Very Upset with CD-Rs

mdg164

JWBusher wrote:

For the 20th time, they're not "low quality" CDR's. They're using the best quality CDR's that you can get. They're supposed to be even better quality than a pressed CD. People need to stop perpetrating myths.

You missed the point. I don't care if they are high quality CD-R's or low quality CD-R's. I care if they are high quality pressed CDs or lower quality burnt CD-R's. Even if they use the best brand of CD-R available, it still is not a pressed CD

ballgame wrote:

Its just my opinion but if you want to order the show that is being mailed to you you are doing it for the artwork. Not the CD because you can get those in FLAC

Just my opinion. Be thankful you even have the option to get these boots

Last tour, I printed out the artwork myself!

We are all greatful that we can get the boots. But what bothers us is that they mis-led everybody in to thinking that they were getting something similar to the 2003 tour.

TrAvELAr wrote:

It's a good fuckin' thing I read every post then. You're missing out.

That's OK, I will keep my life.... you should get one too!

mozetti wrote:

Hard copy = tangible, you can hold it in your hands. So, "pressed" CDs and burned CD-Rs are both hard copy items.

Soft copy = intangible, you can't hold it in your hands. So electronic media (mp3 or FLAC files) are soft copy items.

It kinda sucks that the CDs don't play in your hardware -- of course, I'd think a high-end CD player would handle just about anything. But as other have said, the media used are the best quality CD-R on the market. And IMO, "made to order" should signal these aren't pressed CDs -- you don't start and stop production of that nature, you just make a batch.

That's your interpretation. My interpretation is that a pressed CD is "hard," and a CD-R is "soft". I can reproduce the CD-R version at home, I can not reproduce a pressed CD. Regardless, they could have been more clear.

The 2003 boots were "Made to order" pressed CDs, and they were awesome! They were limited production based on the number of people who ordered them! History agrees with me!

mdg164

pearljim wrote:

The original post is fair, he's not bitching that we have options to purchase, just that all the facts should be upfront and clear.
I ordered what I thought were cd's not cd-r's. I very well may have chose that option anyways but I at least wish I knew they were cd-r's.....

Exactly!!!!

I agree with every word!

LeatherMosquitoMan

TrAvELAr wrote:

It's a good fuckin' thing I read every post then. You're missing out.

LMAO! Some funny shit buried amongst the argument, i love it!

ballgame

pearljim wrote:

Have you listened to West Palm Beach? Not so great IMO.

Actually I like that show

Travelar

LeatherMosquitoMan wrote:

LMAO! Some funny shit buried amongst the argument, i love it!

Hahaha.. other than mdg164, who's arguing?!? I'm just trying to lighten the mood.

LeatherMosquitoMan

Jammin909 wrote:

Horseshit. I paid some person $7 to burn a couple songs to a CD for me and ship it!??

Yeah, you're right, the free shipping sucked (I see you're in the US). $7 plus pretty decent artwork is quite good IMO.

mdg164 wrote:

The 2000 boots were "Made to order" pressed CDs, and they were awesome! They were limited production based on the number of people who ordered them! History agrees with me!

No they weren't, they were ALL available in stores. But you're right, every store knew exactly how many of each show they needed, b/c they knew exactly how many of each show people would want. Limited production my ass, just about everybody i know has Seattle II.

Stop twisting the sentences around to suit your opinion. I understand you're bitter, but get over it. The CD's are fine, and i'm on the other end of the spectrum, and am more impressed by them than i expected to be.

mdg164 wrote:

But it appears as if I have to wait until they "burn" every show I ordered. I could have downloaded and burnt myself by now, for cheaper.

If you got the FLAC, (which is CD quality) it would be about the same fucking price. $14.99 + ~$1 (i use lightscribe) for the disc.... and i'm SURE you couldn't reproduce the cover/artwork for $1.

Deal with it.

pearljim

ballgame wrote:

Actually I like that show

The sound quality of the cd-r? Or the show itself? The show setlist is great but I think the sound mix is way off. Just my opinion.......

ballgame

pearljim wrote:

The sound quality of the cd-r? Or the show itself? The show setlist is great but I think the sound mix is way off. Just my opinion.......

Ill give it a relisten. Overall the 2000 tour boots are low in volume. Love the 05-06 tour cause of the fullness of sound

EDIT: Im listening now. This is a louder show that the rest. Not sure what you mean about the mix. Corduroy (2nd song) sounds great
Can you give me some detail?

cincybearcat

pearljim wrote:

Have you listened to West Palm Beach? Not so great IMO.

The original post is fair, he's not bitching that we have options to purchase, just that all the facts should be upfront and clear.
I ordered what I thought were cd's not cd-r's. I very well may have chose that option anyways but I at least wish I knew they were cd-r's.....

How many of you have paid $50 for an old bootleg...before they started releasing the official ones? I like it now much better.

pearljim

ballgame wrote:

Ill give it a relisten. Overall the 2000 tour boots are low in volume. Love the 05-06 tour cause of the fullness of sound

EDIT: Im listening now. This is a louder show that the rest. Not sure what you mean about the mix. Corduroy (2nd song) sounds great
Can you give me some detail?

