It's not interpretation; it's definition. A hard copy is something physical and a soft copy is not.
And why can you "reproduce" CD-Rs and not silvers? What is the limitation? Unless it was one of the few Sony CDs a few years back with the copy protection (which they were sued for and lost) what is preventing you from copying a pressed CD?
I posted ~7 different reasons that it was misleading. Please address the others! You keyed in on one. And you are basically tyring to persuade me that my interpretation is wrong? Again you have to take in to account the other supporting reasons I posted, and the 2000/2003 physical boots.
I can't repoduce a pressed CD at home, because I don't have a machine to press CD's at home.... do you? I can copy pressed CD's at home on to CD-R's, but I can't reproduce CD's.
Isn't it obvious what my problem is.? You even spell it out! I was expecting somthing different, and I didn't get it. Why was I expecting something different.... because that is what they led us to believe. Am I upset that I got stuck with CD-R's? Not really... I am upset that 10C mis-led everyone, and many people on this board will stick up for them!
And my question to you is: CD-R or silvers, what the hell difference does it make? As far as I'm concerned, they are basically identical products. You put them in your CD player, you hear a Pearl Jam show.
Don't see the problem.
What I am actually pissed about is the company that screwed us on shipping! Note that I prefaced my statement:
If they didn't screw us on shipping, I would have bought the CD-R's. They clearly did screw us, so all bets are off. The problem here is I am still waiting for my shows, when I could have downloaded and burnt them weeks ago. They should make MP3 download available as soon as you pay for the show!
How did they "screw you" on shipping? Shipping is free. Obviously, they are going to send the shows in the manner that is most cost efficient for them. You didn't get screwed. You're just impatient.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I will agree that their shipping methods were/are questionable. That is based on the fact that the 10c told me no matter how many boots I add to my order they would ship individually once they are available. This was a lie. Other than that there is no need for complaining. The email was straight-forward; there was no need to read any posts on this board to know that they would be CD-Rs. If there was any uncertainty it should have been addressed to the 10c BEFORE placing any type of order.
I will agree that the email could have been clearer and actually contained the word "CD-R" but once again, it was clear enough and if you had any doubts...
Also, the difference of seven dollars??? How about a difference of $2 since you are comparing a heavily compressed MP3 format to the CD-Rs, when you should be comparing the cost of the FLACs to the CD-Rs (same quality). And I paid the extra $2 gladly; I didn't have to create/print any art for the discs/cover art and I have slim cardboard sleeves to use instead of using jewel cases.
Lastly, "reproduce". From dictionary.com: to make a copy, representation, duplicate, or close imitation of. I asked my question based on the definition of the word, or my interpretation of...
And my question to you is: CD-R or silvers, what the hell difference does it make? As far as I'm concerned, they are basically identical products. You put them in your CD player, you hear a Pearl Jam show.
Don't see the problem.
How did they "screw you" on shipping? Shipping is free. Obviously, they are going to send the shows in the manner that is most cost efficient for them. You didn't get screwed. You're just impatient.
I've only said this about 100 times already. It's not the product. It's the fac that they mis-lead everyone!
As for Shipping, I will refer you to Ralph's post:
I will agree that their shipping methods were/are questionable. That is based on the fact that the 10c told me no matter how many boots I add to my order they would ship individually once they are available. This was a lie. Other than that there is no need for complaining. The email was straight-forward; there was no need to read any posts on this board to know that they would be CD-Rs. If there was any uncertainty it should have been addressed to the 10c BEFORE placing any type of order.
I will agree that the email could have been clearer and actually contained the word "CD-R" but once again, it was clear enough and if you had any doubts...
What Email? You can't assume that everyone is a 10C memeber.
Lastly, "reproduce". From dictionary.com: to make a copy, representation, duplicate, or close imitation of. I asked my question based on the definition of the word, or my interpretation of...
It depends on your defintion of "close imitation of". In my opinion, a CD-R is not a close imitation of a pressed CD. It is not silver, it has no artwork on the disc, it has no case or sleeve. Actually the only simularity is the music on the disc. So I can not reproduce pressed CD's at home, but I can make CD-R copies.
"Hey Ralph, that is a great CD; could you reproduce it for me?" - Who says that?!?!?!
What Email? You can't assume that everyone is a 10C memeber.
