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  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    He would've been a great guest though...he can talk.

    ;)

    No doubt. Imagine what it's like when he and Henry Rollins get together.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • fanch75 wrote:
    That Philly '05 show was one helluva YIELD show. Six songs from YIELD (Leathermand included). Hard to beat that.
    Yeah, it was an amazing show. With Hard to Imagine, Crown of Thorns, a great Alive, Crazy Mary, Free World. Nuts.
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    RockKing wrote:
    No doubt. Imagine what it's like when he and Henry Rollins get together.

    two huge egos with one even bigger neck.
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  • distantsun wrote:
    two huge egos with one even bigger neck.
    haaaa.

    I wonder what Ed and Ian talk about whenever they're in DC.
    I bet Ian asks him about YIELD the whole time.
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    distantsun wrote:
    two huge egos with one even bigger neck.

    I'm not sure ego is the right word here. I mean, I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't call it ego. Well, maybe in Ian's case, but certainly not in Henry's. Henry is incredible self-depricating.....but he also believes that he's right. It's somewhere between ego and stubborness.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    I'm still waiting to debate the negative aspects of YIELD with you...I think there is some basis to my theory.

    PBM

    i am up for this.
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  • distantsun wrote:
    i am up for this.
    Maybe the people that were here last year remember, but I think part of this cuts to the 'escape' idea.

    Is just running away a negative thing? Is that what is happening in YIELD?

    Maybe the "there's still time to escape" line is getting at the fact that the character is still trapped in something, this box of fear brought on by social factors (Faithfull, DTE) and maybe can't escape at all (No Way?).

    Is YIELD possibly getting at the idea, not of hope as we've imagined, but of no hope and the impossibility of change and adaptation on the individual level?
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    Wally made an interesting connection to Vanilla Sky...kind of hokey, but I tend to agree.

    Are we asleep...is the album our wake up call from reality...or do we drift off and ignore the problems in order to create our own utopian reality.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    Maybe the people that were here last year remember, but I think part of this cuts to the 'escape' idea.

    Is just running away a negative thing? Is that what is happening in YIELD?

    Maybe the "there's still time to escape" line is getting at the fact that the character is still trapped in something, this box of fear brought on by social factors (Faithfull, DTE) and maybe can't escape at all (No Way?).

    Is YIELD possibly getting at the idea, not of hope as we've imagined, but of no hope and the impossibility of change and adaptation on the individual level?

    I don't know much about last year in this thread but I think that the idea of escape, throughout yield, is definitely twofold. escape is bad if you're running for the sake of running, al a MFC. I don't think that is the same kind of scape that we see in ATY though. that is an escape in terms of surrender. not a cowardly surrender though. it's more in terms of putting the past to rest. or being comfortable with the challenges of the future.
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  • distantsun wrote:
    I don't know much about last year in this thread but I think that the idea of escape, throughout yield, is definitely twofold. escape is bad if you're running for the sake of running, al a MFC. I don't think that is the same kind of scape that we see in ATY though. that is an escape in terms of surrender. not a cowardly surrender though. it's more in terms of putting the past to rest. or being comfortable with the challenges of the future.
    Right, and that's how I personally see it, but...
    does the "there's still time to escape" allude to the fact that we have not escaped at all?

    As an extension of Faithfull and No Way, maybe we're trapped in this box and we really have given up on trying to make a difference because in 2010, it's all going to fire anyway.

    I guess my question is, does this hopeless reading of YIELD have any merit? Is there anything that hands-down discredits it?
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    I guess my question is, does this hopeless reading of YIELD have any merit? Is there anything that hands-down discredits it?

    I think GTF and PMPM both discredit it quite soundly. I think YIELD points out the negative side of escaping and gives specific examples in several songs, as you've mentioned. I think they're merely saying this is what you are up against. This is what you need to beware of. I think DTE even has more positivity to it than most people realize. It's about hope disguised in turmoil. I've always said, I don't see DTE as an angry song at all, I see it as an urgent song. I don't hear Ed as much angry in that song as I do impatient.