Agree with the 2000 boots. I've only listened to WPB once so far and it just sounds "muted" in certain spots (me being a technical guy and all hahahaha) and I know I heard an echo during 2 songs (I'll have to relisten to tell you which songs).
Where 2000 was low on volume it at least sounded good where 2003 boots were great sounding.
I'll do a random ear test. I'll randomly pick a 2000 concert and play it against the 2008 WPB.

pearljim

cincybearcat wrote:

How many of you have paid $50 for an old bootleg...before they started releasing the official ones? I like it now much better.

Again - at least you knew what you were getting.....I like it now also by the way.

Travelar

For those of you that are pissed off, why don't you just contact 10C and negotiate a return. If it's that big of a deal, just return them.

Ledbetterman10

umlawgrad wrote:

I believe it is misleading to sell the boots as CD-Rs. I did not see anywhere that these were CD-Rs. I expected them to be (for $16.99) professionally mastered CDs. CD-Rs do not play in my high end CD player and had I know these were not regular CDs, I would not have purchased them. Why not just download the shows for $9.99 and burn your own CDs?

That being said, I do find the sound quality to be a bit better than some have suggested on this board.

that's why I only bought one show on disc. Otherwise, I can burn my own CDs.

SheetsOfClay

ballgame wrote:

Im not an expert but I do a lot of my own recordings
To me "pressed" is a master CD that presses copy from it with artwork (not at same time). The quality of the "music" is higher as well.
This master CD is literally pressed (in a press, I know the words get confusing) against blank CD to transfer the music. That’s the way all the vinyl albums were done. There could be newer technology for CDs but that’s the concept
"Burn" is when you take individual songs, line them up in order, and make you're own CD. There is no master CD and no artwork
Thats the way I see it.

This is not the case. The music is the same quality, no matter what CD media is used. It's digital... a bit is a bit.

ballgame

SheetsOfClay wrote:

This is not the case. The music is the same quality, no matter what CD media is used. It's digital... a bit is a bit.

Im not sure about that

CD quality is better than mp3. FLAC is better than MP3. .WAV is better than mp3. The difference is how much space each takes up.
I dont know about this situation. But quality is not the same

SheetsOfClay

Ah, the "Pearl Jam can do no wrong" apologists are out in full force in this thread, using the same old tired "love it or leave it, be thankful for what you have" argument that conservative politicians use so often.

The guy has a legitimate issue about the lack of full disclosure when ordering the CDs. Yes, we all love Pearl Jam. Yes, we are thankful for the official boots. But why is a well-voiced opinion about business practices always met with "shut up", "deal with it", etc.?

Things don't get better if people don't express opinions.

Grow up.

SheetsOfClay

ballgame wrote:

Im not sure about that

CD quality is better than mp3. FLAC is better than MP3. .WAV is better than mp3. The difference is how much space each takes up.
I dont know about this situation. But quality is not the same

That's not what I meant. The sound quality on CD-Rs is exactly the same as that on pressed CDs if they are mastered from the same source. Same bits.

Yes, MP3s are lesser quality because they are compressed.

mdg164

LeatherMosquitoMan wrote:

No they weren't, they were ALL available in stores. But you're right, every store knew exactly how many of each show they needed, b/c they knew exactly how many of each show people would want. Limited production my ass, just about everybody i know has Seattle II.

Stop twisting the sentences around to suit your opinion. I understand you're bitter, but get over it. The CD's are fine, and i'm on the other end of the spectrum, and am more impressed by them than i expected to be.

If you got the FLAC, (which is CD quality) it would be about the same fucking price. $14.99 + ~$1 (i use lightscribe) for the disc.... and i'm SURE you couldn't reproduce the cover/artwork for $1.

First off, I fixed my other post, I meant the 2003 bootlegs. Only a few shows were release to stores. They rest were all pressed CDs made on demand. I have both versions of State College (Custom 10C boot, and later released store version). Even stronger point for my case.... 2003, the last time they sent out physical boots, were pressed CDs. Thank you for pointing out my 2000/2003 error and making my case even stronger!

It's not the money. It's 2 things. First off, they mis-lead everyone. It's called False Advertising. Secondly, If I dowloaded and burnt, I would have them now. Instead I wait. They are waiting until all of my CD-R's are burnt to send them, but I didn't get a volume discount. I fully expected every CD to ship by itself ASAP. I'm not twisting words around, I am reading them directly off of their website. And in case you haven't noticed, this isn't just my opinion, I didn't start this thread. I'm sorry, I'm not going to blindly defend anything PJ related.

mdg164

SheetsOfClay wrote:

Ah, the "Pearl Jam can do no wrong" apologists are out in full force in this thread, using the same old tired "love it or leave it, be thankful for what you have" argument that conservative politicians use so often.

The guy has a legitimate issue about the lack of full disclosure when ordering the CDs. Yes, we all love Pearl Jam. Yes, we are thankful for the official boots. But why is a well-voiced opinion about business practices always met with "shut up", "deal with it", etc.?

Things don't get better if people don't express opinions.

Grow up.

While I agree with your point 100%, I don't see the link to conservative politicians. Can you present an example?

freindlyfired

mdg164 wrote:

While I agree with your point 100%, I don't see the link to conservative politicians. Can you present an example?

Yea, lets hear it...