The email that was sent out explaining the boot process this year. The same text could be found on the official website that day, along with various newspapers and other websites.
It depends on your defintion of "close imitation of". In my opinion, a CD-R is not a close imitation of a pressed CD. It is not silver, it has no artwork on the disc, it has no case or sleeve. Actually the only simularity is the music on the disc. So I can not reproduce pressed CD's at home, but I can make CD-R copies.
Once again, we have different interpretations of the word. Mine is copy/recreate; yours is to professionally press a CD. Now we know, so let's leave it alone.
"Hey Ralph, that is a great CD; could you reproduce it for me?" - Who says that?!?!?!
I do.
You also mentioned you would like me to comment on your 7 something or others. I'm not going to search through all these pages to find them so if you want my opinion feel free to repost and if I have some downtime at work today I'll take a look. Or maybe I won't...it all depends on my mood at the time.
The email that was sent out explaining the boot process this year. The same text could be found on the official website that day, along with various newspapers and other websites.
If you want my opinion feel free to repost and if I have some downtime at work today I'll take a look. Or maybe I won't...it all depends on my mood at the time.
Here is an excerpt from some of my earlier posts:
The only place on PJ.com that says "burnt to order is buried in the news. Not everyone reads the news, not everyone reads the message board. The link I looked at is directly to the site where you actually buy the Boots. That link is on the main page of PJ.com. Why should someone have to read the news to see if they are paying for a CD or CD-R? Why is it buried there?
Made to order, not "burn to order" on the actual order page hard copy bootlegs, not soft copy CD-R's physical CD is listed, not physical CD-R or burnt CD CDs will be manufactured, not CD-R's will be burnt official bootleg CD program, not burnt CDR program provide fans with high-quality affordable bootlegs, not low-quality CD-R's
Most importantly: 2000/2003 physical boots were pressed
There were plenty of places to clarify this issue. I find plenty of ambigous statements that lead someone who bought 2000/2003 boots to ASSUME they were getting the same thing. As for shipping, there is NO place that clearly lists the truth about bulk shipping.
I ordered the DC, MSG, and Hartford shows a little while ago. Anyone know when I should expect them? Its been over 3 weeks (the amount of time they said) from the concert date.
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The only place on PJ.com that says "burnt to order is buried in the news. Not everyone reads the news, not everyone reads the message board. The link I looked at is directly to the site where you actually buy the Boots. That link is on the main page of PJ.com. Why should someone have to read the news to see if they are paying for a CD or CD-R? Why is it buried there?
Made to order, not "burn to order" on the actual order page
Made to order should have set off a flag as pressed CDs cannot possibly be made to order.
I ordered the DC, MSG, and Hartford shows a little while ago. Anyone know when I should expect them? Its been over 3 weeks (the amount of time they said) from the concert date.
The "3 week rule" is more or less a lie. I would contact Kufala with your order number and they should be able to advise.
I ordered the DC, MSG, and Hartford shows a little while ago. Anyone know when I should expect them? Its been over 3 weeks (the amount of time they said) from the concert date.
if you ordered them all together, they would be waiting until the hartford disc is ready to go. yes, officially the hartford gig was 3 weeks ago on frieday 07.18, but i think they've been a wee bit slower there. i already received DC and MSG I, MSG II is probably waiting at home today...don't think i got an email for hartford yet, but probably today or tomorrow...so you should know, and get them, SOON!
Made to order should have set off a flag as pressed CDs cannot possibly be made to order.
Already discussed
Same as above
CD-Rs still need to be manufactured
It's still their official bootleg program, whether it's CDs, CD-Rs, digital downloads, etc.
They still are high quality affordable bootlegs, no matter what medium is used
You are correct
I already agreed with this
Very simply, any place that says "made" or "manufactured" should say "burnt". Any place that says CD, should say CD-R. That would be perfectly clear!
Hard Copy Bootlegs- Opinion, I can't be wrong Physical CD, should have been Physical CD-R CDs will be manufactured - Should be CD-R's will be burnt. (manufacture - something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery. You manufacture blank CD-R's, Kufala BURNS them.) official bootleg CD program, should have been Official bootleg CD-R program high-quality affordable bootlegs - opinion again, I don't think CD-R's with stick on labels are near the same quality as pressed CDs with professional labels.