    And maybe that opens a whole different discussion. Does impatience lead to escape or YIELDing? But I think the important thing to remember about YIELD is Push Me, Pull Me. The ultimate song about giving way....letting go of the forces that are holding us back. Learning to accept the path and to take the path. This is why it's the climax of the album for me.

    Finally, I think GTF is such an overwhelmingly positive and uplifting song, that I think it overrides any thought of YIELD as a whole representing any sort of impending doom. YIELD definitely shows us the doom that can exist if we don't make change and/or if we simply run from the challenges and fears that we have. But if we face these fears and challenges head-on, and proactively MAKE change, then we will find the peaceful rest that ATY alludes to. And that's the key difference, to me, between escape and YIELDing....Escape is not proactively MAKING change, but rather running away to a place, whereby the change is brought to you, while YIELDing is you actively making the change and overcoming the negative forces that are in our way.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    no doubt that PMPM is the climax of the album. it is the album's core. ATY is not really an afterthought though; it's a conclusion with a last call to action. or maybe, inaction. depending on the situation.
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  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    RockKing wrote:
    Finally, I think GTF is such an overwhelmingly positive and uplifting song, that I think it overrides any thought of YIELD as a whole representing any sort of impending doom. YIELD definitely shows us the doom that can exist if we don't make change and/or if we simply run from the challenges and fears that we have. But if we face these fears and challenges head-on, and proactively MAKE change, then we will find the peaceful rest that ATY alludes to. And that's the key difference, to me, between escape and YIELDing....Escape is not proactively MAKING change, but rather running away to a place, whereby the change is brought to you, while YIELDing is you actively making the change and overcoming the negative forces that are in our way.

    total fucking bingo.
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  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    distantsun wrote:
    no doubt that PMPM is the climax of the album. it is the album's core. ATY is not really an afterthought though; it's a conclusion with a last call to action. or maybe, inaction. depending on the situation.

    I agree with this. And that vacuum between action and inaction is what allows some people to see the perception that YIELD can be negative. Like any good conclusion, ATY is both thorough enough to include a rehash of escape and ambiguous enough to allow that eventually there could be more to the story.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    "I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

    Acceptance?

    Complacent?

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    "I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

    Acceptance?

    Complacent?

    PBM

    Honestly, I wholeheartedly view it as being postive and accepting. I can see how you might view it as complacent, but to me, that would totally contradict the verses of the song.

    I had a false belief
    I thought I came here to stay
    We're all just visiting
    All just breaking like waves
    The oceans made me, but who came up with love?
    Push me, pull me... push me, or pull me out
    Push me, pull me, or pull me out
    Push me, pull me

    So if there were no angels, would there be no sin?
    You better stop me before I begin
    But let me say...if I behave...can you arrange
    a spacious hole in the ground
    Somewhere nice, make it nice
    Where the land meets high tide
    Push me, pull me, or pull me out
    Push me, pull me
    Push me, pull me, or pull me out

    Like a cloud dropping rain
    I'm discarding all thought
    I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
    I'm like an opening band for the sun
    Push me, pull me
    Push me, pull me...pull me out


    I just can't view those lyrics as being complacent. Maybe it's different for me and maybe it's just because of my experiences in life, but this song speaks to me in such a profound manner, and I view it as the complete and total embodiment of everything that YIELD means to me.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    I can see it as (to borrow from Slobberbone): "Everything You Thought Was Right Was Wrong Today"

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    "I''ve had enough, said enough, felt enough, I'm fine, still in it"

    Acceptance?

    Complacent?

    PBM

    this line really resonates with me. especially lately. I think it's about accepting your place in the world and what you have control over. and conversely, and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.
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  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    distantsun wrote:
    and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.

    I love that you've been focusing on this aspect of it, because I think that's the angle of ATY in particular that we've never REALLY looked at. It clearly goes hand in hand with the rest of the themes we've discussed.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    distantsun wrote:
    this line really resonates with me. especially lately. I think it's about accepting your place in the world and what you have control over. and conversely, and more importantly, what you *don't* have control over.

    Yes.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    RockKing wrote:
    I love that you've been focusing on this aspect of it, because I think that's the angle of ATY in particular that we've never REALLY looked at. It clearly goes hand in hand with the rest of the themes we've discussed.

    really? i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield. it's so hard to really internalize but once you do…i imagine it's liberation at it's best. total escape. in a good way. :)
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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    distantsun wrote:
    i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield.

