Very Upset with CD-Rs

slightofjeff

olderman wrote:

There are gaps between tracks on my Bonnaroo boot. My WPB and Tampa do not have the gaps. This implies an inconsistent production process at Kafula.

I don't think Kafula will be back for the next bootleg series.

There are no gaps on my 'roo boot. this is pretty weird.

olderman

it is weird. i was very surprised. quality of sound is ok but someone forgot to check the 'eliminate pause between tracks' box before pressing the burn button. (that's the way it is with NERO when i burn tracks to a CD-R)

mdg164

raszputini wrote:

2. Bands in the "jamband" community have been doing this "mastered bootleg" thing for a very long time - longer than PJ. Phish, Widespread Panic, Government Mule, Phil and Friends, Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Particle, and many have the same system. You can buy mp3 or flacs for download, flacs are usually a little more expensive, or you can order them and have them shipped, in which case you get the same thing (BURNT). You are paying extra for the packaging. PJ is doing the same thing that other bands that distribute all their live shows do.

2) This point has no relavance. I've barely heard of a few of those bands, let alone know their bootleg system.

raszputini wrote:

3. I didn't expect pressed boots. I understand the confusion from the various statements coming from 10c, but I would've done a little more digging before I assumed these were going to be silvers.

3) Of course you didn't expect pressed boots! Obviously your knowlege of obscure jambands has influenced your expectations. Most of us only know PJ 2000 and 2003 for Physical bootlegs, both of which are pressed CDs. Given that prior knowledge, and the incredibly mis-leading wording.... It's no wonder that many of us expected pressed CDs. So you are basically saying that we should not trust the 10C, and we should dig deep and explore every claim they make?

mozetti

To quote Artie Lange (comedian/Howard Stern show)

Waaaaah!

Travelar

mdg164 wrote:

2) This point has no relavance. I've barely heard of a few of those bands, let alone know their bootleg system.

For someone who told me to get off the boards and get a life, you're spending a lot of time on here bitching and complaining about $17. Time to either move on having learned a lesson, or return your product.

decides2dream

i don't know why so many are giving the OP such a hard time. it's a legitimate complaint. i WAS well aware that the cds would in fact be cd-rs and am 100% a-ok with it. i just wanted physical discs and cases. although looking at it now, i kinda like the art from the2005 canadian tour and the 2006 euro tour better, even if i had to burn and make the art myself. haha. however, i have clamored for them to return to releasing physical discs, they have...and that makes me happy!

however, the OP does have a point; EVERYwhere the cds were mentioned it should've been very CLEARLY stated that you were in fact purchasing cd-rs. not a difficult thing. as i said, i am totally fine with it. i've also heard mention that there is a lifetime guarantee behind the discs, would be nice to see that 'officially' stated somewhere. my only complaint with the discs is when trying to load to my ipod program, VERY inconsistent.unprofessional labeling of discs. within the same show, different methods of naming each disc...some had a different year listefd on each disc! cmon....hahaha. drove my husband batty. small issue yes, but if they are hiring pros to do the job, well then, they should do a pro job...ain't that difficult. i do feel for those of you who placed one massive order instead of ordering each disc individually. once i heard there was free shipping, i ordered all 5 of my shows individually to make sure i got em as they came. that could've been clearly stated as well.


bottomline...i am HAPPY. we have more options for boots this time around than ever before. pearl jam/10c has listened to our requests and followed through and i soooooooo appreciate it! please, please, pleeeeeeaaaassssseeeee don't EVER do away with the bootleg program, i LOVE it! :cool:

mdg164

TrAvELAr wrote:

For someone who told me to get off the boards and get a life, you're spending a lot of time on here bitching and complaining about $17. Time to either move on having learned a lesson, or return your product.

What's worse, complaining about being screwed by a corporation; or complaining about the people who are complaining... most likely because you blindly endorse anything PJ does. Who is really wasting their time?

TrAvELAr wrote:

It's a good fuckin' thing I read every post then. You're missing out.

See, you are the one who said they read every post on this board, to which I replied:

mdg164 wrote:

That's OK, I will keep my life.... you should get one too!

Vastly different than your claim! For the record, I quickly took a look at my most recent posts....

07-18-2008, 02:31 PM
07-19-2008, 02:10 PM
07-20-2008, 11:45 AM
07-21-2008, 08:02 AM

Basically 1 a day, each post taking no more than 5 minutes. Yep... a real time waster!

ballgame

raszputini wrote:

1. My experience has been that high-end stereo systems have no problem with "burnt" CDs, it's low-end and in particular, older systems that have difficulty.

2. Bands in the "jamband" community have been doing this "mastered bootleg" thing for a very long time - longer than PJ. Phish, Widespread Panic, Government Mule, Phil and Friends, Umphrey's McGee, STS9, Particle, and many have the same system. You can buy mp3 or flacs for download, flacs are usually a little more expensive, or you can order them and have them shipped, in which case you get the same thing (BURNT). You are paying extra for the packaging. PJ is doing the same thing that other bands that distribute all their live shows do.