Again, the point is, there was ONE place that clearly said "burnt". I found out about it weeks after I ordered. It was on the news page of PJ.com, not on the main page of PJ.com, not on the site that actually is selling the boots. Given our experience is 2000/2003 pressed boots, and the above mis-leading statements, we expected pressed CDs. I'm not even getting in to shipping.
Made to order should have set off a flag as pressed CDs cannot possibly be made to order.
Pressed CD’s are made, CD-R’s are burnt. The 2003 pressed CDs were made to order, and not available in stores. People ordered the boots, they made pressed enough for the people who ordered them. You could download low quality MP3s when you got home from the show! Great system!
I believe it is misleading to sell the boots as CD-Rs. I did not see anywhere that these were CD-Rs. I expected them to be (for $16.99) professionally mastered CDs. CD-Rs do not play in my high end CD player and had I know these were not regular CDs, I would not have purchased them. Why not just download the shows for $9.99 and burn your own CDs?
That being said, I do find the sound quality to be a bit better than some have suggested on this board.
I am listening to the boots through my PS3, I had to change the audio output to 48 kHz to get them to play correctly. Don't know if your player has an adjustment for that or not.
Just realized another reason why CD-R's are bad. If you have a job that requires security clearance, they have rules against what kind of media you can take to work. MP3 players have hard drives and can't be used. CD-R's are not allowed. If you want to listen to music at work, you have to listen to pressed CDs. You won't be listening to your 2008 PJ boots at work!
Just realized another reason why CD-R's are bad. If you have a job that requires security clearance, they have rules against what kind of media you can take to work. MP3 players have hard drives and can't be used. CD-R's are not allowed. If you want to listen to music at work, you have to listen to pressed CDs. You won't be listening to your 2008 PJ boots at work!
Not going to argue with your "7 rules" or whatever anymore since your comebacks are always the same and it's a pointless discussion when you can't accept the fact that hard copy does in fact refer to something physical that can be held in your hand, for example.
As for the above quote: I've been listening to my '08 boots at work since receiving them. I bring my iPod and jump drive to work every day and have since I started this job four years ago. If my employer started passing restrictions like your job then I would be looking for a different employer. I can't work without my music.
Something I've been meaning to ask you: What's the CD-R in all of your posts in possession of? You always make reference to "CD-R's"; what does that mean? That's beyond my brain...
Not going to argue with your "7 rules" or whatever anymore since your comebacks are always the same and it's a pointless discussion when you can't accept the fact that hard copy does in fact refer to something physical that can be held in your hand, for example.
As for the above quote: I've been listening to my '08 boots at work since receiving them. I bring my iPod and jump drive to work every day and have since I started this job four years ago. If my employer started passing restrictions like your job then I would be looking for a different employer. I can't work without my music.
Something I've been meaning to ask you: What's the CD-R in all of your posts in possession of? You always make reference to "CD-R's"; what does that mean? That's beyond my brain...
Maybe they are in possession of Crappy Quality? I took CD-R's from someone else's post for continuity; obviously I know the proper usage of an apostrophe. But given the terrible state of grammar and spelling on this board, I think you can find other things to nitpick. Adding an apostrophe in plural acronyms is quite common! It helps preserve the acronym, so someone doesn't think it is a CD-RS. It's about knowing your audience... sometimes you have to dumb things down! For example, I know mis-led is not the proper usage, but it is easier to understand than misled. BTW, you missed that error!
Seems like a cop-out for not wanting to address the issues. Every time I post many reasons why someone could be mis-led, you ignore them. Then you attack my opinion on "Hard Copy"! How can my opinion be wrong!?!?!? I can turn a blank CD-R (soft) in to anything, but I can't with a pressed CD (hard). I'd love to hear how pressed CD's can't be "made to order" in 2008, even though they could in 2003? But since you want to nitpick, you better watch out for fragment sentences, and lack of punctuation!