    So, you're proactively being passive? ;)

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • distantsundistantsun Posts: 265
    So, you're proactively being passive? ;)

    PBM

    actually, exactly.

    it goes against the human condition.

    really hard to do.

    :)
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  • I can see it as (to borrow from Slobberbone): "Everything You Thought Was Right Was Wrong Today"

    PBM
    Another great lyric from Brent Best, this time from the Drams...

    There's good times to be had if you let them/See the beauty being where you are/Appreciate the fireflies, maybe just in case you never see the stars.

    Similar sentiments about letting go and whathaveyou here.
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    distantsun wrote:
    actually, exactly.

    it goes against the human condition.

    really hard to do.

    :)

    So, there's a call to action...but since we're basically unable to do anything, we abstain.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    There's good times to be had if you let them/See the beauty being where you are/Appreciate the fireflies, maybe just in case you never see the stars.

    That is a great lyric...enjoy what you take for granted.

    I experienced this just the other day...

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • I also have this idea about ATY I need to flesh out a bit...but here goes.

    If PMPM is the end-all to the record thematically and I would agree here, especially with the sound, it's a stopping point, it's an end.

    ATY, however comes in like a lullaby, like the song over the credits of a movie -an afterthought.
    Now, it is the perfect way to end a record, just with the sound of it and how it builds to that awesome second riff and the nasty jam, but it just seems to me that it's an anomaly in the linear line of thinking.

    It might not necessarily wrap up PMPM at all.


    Hummus kind of throws a wrench in this, because if ATY is the credits theme, what the hell is Hummus?


    Discuss.
    Teamwork. Rawk. Pwnage. Infinite Possibilities. YIELD. Hells yeah.
  • RockKingRockKing Posts: 431
    distantsun wrote:
    really? i think acknowledging and accepting the lack of influence/control we really have on the grand scheme of things is totally central to yield. it's so hard to really internalize but once you do…i imagine it's liberation at it's best. total escape. in a good way. :)

    No, that's what I'm saying. It's definitely there, but we have never discussed this issue with the terminology that you're using. It almost certainly is central to YIELD, but that doesn't mean it's something we've discussed before, because I don't think we have.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • BlkFlg1BlkFlg1 Posts: 156
    I also have this idea about ATY I need to flesh out a bit...but here goes.

    If PMPM is the end-all to the record thematically and I would agree here, especially with the sound, it's a stopping point, it's an end.

    ATY, however comes in like a lullaby, like the song over the credits of a movie -an afterthought.
    Now, it is the perfect way to end a record, just with the sound of it and how it builds to that awesome second riff and the nasty jam, but it just seems to me that it's an anomaly in the linear line of thinking.

    It might not necessarily wrap up PMPM at all.


    Hummus kind of throws a wrench in this, because if ATY is the credits theme, what the hell is Hummus?


    Discuss.

    you know how in the naked Gun movies they have little jokes in the credits, and then Frank Drebin comes back for a last pop? Its kind of like that.

    Also, I see hummus as a representation of freedom and like Jack says having a good time kind of song. its also very "earthy" sounding, although I can't describe why.

    Id love to have waded in earlier but Ive been busy and so much has passed! So I make my entrance here. I concur that PMPM is the finale- its like, and Im going to get fairly esoteric here so bear with me, when form begins to break up. Lowlight and in hiding is the darkness before dawn so to speak (not in a negative way)and PMPM is the return to the non-dual, the return to unity consciousness and breaking free from the bonds of form. It doesnt sound "clean" because thats not how that sort of thing sounds. Think of it this way from another movie reference- its like when Michael J. Fox's bro and sis start disappearing in Back to the future. That, in essence is what is occurring with the album and ultimately completing the theme of transcendence, introspection and renewal. ATY is death, but not in a negative sense.

    If there is a character hidden behind the songs of YIELD, ATY is playing when he is lying prone on a grassy hill after a long external and internal fight.
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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    BlkFlg wrote:
    ATY is death, but not in a negative sense.

    Transcending the mind, body and soul.

    I like that.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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