3. I didn't expect pressed boots. I understand the confusion from the various statements coming from 10c, but I would've done a little more digging before I assumed these were going to be silvers.

4. There's no way with mastering, production, packaging, etc. that PJ is making a ton of money on these. They're probably making some, but they should.

5. As we get more and more digital and peer-to-peer, we can expect more of these kind of decisions, which is the decision to distribute this stuff in the quickest, least expensive and easiest way. It is very difficult to project sales on these bootlegs, which in turn makes it difficult to know how many to press. Unless you're going to keep going back and making press run after press run - which is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. That's why PJ has gradually moved away from the model they used in 2000. Remember, this all began to undercut bootleggers who were charging $25 to $30 bucks 10 years ago for a far lesser quality recording. These boots are not physically designed to be "durable", the data itself is forever durable and can be reproduced over and over. That's the idea.

6. I think we all just need to be happy we're getting them in any form. Most "big, rich rock bands" don't do this - because it isn't a real money-maker. Radiohead and NIN, who are as progressive this stuff as anyone, don't even do this. The impression I've gotten over the past few tours is that PJ isn't that excited about continuing to do this and are doing so simply because the fans REALLY want them. Remember the 2007 tour?

+1
Good post
Too much complaining they'll stop doing boots. Thats why they are called "bootlegs" after all.

The Tragically Hip and Joe Bonamassa encourage tapers. So its whoever tapes the show it is what it is. But to have a big band like this offer this service is unique and we should treat it like that

On the other hand I think the problems with packaging are unacceptable. People getting the wrong shows and whatnot

To me it sounds like PJ switched companies or something

elderman

I received my Bonnaroo cds today, what a surprise I got.....
Listening to the 3rd disc Eddie starts into Crazy Mary..I'm thinking "what the fuck, they just played Crazy Mary towards the end of Disc 2, have they made a really funny screw-up on their set list, waiting for someone in the group to intervene or say something and all have a laugh!

No such fun, pearljam.com just sent me Washington disc 3 instead of Bonnaroo disc 3.

Travelar

mdg164 wrote:

Vastly different than your claim! For the record, I quickly took a look at my most recent posts....

07-18-2008, 02:31 PM
07-19-2008, 02:10 PM
07-20-2008, 11:45 AM
07-21-2008, 08:02 AM

Basically 1 a day, each post taking no more than 5 minutes. Yep... a real time waster!

Are you 12? Because that's the exact same thing my niece would do. If you are, I can understand your fascination of just bitching instead of trying to rectify the problem. If you're older than 12, then maybe you should take a break and get some perspective in your life.

arakias

mdg164 wrote:

made to order, not "burn to order" on the actual order page
hard copy bootlegs, not soft copy CD-R's
physical CD is listed, not physical CD-R or burnt CD
CDs will be manufactured, not CD-R's will be burnt
official bootleg CD program, not burnt CDR program
provide fans with high-quality affordable bootlegs, not low-quality CD-R's

worst comparisons ever. "Bootlegs" should imply a homemade sense. Everyone quit whining for petes sake. I hope you didnt buy em all...

olderman

olderman wrote:

There are gaps between tracks on my Bonnaroo boot. My WPB and Tampa do not have the gaps. This implies an inconsistent production process at Kafula.

I don't think Kafula will be back for the next bootleg series.

I listened to Bonnaroo Disc 1 today on my way to and from work. There were NO GAPS. The gaps only happened on my desk top using the Media Player. I don't understand why the gaps are present on the DT. Doesn't matter as I usually don't listen to CD's on my computer. Neverthelss, I felt it would be only right to correct myself as there have been plenty of bad vibes regarding the boots.

The only thing I am waiting for now is my two missing Bonnaroo boots.

btw, I thought the sound was fuckin' AWESOME!!!

mdg164

TrAvELAr wrote:

Are you 12? Because that's the exact same thing my niece would do. If you are, I can understand your fascination of just bitching instead of trying to rectify the problem. If you're older than 12, then maybe you should take a break and get some perspective in your life.

So your 12 year old niece would point out that you are wrong too? I'm sorry that even children can figure you out! I see you skip the fact that I point out that you completely misquoted me, and go right for an insult... is that all you got? What is your fascination with bitching in this thread? Why do you care what other people's problems? Can't you find anything in your own life to worry about? Or is it your life's goal to blindly agree with PJ?

Arakias wrote:

worst comparisons ever. "Bootlegs" should imply a homemade sense. Everyone quit whining for petes sake. I hope you didnt buy em all...

It's funny that you mention the worst comparison ever, because I think you just gave it. "Bootlegs SHOULD IMPLY a homemade SENSE".... what does that even mean? Let's just ignore the fact that the website is VERY mis-leading, and blindly agree with PJ! Let's ignore the fact that 2000 and 2003 boots were pressed CDs. More importantly, why do you care if we are upset?

