Now back to Israel as usual

badbrains

JC29856 said:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-shifa-hospital-doctor-mads-gilbert-banned-gaza-strip-life-security-reasons-1474823

Unreal, the fucken power this government has. Please, someone tell me again how Israel is innocent of all crimes.

JC29856

http://972mag.com/watch-police-spray-putrid-water-on-palestinian-homes-schools/98840/

i_lov_it

JC29856 said:

http://972mag.com/watch-police-spray-putrid-water-on-palestinian-homes-schools/98840/

It's a bit disgusting which is uncalled for maybe they could borrow the New South Wales water cannon in the future.

JC29856

Interesting....
http://smpalestine.com/2014/11/16/and-on-the-33rd-word-he-was-a-boy/

JC29856

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Police-clarify-No-suspicion-of-foul-play-in-hanging-death-of-Palestinian-382007

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/rss/421673--clashes-in-jerusalem-after-palestinian-driver-found-hanged

JC29856

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/11/17/386387/israel-to-demolish-palestinian-homes/

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268743/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1DOD9YBt

JC29856

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=740675


Revenge?

badbrains

JC29856 said:

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=740675


Revenge?

Can't wait to see Israel's response

rr165892

Keeping things fair on here,it's important to point out the violence perpetrated on both sides.There is in my opinion an excessive amount of vitriol and negativity cast toward the Israelis.A lot of bashing.Dont get me wrong they are not angels and deserve the critique and by no means have no blood on their hands for many horrible actions.
There is not much discussion about the violence and unrest caused from the other side.The murder in the synagogue is just an act of evil against innocents and is no better then bombing kids playing soccer.
I get some of the posters on this board hate and anger toward Israel but that should be directed to the state and not the gen population.Much like Not holding all Muslims responsible for the acts of a few.Its my opinion some of the views do borderline on inappropriate and I think it walks a slippery slope.
All the talk in about 3 threads are all anti Israel.Must be careful where there is smoke many times fire is not far behind.I noticed during the "Israel attacked America"Thread how minor that bit of history was compared to atrocities perpetrated by other allies we have.Does japan,Gemany,Vietnam, also have a much worse record of violence,spying and murder against us then Israel.How about France and it's actions in the past......
Just my 2cents.All war sucks,all violence sucks all countries are guilty of stupid actions.Why are we singling out the Jews???

rr165892

BB,the reason I even jumped in here was in reaction to your response of the story above.We are so quick to skip over the horrific murder without comment and go right to "can't wait to see Israel's response" .Are we becoming desensitized.I in no way think you are a Rascist,so please don't think that.I also know how passionate you are about this subject and I respect that.I was just taking back with the whole gloss over the act thing.

JC29856

rr165892 said:

BB,the reason I even jumped in here was in reaction to your response of the story above.We are so quick to skip over the horrific murder without comment and go right to "can't wait to see Israel's response" .Are we becoming desensitized.I in no way think you are a Rascist,so please don't think that.I was just taking back with the whole gloss over the act thing.

Maybe the comment was made with the understanding that maybe the synagogue attack was in retaliation to the bus driver hanging and now what will be Israel's response?...."harsh"

rr165892

So the discussion mirrors the conflict? Acts of violence against innocent people are ok if they are in retaliation to something else?The cycle has to end.Peace can't be achieved without someone taking the high road.

JC29856

Who said the synagogue attack was ok?
What realistic high road do you suggest an oppressed population take?
What high road would you take say if a group or state killed your children and demolished your home?

rr165892

The answer isn't to murder innocent people.That makes the oppressed just as bad as the oppressor.I am not in any way arguing the merits of either side in this conflict.That is some muddy fucking water and I'm not getting sucked in to that debate again.I get the angst of an oppressed people.If fighting back is called for then fight back against soldiers or governments,Officials,whatever.But individuals attacking innocent people is cold blooded murder and terrorism plain and simple.If you support attacking innocent civilians as a form of revenge/retaliation against those peoples government then you are supporting terror.And that goes both ways.When the state murders innocent people needlessly(yes ,I know this happens a lot over there)It's equally as atrocious.And equally wrong.