I'm sure they are not as strict at your job at the grammar police! I assume by '08 that you meant 2008, and not 1908. Some people have jobs that deal with sensitive information, and our employer has policies on media that can be brought in to work. It is very easy for someone to pop a sticker on to a CD-R full of sensitive information and try to pass it off as music. Since most normal people don't have a CD press for making silvers that they can sneak in to work, they don't worry about pressed CDs. I need to stop by grammar police HQ and use the CD press you guys have, I need to duplicate my 2008 bootlegs! Do you think my employer is just being mean by not letting us have CD-R’s or hard drives at work? Or do you think it might be necessary to make sure that sensitive data doesn’t walk out the door? I don’t know of any jobs with these restrictions that aren’t good, high paying jobs. Getting to listen to 4 PJ boots will not make me leave. I have seen 30 other PJ shows, and have plenty of pressed 2000/2003 boots to listen to at work. It would just be nice if the pressed boots they advertised would have actually showed up instead of these damn CD-R's!
So i was at MSG 1 and Hartford and bought those boots and.......
They sound like shit !
Both of them. Mix way off. These shows were exhilarating to be at live but wow what a colossal dissapointment to receive these boots and instead of reliving an fantastic concert experience, I am hounded by how off the mixes are. This is not complaining for the sake of complaining. This band has put out better boots and they should be held accountable when they release this sub par selection. I think Pearl Jam is in their own league with how they compose themselves as a band and treat the fans but that doesn't mean that these boots aren't lesser quality. They are , deal with it. Like we have to deal with the boots we are not happy with.
I like to consider myself an honest, straightforward guy immune to bullshit.
So i was at MSG 1 and Hartford and bought those boots and.......
They sound like shit !
Both of them. Mix way off. These shows were exhilarating to be at live but wow what a colossal dissapointment to receive these boots and instead of reliving an fantastic concert experience, I am hounded by how off the mixes are. This is not complaining for the sake of complaining. This band has put out better boots and they should be held accountable when they release this sub par selection. I think Pearl Jam is in their own league with how they compose themselves as a band and treat the fans but that doesn't mean that these boots aren't lesser quality. They are , deal with it. Like we have to deal with the boots we are not happy with.
wow..i have downloaded every show in FLAC and find them to be quite good. I guess the only thing that will make the masses happy is to have isolated downloads of each musician to allow us to do our own mixes..oh wait, people will bitch about it being too much work...
I guess the only thing that will make the masses happy is to have isolated downloads of each musician to allow us to do our own mixes..oh wait, people will bitch about it being too much work...
Or they could just give us the truth.... we can handle the truth! I apologize for the masses for expecting truth in advertising.
They sound like shit !
Both of them. Mix way off. These shows were exhilarating to be at live but wow what a colossal dissapointment to receive these boots and instead of reliving an fantastic concert experience, I am hounded by how off the mixes are.
I don't think the mixes are that bad actually...the same balance as 2006 for the most part. My problem is with the mastering, which is way over the top.
... I guess the only thing that will make the masses happy is to have isolated downloads of each musician to allow us to do our own mixes...
I absolutely love that idea. Mixing is an art of it's own. Id love to isolate the bass and drum and vocals so that I could play along on guitar. "HIT THE ROAD MCCREADY!!" I'm sure karaoke tech junkies, if they exist, would appreciate it as well. Unmixed studio albums would be really nice. I've always wanted to hear the entire solo at the end of "All or None". allowing people to mix their own tracks could open a whole new art form to casual listeners as well as the die-hards. I bet Kayne West would love to use some samples from PJ :0
As far as the CD-r issue goes, just mark it up as a lesson learned and not to order anymore official crap from 10C. There is a free trade of unofficial boots. PJ just makes obtaining material it more accessible not necessarily better or higher quality. I can see the misinterpretation of the description, but all-in-all it's a bootleg, not a studio album. Most 10C members want collector items and forget to appreciate the music.
I really dont understand what you guys are talking about
Can someone pick one song from Tampa, Camden I, DC, or Columbia and give me an example of what their issues are?
I know sometiem Mieks solos are hard to hear but give me a different example of "bad mix".
from what Ive read most of the problems are from Mikes side. But Mike is using a phase pedal all the time and there arent many mids in it.
Someone pick a song from the listed shows in my post so I can hear what you're talking about
There is a reason these are called "bootlegs"
Also most people here dont even know how to download the MP3s so being able to mix isnt a good idea. People will complain about that too
Also I think FLAC is the answer. All the FLAC shows I have are great!
Just got my boots, had to start with Mansfield 2 because I was dying to hear Wash again, I think this boot sounds fucking great, but thats just my opinion.
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I thought the same thing when I received Hartford this weekend. The mix makes the band sound like it was a terrible show (which by being there seeing Pearl Jam for the 6th time, it was NOT). You can't hear Mike for the first half of disc 1! If the Boston mixes are like this I'll bet they'll be way more complaints...
I thought the same thing when I received Hartford this weekend. The mix makes the band sound like it was a terrible show (which by being there seeing Pearl Jam for the 6th time, it was NOT). You can't hear Mike for the first half of disc 1! If the Boston mixes are like this I'll bet they'll be way more complaints...
I agree. All I know is I can barely here any lead guitar on MSG 1 and Hartford. I listen to the gorge disc set and they sound great. I'm no audiophile but these 2008 boots are not quite right, there is something off in the mix (or mastering as a previous poster has stated)
I encourage you guys to compare the mix on the gorges "sad" and either "sad" on MSG1 and Hartford and you will see quite a difference.
I agree. All I know is I can barely here any lead guitar on MSG 1 and Hartford. I listen to the gorge disc set and they sound great. I'm no audiophile but these 2008 boots are not quite right, there is something off in the mix (or mastering as a previous poster has stated)
I encourage you guys to compare the mix on the gorges "sad" and either "sad" on MSG1 and Hartford and you will see quite a difference.
Thats not the bootleg, thats PJs sound man. I think the whole tour you cant hear the leads.
Also Mike is using a phaser and it scoops the sound which is also a problem.
Its not the bootlegs, they are only capturing whats already there
the sound is definitely not right on these. have DC and WPB, and just not the quality of previous years. Oh well, still better than nothing. The way I look at it, it's new PJ for me, and thats a good thing.
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I posted ~7 different reasons that it was misleading. Please address the others! You keyed in on one. And you are basically tyring to persuade me that my interpretation is wrong? Again you have to take in to account the other supporting reasons I posted, and the 2000/2003 physical boots.
I can't repoduce a pressed CD at home, because I don't have a machine to press CD's at home.... do you? I can copy pressed CD's at home on to CD-R's, but I can't reproduce CD's.
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
And my question to you is: CD-R or silvers, what the hell difference does it make? As far as I'm concerned, they are basically identical products. You put them in your CD player, you hear a Pearl Jam show.
Don't see the problem.
How did they "screw you" on shipping? Shipping is free. Obviously, they are going to send the shows in the manner that is most cost efficient for them. You didn't get screwed. You're just impatient.
for the least they could possibly do
I will agree that the email could have been clearer and actually contained the word "CD-R" but once again, it was clear enough and if you had any doubts...
Also, the difference of seven dollars??? How about a difference of $2 since you are comparing a heavily compressed MP3 format to the CD-Rs, when you should be comparing the cost of the FLACs to the CD-Rs (same quality). And I paid the extra $2 gladly; I didn't have to create/print any art for the discs/cover art and I have slim cardboard sleeves to use instead of using jewel cases.
Lastly, "reproduce". From dictionary.com: to make a copy, representation, duplicate, or close imitation of. I asked my question based on the definition of the word, or my interpretation of...
I've only said this about 100 times already. It's not the product. It's the fac that they mis-lead everyone!
As for Shipping, I will refer you to Ralph's post:
What Email? You can't assume that everyone is a 10C memeber.
It depends on your defintion of "close imitation of". In my opinion, a CD-R is not a close imitation of a pressed CD. It is not silver, it has no artwork on the disc, it has no case or sleeve. Actually the only simularity is the music on the disc. So I can not reproduce pressed CD's at home, but I can make CD-R copies.
"Hey Ralph, that is a great CD; could you reproduce it for me?" - Who says that?!?!?!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
The email that was sent out explaining the boot process this year. The same text could be found on the official website that day, along with various newspapers and other websites.
Once again, we have different interpretations of the word. Mine is copy/recreate; yours is to professionally press a CD. Now we know, so let's leave it alone.
I do.
You also mentioned you would like me to comment on your 7 something or others. I'm not going to search through all these pages to find them so if you want my opinion feel free to repost and if I have some downtime at work today I'll take a look. Or maybe I won't...it all depends on my mood at the time.
Here is an excerpt from some of my earlier posts:
The only place on PJ.com that says "burnt to order is buried in the news. Not everyone reads the news, not everyone reads the message board. The link I looked at is directly to the site where you actually buy the Boots. That link is on the main page of PJ.com. Why should someone have to read the news to see if they are paying for a CD or CD-R? Why is it buried there?