Fury Three

I'd be concerned about these discs being burned if they weren't Taiyo Yuden. I think they should be commended for using proper media. If anyone else were handling this, you would likely receive Taiwanese coasters.

raszputini

A lot of you folks are just ungrateful shits. If I were the boys, I'd just stop making them. There, problem friggin' solved. Let's all just forget the fact that these guys have released mastered, soundboard-quality recordings of every single show with the exception of the mini-European Tour last year. We're talking 8 years and hundreds of shows. Give the bitching a break.

Now, if you got a damaged, wierd tracked, or otherwise unplayable or wrong disc, then you've got a bitch. Mistakes happen when humans do things. My experience with 10c suggests that if you get in contact with them, they'll make it right. You'll probably need to send in the "bogus" disc(s).

That's not what I'm hearing here.

-We're crying cause the tracks are named inconsistently digitally and won't line up right in your Ipod? Well, burn the damn disc and rename them however you want.

-Don't like the artwork? (I agree it isn't as cool as 2005 or 2006, but I hated 2003). Make art you like, then. If you want, you can use mine. It isn't the greatest cd art, but I dig it. Here's art for every show-

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U4RIA06O

-Mad because they are CD-Rs? I can't help you there other than to say don't buy any more then. But what real difference does it make other than if they were silvers "they'd be worth something someday", and as CDR's, they probably won't be. No joke, I have EVERY SINGLE circulated Pearl Jam show and could really give a shit less what any of them are worth.

HOW ABOUT - for $16.99 you get to listen to a show that you attended and had your faced rocked off at - over and over again, as many time as you like, until you die. That's a pretty good deal. And if you want, you can even choose shows you DIDN'T attend, just to see what you missed, and you can choose from them all? WOW! I wish every band would do that.

Just goes to show, no matter HOW HARD you try to make some folks happy, they're just gonna bitch. People are pricks.

MegaphoneWhisper

raszputini wrote:

Just goes to show, no matter HOW HARD you try to make some folks happy, they're just gonna bitch. People are pricks.

What he said

Mondo Bizarro

Really why does it matter that they are CD-Rs? I mean, you're getting the exact same quality, with the same flow as a normal cd. If these guys would've covered over the CD-R label with art work many of you (if not all) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Quality? As much as I love 2007's Live at the Gorge box set, the 2005 show could've had better quality. Decent quality with the 2008 boots IMO. For those who aren't satisfied w/ the quality, there are audio-editing programs out there that may help ease the pain. You've got to consider and realize that the process is expensive and you're not going to end up with perfect results.

I do have a question for those who have ordered more than one CD:

How long did shipping take?

mdg164

Mondo Bizarro wrote:

Really why does it matter that they are CD-Rs? I mean, you're getting the exact same quality, with the same flow as a normal cd. If these guys would've covered over the CD-R label with art work many of you (if not all) wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Because they were not selling CD-R's! Based on 2000 and 2003 boots, and the wording of their website, they were selling pressed CDs. WE are upset because we were mis-led! After all this time, the website is STILL misleading! It really has nothing to do with sound quality. Chances are most of us that are upset would have still bought the CD-R's if we knew what we were buying, and assuming they also didn't screw us on shipping.

CD-R's are not silver on the bottom, most of us would have figured it out pretty damn quick. I believe eBay is pretty strict about trying to pass off CD-R's as pressed CD's.

Mondo Bizarro wrote:

I do have a question for those who have ordered more than one CD:

How long did shipping take?

Speaking of Shipping.... WE are also pissed that the shipping sucks. You pay $17 a boot whether you order 1 single boot, 3 together, or 3 at seperate times. Normally there is a discount on shipping to have multiple items shipped together. So any logical person saw $17 included shipping, and assumed they would come 1 show at a time. I am STILL waiting for my order.

If they would ship every show as it was completed, and clearly listed the CD's as CD-R's, I would have still bought them. Hell, I'd have to download and burn to CD-R's anyway, and make some sort of case. The point is, We don't like being mis-led or lied to. We are also free to express our anger.

This isn't a for/against CD-R thread. This is a for/against false advertising! We all fall in to one of these 4 groups:
1) A small portion of you assumed they would be CD-R's based on your history with other bands.
2) A small portion of you read the 1 obscure location that said "burnt".
3) You just don't care that you were mis-led, PJ does no wrong.
4) Pissed that you were mis-led about CD-R's and shipping.

If you fall in to 1 or 2, congrats on being lucky! If you fall in to 3, you won't admit it. If you fall in to 4, you better just shut the hell up, because PJ is the most awesome band in the world!

Jammin909

Arakias wrote:

worst comparisons ever. "Bootlegs" should imply a homemade sense. Everyone quit whining for petes sake. I hope you didnt buy em all...

Most bootlegs bands release (have their fans pay for) are pretty much crystal clear (Bruce Springsteen, NIN, DMB, Coldplay, Billy Joel).

These sound like they have been drug through the mud.

jimbee

wahhhhhhhhhhhh...i need another thing to complain about....wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh