems here. First off, the link you have enclosed is for the pearl jam website. The link I have enclosed is directly to the site where you actually buy the Boots. That link is on the main page of PJ.com. Why should someone have to read the news to see if they are paying for a CD or CD-R? Why is it buried there?
made to order, not "burn to order" on the actual order page
hard copy bootlegs, not soft copy CD-R's
physical CD is listed, not physical CD-R or burnt CD
CDs will be manufactured, not CD-R's will be burnt
official bootleg CD program, not burnt CDR program
provide fans with high-quality affordable bootlegs, not low-quality CD-R's
So much to lead you to believe that you are getting a professional pressed CD, and one tiny line buried in the news that mentions the word "burnt". Not only are most people not going to see that one instance, but what do you believe, 7 indications or 1? Add to the fact that people routinely mis-use words, especially when it comes to computers. If I had even seen the 1 hidden indication that the CDs were actually CD-R's, I would have thought it was a mistake, given all the other indications to the contrary!
Since shipping is included in the price, I expected every show to ship as it was "pressed". But it appears as if I have to wait until they "burn" every show I ordered. I could have downloaded and burnt myself by now, for cheaper.
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
For the 20th time, they're not "low quality" CDR's. They're using the best quality CDR's that you can get. They're supposed to be even better quality than a pressed CD. People need to stop perpetrating myths.
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CD Dumbizzle Azzizzle
Most recent: 2018 Stadium shows: Seattle 2, Missoula, Fenway 1 and 2; 2022: Oakland 1 and 2
You are lucky to even have these boots from all tours. Amazing how much complaining there is around something so great.
Do anyone know how hard it to even record a show? Then at the fact the high level of quality. Everyone assumes that "soundboard" is the best quality recording. These are more than that because you can hear the crowd. Thats the difference that no one picks up. Soundboard recordings are stale.
These PJ boots pick up the emotion and feeling from the band and the crowd.
Its just my opinion but if you want to order the show that is being mailed to you you are doing it for the artwork. Not the CD because you can get those in FLAC
Just my opinion. Be thankful you even have the option to get these boots
It's a good fuckin' thing I read every post then. You're missing out.
Im not an expert but I do a lot of my own recordings
To me "pressed" is a master CD that presses copy from it with artwork (not at same time). The quality of the "music" is higher as well.
This master CD is literally pressed (in a press, I know the words get confusing) against blank CD to transfer the music. That’s the way all the vinyl albums were done. There could be newer technology for CDs but that’s the concept
"Burn" is when you take individual songs, line them up in order, and make you're own CD. There is no master CD and no artwork
Thats the way I see it.
Hard copy = tangible, you can hold it in your hands. So, "pressed" CDs and burned CD-Rs are both hard copy items.
Soft copy = intangible, you can't hold it in your hands. So electronic media (mp3 or FLAC files) are soft copy items.
It kinda sucks that the CDs don't play in your hardware -- of course, I'd think a high-end CD player would handle just about anything. But as other have said, the media used are the best quality CD-R on the market. And IMO, "made to order" should signal these aren't pressed CDs -- you don't start and stop production of that nature, you just make a batch.
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Have you listened to West Palm Beach? Not so great IMO.
The original post is fair, he's not bitching that we have options to purchase, just that all the facts should be upfront and clear.
I ordered what I thought were cd's not cd-r's. I very well may have chose that option anyways but I at least wish I knew they were cd-r's.....
Roberto Clemente.
You missed the point. I don't care if they are high quality CD-R's or low quality CD-R's. I care if they are high quality pressed CDs or lower quality burnt CD-R's. Even if they use the best brand of CD-R available, it still is not a pressed CD
Last tour, I printed out the artwork myself!
We are all greatful that we can get the boots. But what bothers us is that they mis-led everybody in to thinking that they were getting something similar to the 2003 tour.
That's OK, I will keep my life.... you should get one too!
That's your interpretation. My interpretation is that a pressed CD is "hard," and a CD-R is "soft". I can reproduce the CD-R version at home, I can not reproduce a pressed CD. Regardless, they could have been more clear.
The 2003 boots were "Made to order" pressed CDs, and they were awesome! They were limited production based on the number of people who ordered them! History agrees with me!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
Exactly!!!!
I agree with every word!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
LMAO! Some funny shit buried amongst the argument, i love it!
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2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
Actually I like that show
Hahaha.. other than mdg164, who's arguing?!? I'm just trying to lighten the mood.
Yeah, you're right, the free shipping sucked (I see you're in the US). $7 plus pretty decent artwork is quite good IMO.
No they weren't, they were ALL available in stores. But you're right, every store knew exactly how many of each show they needed, b/c they knew exactly how many of each show people would want. Limited production my ass, just about everybody i know has Seattle II.
Stop twisting the sentences around to suit your opinion. I understand you're bitter, but get over it. The CD's are fine, and i'm on the other end of the spectrum, and am more impressed by them than i expected to be.
If you got the FLAC, (which is CD quality) it would be about the same fucking price. $14.99 + ~$1 (i use lightscribe) for the disc.... and i'm SURE you couldn't reproduce the cover/artwork for $1.
Deal with it.
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1998 Brisbane 2
2003 Brisbane 1
2006 LA 1 & 2
2008 LA 2, San Diego 1 (EV)
2009 LA 1, 2, 3 & 4, San Diego
2011 St. Louis (EV)
2012 Tulsa 1 & 2 (EV)
2013 Chicago, Dallas & OKC
The sound quality of the cd-r? Or the show itself? The show setlist is great but I think the sound mix is way off. Just my opinion.......
Roberto Clemente.
Ill give it a relisten. Overall the 2000 tour boots are low in volume. Love the 05-06 tour cause of the fullness of sound
EDIT: Im listening now. This is a louder show that the rest. Not sure what you mean about the mix. Corduroy (2nd song) sounds great
Can you give me some detail?
How many of you have paid $50 for an old bootleg...before they started releasing the official ones? I like it now much better.
Agree with the 2000 boots. I've only listened to WPB once so far and it just sounds "muted" in certain spots (me being a technical guy and all hahahaha) and I know I heard an echo during 2 songs (I'll have to relisten to tell you which songs).
Where 2000 was low on volume it at least sounded good where 2003 boots were great sounding.
I'll do a random ear test. I'll randomly pick a 2000 concert and play it against the 2008 WPB.
Roberto Clemente.