BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

PJ_Soul

joseph33 said:

It all about the hair people. Billy is pissed he lost all his and Ed has a thick beautiful plush of hair. Last time i think Billy had hair was in that ice cream truck video. Make sure you catch Billy promoting the new pumpkins album at a county fair near you.

I guess you haven't seen pics of Eddie taken from above lately? )

callen

tominzinga said:

personally i like the pumpkins new record better than LB.... *flame on*

Love earlier Pumpkins and just took listen to some of the new album and was pleasantly surprised. Kind of taken step back.

cydonia

Musics not a competition, as he said pearl jam are competitors to his one man show. There's musicians and there's ' the man' . All bands whatever genre should be together in making the world a better place, as pearl jam admirably do with their charity work. He's gained a lot of publicity by saying these uneducated things and to me seems childish. When becoming disillusioned with the whole record industry as sometimes I do, with the whole illuminati conspiracy myth , people like billy corgan only reinforce my opinion that they probably do exist!! Joking aside, it's summed up by one word....jealousy..............

JV130312

ckravitz said:

JV130312 said:

.....It's America. He's allowed to have his own opinion.....

Completely true, in America you are protected if you'd like to speak up and sound douchey but along those lines, you are NOT protected from others saying you are douchey. In this thread we are just expressing our American right to call him out instead of keeping quiet and being PC.

On Stern, Billy just express his douchey opinion. Here, sounds like people are more whining (and attacking Billy) than expressing their American right...equally douchey...lol. Billy never "attacked" anyone. Just stating my douchey opinion.

Suziemay

I can't believe this thread is going, so here's my contribution: \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

(I really miss the popcorn smiley)

facepollution

I'm loving this thread - more to the point, I'm kind of flabbergasted that I actually kind of agree with Billy Corgan after many years of thinking he's a bit of a dick. I don't know if it's the fact that I'm impressed with the new Pumpkins record or what, but I get where he's coming from. That's not to say I 100% agree with him - Pearl Jam is still big because of one person, and that is Eddie Vedder - there's a certain magnetism about him, his vocals, his lyrics, that just draws people in. It doesn't matter what he's singing, he just has IT. BIlly Corgan does not have that particular X factor, in my opinion, he has an insane sense of melody, and his guitar skills are massively underappreciated - but he lacks that raw appeal that overrides everything else.

I think Billy Corgan's point is that Pearl Jam are still relying on straight up melodic rock to sell records, after all these years - Billy holds himself to a higher standard, and therefore he holds other bands of that era to the same standard. It's an interesting paradox because in the same breath he wants to be popular, but he doesn't want to repeat himself. It's a noble cause, but a big part of me just wants him to write some big anthemic songs again - he's more than capable.

facepollution

cydonia said:

Musics not a competition, as he said pearl jam are competitors to his one man show. There's musicians and there's ' the man' . All bands whatever genre should be together in making the world a better place, as pearl jam admirably do with their charity work. He's gained a lot of publicity by saying these uneducated things and to me seems childish. When becoming disillusioned with the whole record industry as sometimes I do, with the whole illuminati conspiracy myth , people like billy corgan only reinforce my opinion that they probably do exist!! Joking aside, it's summed up by one word....jealousy..............

He was ASKED his opinion, he wasn't fishing for publicity, it just so happened that Howard Stern asked those questions, and he answered honestly.

I don't think he's jealous, so much as bemused - like he could have easily carried on with the same type of music and remained popular, but he chose to try other things. I'm not defending him in terms of his musical output, which has largely been shit for the last ten years or so......but I guess at least he tried.

I remember an interview after the Pumpkins greatest hits came out, and people thought Billy had lost his ability to write classic Pumpkins-sounding songs, and they included the song Untitled on the record - it was vintage Pumkins, and I get the impression he could always revert back to that kind of sound if he wanted..

rssesq

Howard has an agenda FOR SURE. Have u ever heard his rants on Palestine and Gaza. He is hawkish to an extreme in defense of Israel. In stark contrast to some other guys recent comments at a show in England. The media is waiting for a slip up and baiting works wonders. see helen thomas

CitizenRick said:

RS151862 said:

I don't think Howard has an agenda, he was just setting Billy up to say something that might get some press.

I respectfully disagree. He's always prodding them when he gets a chance. He tried bating Uncle Neil into an Eddie discussion ... but Neil glossed over the comment. He has a "hard on" for Eddie IMO. Can't understand the non-interest.

bootlegger10

What is wrong with you people? This should have been 2 page thread at most.

Last-12-Exit

To think pearl jam hasn't evolved is silly. LB doesn't sound like Binaural or Ten. They are a rock and roll band. Not a punk or pop act. They write good music that 1) satisfies them and 2) doesn't alienate their fan base. So in that respect, Billys opinion is wrong. What more could you ask for?

Secondly, the main issue I had with corgans comments are that he puts himself in the same category with Kurt cobain. That's a joke. Sorry, but the smashing pumpkins had nothing to do with the "grunge" explosion of the early 90's. If they had never written a song, the 90's scene still would have survived. Melon Collie definitely added to the scene, but it wasn't what kept it going.

Third, for those of you that think this is a silly debate or that it should have only lasted 2 pages, nobody is forcing you to read it. You are adding nothing to the debate by saying as such.

TJ25487

bootlegger10 said:

What is wrong with you people? This should have been 2 page thread at most.

Hey!!! Take it easy. We're just killing time till the next tour so we can start back on our song request threads. Shheeeeezzz......

igotid88

facepollution said:

cydonia said:

Musics not a competition, as he said pearl jam are competitors to his one man show. There's musicians and there's ' the man' . All bands whatever genre should be together in making the world a better place, as pearl jam admirably do with their charity work. He's gained a lot of publicity by saying these uneducated things and to me seems childish. When becoming disillusioned with the whole record industry as sometimes I do, with the whole illuminati conspiracy myth , people like billy corgan only reinforce my opinion that they probably do exist!! Joking aside, it's summed up by one word....jealousy..............

He was ASKED his opinion, he wasn't fishing for publicity, it just so happened that Howard Stern asked those questions, and he answered honestly.

I don't think he's jealous, so much as bemused - like he could have easily carried on with the same type of music and remained popular, but he chose to try other things. I'm not defending him in terms of his musical output, which has largely been shit for the last ten years or so......but I guess at least he tried.

I remember an interview after the Pumpkins greatest hits came out, and people thought Billy had lost his ability to write classic Pumpkins-sounding songs, and they included the song Untitled on the record - it was vintage Pumkins, and I get the impression he could always revert back to that kind of sound if he wanted..

Howard asked because there was an article where Billy said he and Kurt were the top 2 guys of the 90s. So naturally it was going to be asked

vaggar99

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

To think pearl jam hasn't evolved is silly. LB doesn't sound like Binaural or Ten. They are a rock and roll band. Not a punk or pop act. They write good music that 1) satisfies them and 2) doesn't alienate their fan base. So in that respect, Billys opinion is wrong. What more could you ask for?

Secondly, the main issue I had with corgans comments are that he puts himself in the same category with Kurt cobain. That's a joke. Sorry, but the smashing pumpkins had nothing to do with the "grunge" explosion of the early 90's. If they had never written a song, the 90's scene still would have survived. Melon Collie definitely added to the scene, but it wasn't what kept it going.

Third, for those of you that think this is a silly debate or that it should have only lasted 2 pages, nobody is forcing you to read it. You are adding nothing to the debate by saying as such.

I don't think Corgan said PJ hasn't evolved, did he? I thought he said that about the Foos.

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

To think pearl jam hasn't evolved is silly. LB doesn't sound like Binaural or Ten. They are a rock and roll band. Not a punk or pop act. They write good music that 1) satisfies them and 2) doesn't alienate their fan base. So in that respect, Billys opinion is wrong. What more could you ask for?