Made to order, not "burn to order" on the actual order page
hard copy bootlegs, not soft copy CD-R's
physical CD is listed, not physical CD-R or burnt CD
CDs will be manufactured, not CD-R's will be burnt
official bootleg CD program, not burnt CDR program
provide fans with high-quality affordable bootlegs, not low-quality CD-R's
Most importantly:
2000/2003 physical boots were pressed
There were plenty of places to clarify this issue. I find plenty of ambigous statements that lead someone who bought 2000/2003 boots to ASSUME they were getting the same thing. As for shipping, there is NO place that clearly lists the truth about bulk shipping.
Gimme some truth!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
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Already discussed
Same as above
CD-Rs still need to be manufactured
It's still their official bootleg program, whether it's CDs, CD-Rs, digital downloads, etc.
They still are high quality affordable bootlegs, no matter what medium is used
You are correct
I already agreed with this
The "3 week rule" is more or less a lie. I would contact Kufala with your order number and they should be able to advise.
if you ordered them all together, they would be waiting until the hartford disc is ready to go. yes, officially the hartford gig was 3 weeks ago on frieday 07.18, but i think they've been a wee bit slower there. i already received DC and MSG I, MSG II is probably waiting at home today...don't think i got an email for hartford yet, but probably today or tomorrow...so you should know, and get them, SOON!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Very simply, any place that says "made" or "manufactured" should say "burnt". Any place that says CD, should say CD-R. That would be perfectly clear!
Hard Copy Bootlegs- Opinion, I can't be wrong
Physical CD, should have been Physical CD-R
CDs will be manufactured - Should be CD-R's will be burnt. (manufacture - something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery. You manufacture blank CD-R's, Kufala BURNS them.)
official bootleg CD program, should have been Official bootleg CD-R program
high-quality affordable bootlegs - opinion again, I don't think CD-R's with stick on labels are near the same quality as pressed CDs with professional labels.
Again, the point is, there was ONE place that clearly said "burnt". I found out about it weeks after I ordered. It was on the news page of PJ.com, not on the main page of PJ.com, not on the site that actually is selling the boots. Given our experience is 2000/2003 pressed boots, and the above mis-leading statements, we expected pressed CDs. I'm not even getting in to shipping.
Pressed CD’s are made, CD-R’s are burnt. The 2003 pressed CDs were made to order, and not available in stores. People ordered the boots, they made pressed enough for the people who ordered them. You could download low quality MP3s when you got home from the show! Great system!
04/25/03 05/02/03 5/3/03 6/24/03 6/28/03 7/5/03 7/6/03 7/11/03 7/12/03 7/14/03
09/28/04 09/29/04 10/01/04 10/02/04
09/28/05 09/30/05 10/03/05
5/24/06 5/25/06 5/27/06 5/28/06 5/30/06 6/01/06 6/03/06 6/23/06 6/24/06 7/22/06 7/23/06
6/20/08 6/22/08 6/24/08 6/25/08
Only gripe would be that $16.99 is a bit much for these so I only bought the one show I attended (DC).
Probably should have just bought the MP3's though as I seldom listen to music other than on my MP3 players these days anyway.
2006: Camden I & II, DC
2008: DC, Ed DC II
I am listening to the boots through my PS3, I had to change the audio output to 48 kHz to get them to play correctly. Don't know if your player has an adjustment for that or not.
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Not going to argue with your "7 rules" or whatever anymore since your comebacks are always the same and it's a pointless discussion when you can't accept the fact that hard copy does in fact refer to something physical that can be held in your hand, for example.
As for the above quote: I've been listening to my '08 boots at work since receiving them. I bring my iPod and jump drive to work every day and have since I started this job four years ago. If my employer started passing restrictions like your job then I would be looking for a different employer. I can't work without my music.
Something I've been meaning to ask you: What's the CD-R in all of your posts in possession of? You always make reference to "CD-R's"; what does that mean? That's beyond my brain...
Maybe they are in possession of Crappy Quality? I took CD-R's from someone else's post for continuity; obviously I know the proper usage of an apostrophe. But given the terrible state of grammar and spelling on this board, I think you can find other things to nitpick. Adding an apostrophe in plural acronyms is quite common! It helps preserve the acronym, so someone doesn't think it is a CD-RS. It's about knowing your audience... sometimes you have to dumb things down! For example, I know mis-led is not the proper usage, but it is easier to understand than misled. BTW, you missed that error!
Seems like a cop-out for not wanting to address the issues. Every time I post many reasons why someone could be mis-led, you ignore them. Then you attack my opinion on "Hard Copy"! How can my opinion be wrong!?!?!? I can turn a blank CD-R (soft) in to anything, but I can't with a pressed CD (hard). I'd love to hear how pressed CD's can't be "made to order" in 2008, even though they could in 2003? But since you want to nitpick, you better watch out for fragment sentences, and lack of punctuation!
I'm sure they are not as strict at your job at the grammar police! I assume by '08 that you meant 2008, and not 1908. Some people have jobs that deal with sensitive information, and our employer has policies on media that can be brought in to work. It is very easy for someone to pop a sticker on to a CD-R full of sensitive information and try to pass it off as music. Since most normal people don't have a CD press for making silvers that they can sneak in to work, they don't worry about pressed CDs. I need to stop by grammar police HQ and use the CD press you guys have, I need to duplicate my 2008 bootlegs! Do you think my employer is just being mean by not letting us have CD-R’s or hard drives at work? Or do you think it might be necessary to make sure that sensitive data doesn’t walk out the door? I don’t know of any jobs with these restrictions that aren’t good, high paying jobs. Getting to listen to 4 PJ boots will not make me leave. I have seen 30 other PJ shows, and have plenty of pressed 2000/2003 boots to listen to at work. It would just be nice if the pressed boots they advertised would have actually showed up instead of these damn CD-R's!
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They sound like shit !
Both of them. Mix way off. These shows were exhilarating to be at live but wow what a colossal dissapointment to receive these boots and instead of reliving an fantastic concert experience, I am hounded by how off the mixes are. This is not complaining for the sake of complaining. This band has put out better boots and they should be held accountable when they release this sub par selection. I think Pearl Jam is in their own league with how they compose themselves as a band and treat the fans but that doesn't mean that these boots aren't lesser quality. They are , deal with it. Like we have to deal with the boots we are not happy with.
wow..i have downloaded every show in FLAC and find them to be quite good. I guess the only thing that will make the masses happy is to have isolated downloads of each musician to allow us to do our own mixes..oh wait, people will bitch about it being too much work...
Or they could just give us the truth.... we can handle the truth! I apologize for the masses for expecting truth in advertising.
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I don't think the mixes are that bad actually...the same balance as 2006 for the most part. My problem is with the mastering, which is way over the top.
As far as the CD-r issue goes, just mark it up as a lesson learned and not to order anymore official crap from 10C. There is a free trade of unofficial boots. PJ just makes obtaining material it more accessible not necessarily better or higher quality. I can see the misinterpretation of the description, but all-in-all it's a bootleg, not a studio album. Most 10C members want collector items and forget to appreciate the music.
Can someone pick one song from Tampa, Camden I, DC, or Columbia and give me an example of what their issues are?
I know sometiem Mieks solos are hard to hear but give me a different example of "bad mix".
from what Ive read most of the problems are from Mikes side. But Mike is using a phase pedal all the time and there arent many mids in it.
Someone pick a song from the listed shows in my post so I can hear what you're talking about
There is a reason these are called "bootlegs"
Also most people here dont even know how to download the MP3s so being able to mix isnt a good idea. People will complain about that too
Also I think FLAC is the answer. All the FLAC shows I have are great!
Actually, MSG 1 sounds really good. (Try listening with headphones maybe). MSG2 sounds a little off at times.
But MSG1 is probably the best of the batch I've heard from this tour.
for the least they could possibly do
I agree. All I know is I can barely here any lead guitar on MSG 1 and Hartford. I listen to the gorge disc set and they sound great. I'm no audiophile but these 2008 boots are not quite right, there is something off in the mix (or mastering as a previous poster has stated)
I encourage you guys to compare the mix on the gorges "sad" and either "sad" on MSG1 and Hartford and you will see quite a difference.
Thats not the bootleg, thats PJs sound man. I think the whole tour you cant hear the leads.
Also Mike is using a phaser and it scoops the sound which is also a problem.
Its not the bootlegs, they are only capturing whats already there
Ill check out what you mean with both Sad's