Beheaded by ISIS

Byrnzie

Drowned Out said:

hedonist said:

Oh. Well...yes

Thank you for clarifying.

And Drowned - well said, per usual (though I laughed at "even if you're out to lunch")

Why's that funny? Someone's gotta be wrong in every debate.....right?

I don't know if this is a Canadian short, or if it was played in other countries...but this was drilled into my head during saturday morning cartoons as a kid, and I think of it often on AMT....(def don't always take the lesson from it tho)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYg7_yYuXPM
(may have even posted it here before, I know i've wanted to)

This is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

Annafalk

Let's try a little harder let's be a little more diplomatic

JimmyV

“It’s the best play she has. And I would have done the same thing.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/plea-mother-steven-sotloff-was-brilliant-terror-experts-say-n190356

Jason P

linking fox news articles isn't debate if you only link fox news articles or other sites that are in line with fox news.

benjs

Jason P said:

linking fox news articles isn't debate if you only link fox news articles or other sites that are in line with fox news.

I don't think that's true - typically in a debate, one person isn't responsible for playing both sides - that's why there's more than one member in a debate. Or one schizophrenic perhaps. Did you mean Jimmy should be posting more viewpoints per post or overall? Either way, I see nothing wrong with what he did: someone else here will inevitably post contrarian viewpoints, which is good and fair.

Drowned Out

Byrnzie said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrzine making progress.

While definitely a touch antagonistic... the last two posts in this thread were written without fangs bared or claws fully extended.

And the bullshit continues.

Hey moderators!! You have anything to say about this crap? No? And people accuse me of making 'belittling' comments? Seriously, what a joke.

30 sagging Ball sacks, my name's not Byrzine. Secondly, how about you keep your pathetic, patronizing little character analyses to yourself?

Thanks.

Now go crying to the moderators that you feel offended and belittled.

). Aaaahhhh...I love you man.
I really never saw this coming after that post. But in retrospect, I can see why you'd be....offended.
There's been a lot of posts on the train about other users lately, and the way we interact....which in itself is against the guidelines. You've become a target a couple times without even being a part of the conversation. I can see why you'd get tired of it.

Byrnzie said:

Drowned Out said:

hedonist said:

Oh. Well...yes

Thank you for clarifying.

And Drowned - well said, per usual (though I laughed at "even if you're out to lunch")

Why's that funny? Someone's gotta be wrong in every debate.....right?

I don't know if this is a Canadian short, or if it was played in other countries...but this was drilled into my head during saturday morning cartoons as a kid, and I think of it often on AMT....(def don't always take the lesson from it tho)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYg7_yYuXPM
(may have even posted it here before, I know i've wanted to)

This is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMI

holy shit....tried watching that 5 minutes after I opened my eyes but only had time to watch about half. Pretty heavy stuff....makes my children's fable look like a 'banal platitude' (as mr.David Foster Wallace would say) for sure....I'm going to have to try that again when I have more time and i'm a bit more clear headed.

Bentleyspop

Byrnzie said:

Can this messageboard be seen as a microcosm of the U.S? Many books have been written on the dumbing down of Americans and their preference for opinions and fantasies over facts:


Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle Paperback – October 5, 2010
by Chris Hedges: http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Illusion-Literacy-Triumph-Spectacle/dp/1568586132/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409202733&sr=1-4&keywords=chris+hedges

Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free Paperback – May 4, 2010
by Charles P. Pierce: http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926153/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409205236&sr=1-1&keywords=idiot+america+how+stupidity+became+a+virtue+in+the+land+of+the+free

The Age of American Unreason Hardcover – February 12, 2008
by Susan Jacoby: http://www.amazon.com/Age-American-Unreason-Susan-Jacoby/dp/0375423745


Is this why I shouldn't be surprised when people post gibberish that has no relation to reality, and then act offended and 'belittled' when called out on it? Is this why certain people seem to have a strange need to focus on the person commenting rather than on the content of the comments themselves? I realize that this is a rock bands message board, but this particular section is devoted to 'serious' discussions - 'Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new.'

Reasoned debate? Why do so many people here have a problem with reasoned debate? Maybe those books I just listed provide the answer?

Focus on the person instead of what's being said. If you're unable to counter his arguments - often by dint of the fact that you don't know what you're talking about - then claim that there must be something wrong with the person, and indulge in personal attacks. And if someone contradicts your fantasies and opinions with facts, then act offended and 'belittled', and accuse the person of being 'hostile', 'antagonistic', and 'angry'.

Sure seems like a lot of opinions

Where are the links with facts to back up your opinion???

Byrnzie

Bentleyspop said:

Sure seems like a lot of opinions

Where are the links with facts to back up your opinion???

That's very clever. Well done!

=D>

Jason P

More beheading videos and mass executions ...

thewire.com/global/2014/08/isil-releases-video-of-another-beheading-mass-execution-of-syrian-soldiers/379359/

Jason P

First American to suicide blow himself up for jihad in Syria. Ahh, look, he has a kitty cat.



businessinsider.com/an-american-suicde-bomber-describes-his-journey-to-syria-2014-8v

JimmyV

And again...