JC29856

rr165892 said:

The answer isn't to murder innocent people.That makes the oppressed just as bad as the oppressor.I am not in any way arguing the merits of either side in this conflict.That is some muddy fucking water and I'm not getting sucked in to that debate again.I get the angst of an oppressed people.If fighting back is called for then fight back against soldiers or governments,Officials,whatever.But individuals attacking innocent people is cold blooded murder and terrorism plain and simple.If you support attacking innocent civilians as a form of revenge/retaliation against those peoples government then you are supporting terror.And that goes both ways.When the state murders innocent people needlessly(yes ,I know this happens a lot over there)It's equally as atrocious.And equally wrong.

Agreed but I'm not assuming the people that were killed were innocent. How do you know they weren't involved in the hanging of Yussuf al-Ramuni?

BTW, they do fight back against soldiers.......by throwing rocks at them!

Hypothetically, how would you fight back against me if I pinned you down on your stomach with your hands tied behind your back while choking you from behind?

rr165892

JC29856 said:

rr165892 said:

The answer isn't to murder innocent people.That makes the oppressed just as bad as the oppressor.I am not in any way arguing the merits of either side in this conflict.That is some muddy fucking water and I'm not getting sucked in to that debate again.I get the angst of an oppressed people.If fighting back is called for then fight back against soldiers or governments,Officials,whatever.But individuals attacking innocent people is cold blooded murder and terrorism plain and simple.If you support attacking innocent civilians as a form of revenge/retaliation against those peoples government then you are supporting terror.And that goes both ways.When the state murders innocent people needlessly(yes ,I know this happens a lot over there)It's equally as atrocious.And equally wrong.

Agreed but I'm not assuming the people that were killed were innocent. How do you know they weren't involved in the hanging of Yussuf al-Ramuni?

BTW, they do fight back against soldiers.......by throwing rocks at them!

Hypothetically, how would you fight back against me if I pinned you down on your stomach with your hands tied behind your back while choking you from behind?

Well, I wouldn't go to your neighborhood and kill your kids preschool teacher or gas station attendant because you beat my ass.You did the deed your the revenge target.
I would stalk you like prey,find your weaknesses and exploit them to my advantage.Then make dam sure you knew exactly what happens when you fuck with me.At that point when your released from the trauma center,I'm sure you would think twice about doing it again.Hypothetically of course

rr165892

JC,I'm sorry my friend but there is NO justification for retaliation against innocent folks.

JC29856

rr165892 said:

JC,I'm sorry my friend but there is NO justification for retaliation against innocent folks.

Obviously were not following each other.
1. You're assuming innocence, I'm not
2. My hypothetical draws comparison to Israel vs Palestine (you cant get up your pinned, tied up and choked off!)

Bentleyspop

JC29856 said:

rr165892 said:

JC,I'm sorry my friend but there is NO justification for retaliation against innocent folks.

Obviously were not following each other.
1. You're assuming innocence, I'm not
2. My hypothetical draws comparison to Israel vs Palestine (you cant get up your pinned, tied up and choked off!)

If it had been 3 American and 1 British Imans killed today by Israelis rather than rabbis would you still assume guilt on the part of the Imans?

JC29856

Bentleyspop said:

JC29856 said:

rr165892 said:

JC,I'm sorry my friend but there is NO justification for retaliation against innocent folks.

Obviously were not following each other.
1. You're assuming innocence, I'm not
2. My hypothetical draws comparison to Israel vs Palestine (you cant get up your pinned, tied up and choked off!)

If it had been 3 American and 1 British Imans killed today by Israelis rather than rabbis would you still assume guilt on the part of the Imans?

I'm not understanding...it's my opinion that the synagogue killings were direct retaliation for the killing of yusuf ramouni and mohamed abu khadeir.

Btw, the fbi is investigating the attack because 3 of the 4 were US nationals. I wonder if the fbi ever investigated Israel for killing American nationals like 14 year old Orwah Hammad?