Secondly, the main issue I had with corgans comments are that he puts himself in the same category with Kurt cobain. That's a joke. Sorry, but the smashing pumpkins had nothing to do with the "grunge" explosion of the early 90's. If they had never written a song, the 90's scene still would have survived. Melon Collie definitely added to the scene, but it wasn't what kept it going.

Third, for those of you that think this is a silly debate or that it should have only lasted 2 pages, nobody is forcing you to read it. You are adding nothing to the debate by saying as such.

I don't think Corgan said PJ hasn't evolved, did he? I thought he said that about the Foos.

That was directed more at some here on the forums that are saying they haven't evolved.

The Juggler

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

To think pearl jam hasn't evolved is silly. LB doesn't sound like Binaural or Ten. They are a rock and roll band. Not a punk or pop act. They write good music that 1) satisfies them and 2) doesn't alienate their fan base. So in that respect, Billys opinion is wrong. What more could you ask for?

Secondly, the main issue I had with corgans comments are that he puts himself in the same category with Kurt cobain. That's a joke. Sorry, but the smashing pumpkins had nothing to do with the "grunge" explosion of the early 90's. If they had never written a song, the 90's scene still would have survived. Melon Collie definitely added to the scene, but it wasn't what kept it going.

Third, for those of you that think this is a silly debate or that it should have only lasted 2 pages, nobody is forcing you to read it. You are adding nothing to the debate by saying as such.

I don't think Corgan said PJ hasn't evolved, did he? I thought he said that about the Foos.

That was directed more at some here on the forums that are saying they haven't evolved.

they really haven't much in the last decade or so. still put out pretty good music though.

The Juggler

i'd also like to point out that mr. corgan called pj a "great band" at least a couple times in this interview. kind of weird how no one mentioned that. haha

marjen

Basically everyone in this thread is doing exactly what they are complaining about Billy doing. Who cares if he does not like pj. A lot of people don't. As long as you do thats all that matters. Everyone has different tastes in music.

vaggar99

Alright, I've bashed Billy pretty hard myself in a couple posts. I really did love the pumpkins in my high school and first part of my college years. Siamese and Mellon Collie were right up there with just about anything that PJ had put out at the time.

My gut tells me that music came extremely naturally to Billy and he didn't have to work quite as hard as Eddie did to develop his abilities. This probably lead to him always feeling like other musicians were too slow to keep up with him. While he was probably right, he probably didn't realize that he still needed a consistent and 'good enough' supporting cast to ensure the longevity of his band.

And honestly, I feel like Billy is probably way more talented than any single member of PJ. But we all know that the musical world is littered with uber talented musicians who never even get a song played on the radio. With Eddie and PJ, theres a certain magic that comes from hard work and of course Eddie's incredible singing voice.

I think the OP was a bit unfair in taking Billy's comments out of context. If you actually hear what he has to say afterwards, you might think differently about him. He actually commends both PJ and Foo for their longevity. You almost get a sense of regret that he wasn't able to keep the Pumpkins together like PJ and Foo have.

The Juggler

vaggar99 said:

Alright, I've bashed Billy pretty hard myself in a couple posts. I really did love the pumpkins in my high school and first part of my college years. Siamese and Mellon Collie were right up there with just about anything that PJ had put out at the time.

My gut tells me that music came extremely naturally to Billy and he didn't have to work quite as hard as Eddie did to develop his abilities. This probably lead to him always feeling like other musicians were too slow to keep up with him. While he was probably right, he probably didn't realize that he still needed a consistent and 'good enough' supporting cast to ensure the longevity of his band.

And honestly, I feel like Billy is probably way more talented than any single member of PJ. But we all know that the musical world is littered with uber talented musicians who never even get a song played on the radio. With Eddie and PJ, theres a certain magic that comes from hard work and of course Eddie's incredible singing voice.

I think the OP was a bit unfair in taking Billy's comments out of context. If you actually hear what he has to say afterwards, you might think differently about him. He actually commends both PJ and Foo for their longevity. You almost get a sense of regret that he wasn't able to keep the Pumpkins together like PJ and Foo have.

stop it.....you're being WAAAAY too logical for this thread.


great points all around. well said.