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle-east/2014/09/02/provides-aid-for-record-million-syria/pVXe2VBmTXPPoIozvpgSVK/story.html?p1=Topopage:Test_B:Main_headline

BEIRUT (AP) — Islamic State extremists released a video posted Tuesday showing the beheading of a second American journalist, Steven Sotloff, and warning President Barack Obama that as long as U.S. airstrikes against the militant group continue, ‘‘our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.’’

The footage — depicting what the U.S. called a sickening act of brutality — was posted two weeks after the release of video showing the killing of James Foley and days after Sotloff’s mother pleaded for his life.

Barak Barfi, a spokesman for the Sotloff family, confirmed the death.

‘‘The family knows of this horrific tragedy and is grieving privately. There will be no public comment from the family during this difficult time,’’ Barfi said.

Sotloff, 31, who freelanced for Time and Foreign Policy magazines, vanished in Syria in August 2013 and was not seen again until he appeared in a video released online last month that showed Foley’s beheading. Dressed in an orange jumpsuit against the backdrop of an arid Syrian landscape, Sotloff was threatened in that video with death unless the U.S. stopped airstrikes on the group in Iraq.

In the video distributed Tuesday and titled ‘‘A Second Message to America,’’ Sotloff appears in a similar jumpsuit before he is beheaded by a fighter with the Islamic State, the extremist group that has claimed wide swathes of territory across Syria and Iraq and declared itself a caliphate.

The organization threatened to kill another hostage, this one they identified as a British citizen.

The SITE Intelligence Group, a U.S. terrorism watchdog, first reported about the video’s existence. Unlike Foley’s beheading, which was widely shared on Twitter accounts affiliated with the Islamic State group, the video purporting to show Sotloff’s killing was not immediately posted online, though several jihadi websites told users to expect it Tuesday.

In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said U.S. intelligence analysis will ‘‘work as quickly as possible’’ to determine if the video of the beheading is authentic.

‘‘If the video is genuine, we are sickened by this brutal act, taking the life of another innocent American citizen,’’ Psaki said. ‘‘Our hearts go out to the Sotloff family and we will provide more information as it becomes available.’’

Psaki said it’s believed that ‘‘a few’’ Americans are believed to still be held by the Islamic State but would not give any specifics.

The fighter who beheads Sotloff in the video called it retribution for Obama’s continued airstrikes against the group in Iraq.

‘‘I'm back, Obama, and I'm back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State ... despite our serious warnings,’’ the fighter said. ‘‘So just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.’’

At the end of the video, he threatened to kill a third captive, a Briton, David Cawthorne Haines. It was not immediately clear who Haines was. Officials with the British Foreign Office declined to immediately comment.

guypjfreak

put them in a field and bomb the bastards

Jason P

A second American has died fighting for ISIS. Before getting a job at ISIS, he cleaned planes and had security clearance at Minneapolis-St Paul International airport.



Abdirahmaan Muhumed left behind nine kids ...

businessinsider.com/american-who-fought-with-isis-worked-at-minneapolis-airport-2014-9

lukin2006

Jason P said:

A second American has died fighting for ISIS. Before getting a job at ISIS, he cleaned planes and had security clearance at Minneapolis-St Paul International airport.



Abdirahmaan Muhumed left behind nine kids ...

businessinsider.com/american-who-fought-with-isis-worked-at-minneapolis-airport-2014-9

9 kids!!! When did he find time to be radicalized.

badbrains

Looks like the other journalist Steve sotloff was a duel citizen of both the US and Israel:

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-reveals-steven-sotloff-israeli-citizen-111600274.html

mickeyrat

^^^^ will be watching how this info is used by certain parties.

benjs

mickeyrat said:

^^^^ will be watching how this info is used by certain parties.

Guess we were thinking the same thing... I'm wondering how long it takes for someone to scream 'anti-Semitism'.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

Jason P said:

A second American has died fighting for ISIS. Before getting a job at ISIS, he cleaned planes and had security clearance at Minneapolis-St Paul International airport.



Abdirahmaan Muhumed left behind nine kids ...

businessinsider.com/american-who-fought-with-isis-worked-at-minneapolis-airport-2014-9

9 kids!!! When did he find time to be radicalized.

That was funny!

rr165892

lukin2006 said:

Jason P said:

A second American has died fighting for ISIS. Before getting a job at ISIS, he cleaned planes and had security clearance at Minneapolis-St Paul International airport.



Abdirahmaan Muhumed left behind nine kids ...

businessinsider.com/american-who-fought-with-isis-worked-at-minneapolis-airport-2014-9

9 kids!!! When did he find time to be radicalized.

Piece of shit got what he deserved.
Sounds like Pres O is finally growing a pair and going to play some hard ball.This should be interesting.

rr165892

badbrains said:

Looks like the other journalist Steve sotloff was a duel citizen of both the US and Israel:

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-reveals-steven-sotloff-israeli-citizen-111600274.html

Israel needs to sit this one out.Better for all involved.imo