BIlly Corgan talks shit on PJ on Howard Stern show..

NWOntario

Lemme preface this by saying I love Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, Corgan's a dick, but he's written some great music. I'm waiting for my Christmas holiday to sit down with the new record and give it its full due.

But his apparent obsession with "competition" is weird. And it's not just him referring to Pearl Jam or the Foo Fighters as his competition. I think a lot of us here have managed to listen to the Pumpkins AND Pearl Jam AND the Foo Fighters and not felt as though we were slighting the other ones (hell, I saw the Pumpkins and the Foo Fighters on the same bill once and managed to enjoy them both). Remember the Pumpkins' original breakup in 2000? Corgan claimed he was tired of "fighting the good fight against the Britneys of the world." I'm sure that wasn't the real reason the Pumpkins broke up--Corgan's alluded as much himself--but why would that even enter his frame of reference, even if it was just a throwaway line? If Billy Corgan's the genius he says he is whenever he gets the opportunity, he'd have doubled down and proven it to the rest of the world. Instead he picked up his guitar and went home. It was a total and utter betrayal of everything he's suddenly decided he stands for.

Anyway. Billy Corgan's said dumb things before; he'll say dumb things again; he just said a whole bunch of dumb things. I'll keep listening to his music.

The Waiting Trophy Man

What's the bass player up to these days?

justam

I think the gist of the difference between Vedder and Corgan is like the difference between someone who has had a successful long relationship to someone who has had a lot of failed relationships.

Vedder has accomplished one thing. Corgan has experienced the other. Corgan is probably a little confused by why he's had so much trouble while Vedder has instead had so much success with his band!

The Juggler

paulonious said:

The Juggler said:

TJ25487 said:

The Juggler said:

TJ25487 said:

As far as Pearl Jam evolving or being experimental, others have touched on it here in the fact that they have been evolving their whole career. Making different sounding albums one after another. That is why they have lost so many listeners from the early days as most people would rather have them remake Ten over and over again (think Nickelback here). I would have left a long time ago. Are every one of there releases going to be the second coming? No but I sure as hell can put Backspacer on and enjoy the hell out of it and L-Bolt gives me Yield like feelings which I love. Peace!

see that's the thing. i'd love for them to go back to making different sounding albums that may end up alienating and losing more people. that's when they were at their best. problem is, i believe they've tried to do the opposite over the last decade by making more mainstream sounding music to draw in a bigger audience......the results have been mixed. mostly average to good albums (and backspacer) that sound cool live....but ultimately are more inconsistent and less challenging than their best work.

I hear ya Juggler but you may be out of luck. You look at other long running legendary bands such as The Beatles, U2 , The Who, Stones etc. and you will see an album or 2 of experimentation but then it's back to doing what they are most comfortable doing. I guess thats when you keep your ears peeled for the next groundbreaking band to hit?

I don't know man. all the b sides and leaks from the last decade plus tells me they are leaving their best stuff off these records. like someone else said, maybe it's about switching producers or something...

the last two leaks are awesome songs. But put them in context. would they actually fit on Avocado? do we think they are superior just because of some type of hindsight? maybe, maybe not. But the band is no longer fighting putting out the best songs. they are putting out the songs that fit together. as Ed said in the Lost Dogs liner notes about one track that escapes me at the moment, the quote was something like this "suffered from 'one of these is not like the other' syndrome". that's all it boils down to with these guys now. great songs can be left off because they don't fit with the rest.

would Angel have fit on Ten or VS? no, but it's a great song. I also happen to love Happy When I'm Crying. But it doesn't belong on any album, really. Same with Santa Cruz, or Strangest Tribe, or Driftin'.

I think at some point we'll be getting a Stray Cats, but we'll have to wait and see until then.

the whole "it doesn't fit" argument is kind of my point...it doesn't fit these last few records that were geared to more of a main stream sound. the old ed would've taken the time with his hammers and claws (ala what he said in svt) and tried to dig deeper to make those songs work. nowadays they have so much other stuff going on with side projects and stuff. i really hope, for the next album, they find the time to bunker down somewhere and record an album the way they used to......and while they're at it, kick matt out and bring back jack. i really think jack brought out the creative best in these guys.

(only kidding about the matt thing....kind of)

The Waiting Trophy Man

Vedder has had success as a solo artist too. And he's one of the most respected singer/songwriter/musicians out there. And he's friends with everyone. That'd make anyone jealous.

JV130312

In this oversensitive "PC-World," it's actually quite refreshing to see someone express their likes and dislikes without holding back. It's America. He's allowed to have his own opinion and he really didn't say anything that terrible...lol. Relax...

The Juggler

JV130312 said:

In this oversensitive "PC-World," it's actually quite refreshing to see someone express their likes and dislikes without holding back. It's America. He's allowed to have his own opinion and he really didn't say anything that terrible...lol. Relax...

totally agree

PJ_Soul

paulonious said:

The Juggler said:

TJ25487 said:

The Juggler said:

TJ25487 said:

As far as Pearl Jam evolving or being experimental, others have touched on it here in the fact that they have been evolving their whole career. Making different sounding albums one after another. That is why they have lost so many listeners from the early days as most people would rather have them remake Ten over and over again (think Nickelback here). I would have left a long time ago. Are every one of there releases going to be the second coming? No but I sure as hell can put Backspacer on and enjoy the hell out of it and L-Bolt gives me Yield like feelings which I love. Peace!

see that's the thing. i'd love for them to go back to making different sounding albums that may end up alienating and losing more people. that's when they were at their best. problem is, i believe they've tried to do the opposite over the last decade by making more mainstream sounding music to draw in a bigger audience......the results have been mixed. mostly average to good albums (and backspacer) that sound cool live....but ultimately are more inconsistent and less challenging than their best work.

I hear ya Juggler but you may be out of luck. You look at other long running legendary bands such as The Beatles, U2 , The Who, Stones etc. and you will see an album or 2 of experimentation but then it's back to doing what they are most comfortable doing. I guess thats when you keep your ears peeled for the next groundbreaking band to hit?

I don't know man. all the b sides and leaks from the last decade plus tells me they are leaving their best stuff off these records. like someone else said, maybe it's about switching producers or something...

the last two leaks are awesome songs. But put them in context. would they actually fit on Avocado? do we think they are superior just because of some type of hindsight? maybe, maybe not. But the band is no longer fighting putting out the best songs. they are putting out the songs that fit together. as Ed said in the Lost Dogs liner notes about one track that escapes me at the moment, the quote was something like this "suffered from 'one of these is not like the other' syndrome". that's all it boils down to with these guys now. great songs can be left off because they don't fit with the rest.

would Angel have fit on Ten or VS? no, but it's a great song. I also happen to love Happy When I'm Crying. But it doesn't belong on any album, really. Same with Santa Cruz, or Strangest Tribe, or Driftin'.

I think at some point we'll be getting a Stray Cats, but we'll have to wait and see until then.

What songs are we talking about here? Cold Confession and that other one?
I think Avocado is fucking awesome just the way it is. Besides the fact that you're right and they woukdn't have fit on that album, those leaks aren't as good as anything on that album IMO.

tominzinga

personally i like the pumpkins new record better than LB.... *flame on*

GardLivingston89

Nah I heard the pumpkins new song on the radio the other day. Mind Your Manners puts it to shame id say.

facepollution

Peacefrog1975 said:

facepollution said:

Peacefrog1975 said:

CharlieP said:

The guy believes that art is a competition....enough said

Great point Charlie!

That's a cop out argument, we ALL compare music one way or another.

Compare and Compete are two different words…

Semantics, it amounts to the same thing.

ckravitz

JV130312 said:

.....It's America. He's allowed to have his own opinion.....

Completely true, in America you are protected if you'd like to speak up and sound douchey but along those lines, you are NOT protected from others saying you are douchey. In this thread we are just expressing our American right to call him out instead of keeping quiet and being PC.

Wma31394

The Waiting Trophy Man said:

Vedder has had success as a solo artist too. And he's one of the most respected singer/songwriter/musicians out there. And he's friends with everyone. That'd make anyone jealous.

What do you consider success? Only that he made 2 solo albums and toured? I guess Julian casalancas is now a successful solo act now?? I don't think too many of his music peers really think he's a music virtuoso.. And lets face it the uke album is not very good.

Wma31394

tominzinga said:

personally i like the pumpkins new record better than LB.... *flame on*

I will support billy.. But I'm not really liking the new album too much it's just ok..LB is a tad better.

WhatYouTaughtMe

There's already a thread on this...http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/241382/billy-corgan-disses-pearl-jam#latest )

joseph33

It all about the hair people. Billy is pissed he lost all his and Ed has a thick beautiful plush of hair. Last time i think Billy had hair was in that ice cream truck video. Make sure you catch Billy promoting the new pumpkins album at a county fair near you.

dmaradona10

Wait a minute...Randy Marsh is Lorde???? You gotta be fuckin' kidding me...

ikiT

joseph33 said:

It all about the hair people. Billy is pissed he lost all his and Ed has a thick beautiful plush of hair. Last time i think Billy had hair was in that ice cream truck video.

Wait...Billy and Ed aren't friends?

brianwilson

Most of you read way too much into this, or you didn't actually listen to it/all of it.

re pj: he explains his opinions adequately, and says they're opinions and how he's obviously in the minority.

re ev: again, he explains it, and it is from his own personal experience with ev.

But mostly, you're making a mountain out of it. I love pj more than anything, but from corgan makes valid points (that can't be combated with he's "jealous" or a "d-bag").

Last-12-Exit

brianwilson said:

Most of you read way too much into this, or you didn't actually listen to it/all of it.

re pj: he explains his opinions adequately, and says they're opinions and how he's obviously in the minority.

re ev: again, he explains it, and it is from his own personal experience with ev.

But mostly, you're making a mountain out of it. I love pj more than anything, but from corgan makes valid points (that can't be combated with he's "jealous" or a "d-bag").

Yes, I heard every word of what he said. And just because he made his point adequately, doesn't at all mean that he's not delusional. Or just wrong. What part of "they just don't have the songs" doesn't sound like jealousy?