Michael Brown Shooting

JC29856

JimmyV said:

When you have local politicians calling for race war and local leaders blaming the tone and timing of a prosecutor's speech for their constituents burning down their own city, something is wrong. I was deeply disturbed by that last night.

can someone start a separate thread about the riots, looting, fires, blaming, police presence, tone and timing, thugs, FOX, CNN or should i start a separate thread like "grand jury testimony...no stuff and nonsense"?

Gern Blansten

The prosecutor was pro police from the beginning....no doubt.

Hearing Wilson's version certainly adds a lot of perspective but I am still hung up on the "charging" that he said Brown did toward him while he was blasting away. That just doesn't jive.

It will be interesting to see how the evidence gets reinterpreted now. I'm guessing there is going to be a motherfucker of a civil suit.

dignin

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

When you have local politicians calling for race war and local leaders blaming the tone and timing of a prosecutor's speech for their constituents burning down their own city, something is wrong. I was deeply disturbed by that last night.

can someone start a separate thread about the riots, looting, fires, blaming, police presence, tone and timing, thugs, FOX, CNN or should i start a separate thread like "grand jury testimony...no stuff and nonsense"?

I see no problem with having this all in the same thread.

JimmyV

I think it is all part of the same story now.

Last-12-Exit

The distain the general public has for police officers is disgusting. The simple fact that Brown would slam the car door closed and say "fuck what you have to say." What did Wilson do? Ask Brown and his friend to use the sidewalk.

Who would want to be a cop when you have ass holes like that crawling around you every day. Well, I'd like to say thank you to all of the people that become police officers. It's a difficult job especially when you have to deal with idiots like this.

JC29856

while trying to kill wilson at the suv with 1 hand, brown stopped momentarily to hand johnson the "loot" $7.49 worth of cigarillos.
He turned to his. . .if hes at my vehicle, he turned to his left
and handed the first subject. He said, Here take these. He was holding a pack
of-several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market
Store, was several packs of cigarillos. He said ?Here hold these?

How many times do you think he struck you when you were sitting inside your
vehicle? Solid blows to my face struck? Or, just made contact with me?
A, both.
Made contact with me, numerous. I mean I?d say excess of ten. His hands were all over me.
Okay.
Um, solid blows, Id say at least two.
Okay. And, that was to where on your face?
My face, my jaw line. Both sides.
10 glancing blows and 2 solid blows to a fair complexion face? where are the marks. i dont have fair skin but my kid puts marks on me several times a week, he is almost 3 and weighs 32 pounds
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/141124225627-01-74870004-horizontal-gallery.jpg

JC29856

JimmyV said:

I think it is all part of the same story now.

yeah but the nonsense poisons the thread, much like dumping all the nonsense on the grand jury.
Carlin... “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

JimmyV

JC29856 said:

JimmyV said:

I think it is all part of the same story now.

yeah but the nonsense poisons the thread, much like dumping all the nonsense on the grand jury.
Carlin... “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

Disagree, but do start a separate thread if you think its needed.

muskydan

Man that was a long night. So here is little nugget for you guys. Evidently the "leaders" of the protesters and media couldn't come up with anything bad to say about Police behvior last night. They did such and outstanding job keeping their cool and most importantly no first responder were killed. They are questioning the National Gaurd and Police for not being More " aggressive"to stop the looting, burning, and basic savage behavior by the rioters. I will say that again, more "aggressive"... That's priceless. Anyhow, the plan all along for the National Gaurd was to protect main communication locations and not engage. The Police's plan was to hold the line and do not engage with Rioters unless innocent citizens were getting assaulted in front of them. So this tactic was used for the simple fact that if police and the National Gaurd were to engage in those Hot spots where the savage behavior was happening there was a 99.9 % chance that one of those knuckleheads would have taken a shot at the Police /Guard... And if that happend there would have been Dozens of Micheal Browns having their last swisher sweet Splif holding a bottle of Henne live on National TV. And as we all know we could not Have that..ain't nobody got time for that...

Well that's all I got for now. Back at following the protesters in my town here in a bit. Be mindful of where you are your family are in the next couple of days guys.

JC29856

so brown fled some 100 feet after being shot twice, stops, turns around, grunts and tries to attack wilson, with one hand in his waistband, who pointing a gun. i doubt brown still believes wilson is too much of a pussy to shoot him at this point(if in fact he actually said that).
the hand in the waistband is odd, who runs to attack someone (pointing a gun at them) with there hand in their pants (excluding pee wee herman)? the hand in pants fits the outline of brown laying dead with 1 arm underneath him. believable?

I exited. I followed him in that direction. After I said on the radio, ?Shots fired.
Send me more cars?, I was yelling at him to stop and get on the ground. He kept
running and then eventually he stopped in this area somewhere. When he
stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a gmnting noise and had the most
intense aggressive face I?ve ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he
then did like the hop. . .you know like people do to start running. And, he started
running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his
shirt and into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground
again. He didn?t; I fired, a, multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots I
paused for a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the
same state. Still charging hands still in his waistband, hadn?t slowed down. I
fired another set of shots. Same thing, still running at me hadn?t slowed down,
hands still in his waistband. He gets about eight to ten feet away, a he?s still
coming at me in the same way. I fired more shots. One of those, however many
of them hit on him in the head and he went down right there. When he went
down his hand was still under his, his right hand was still under his body looked
like it was still in his waistband.

wall232

Gern Blansten said:

The prosecutor was pro police from the beginning....no doubt.

Hearing Wilson's version certainly adds a lot of perspective but I am still hung up on the "charging" that he said Brown did toward him while he was blasting away. That just doesn't jive.

It will be interesting to see how the evidence gets reinterpreted now. I'm guessing there is going to be a motherfucker of a civil suit.

I believe CNN showed a drawing that was shown to the grand jury that shows some of Browns blood 25 feet further away from where his body was. If true, then it kind of proves that Brown did turn and come back towards Wilson.

JimmyV

I don't know what happened in Ferguson that day and I'm not going to pretend to. Maybe Wilson had other options, maybe he didn't. But the lack of wounds to Brown's back and the trail of his blood - which indicates he did turn around head back towards Wilson - disproves much of what we heard about in this case. If I was presented with that hard evidence it would carry more weight than a slew of contradictory and changing eyewitness accounts. It doesn't seem like the grand jury got this wrong based on the evidence they were presented.

Last-12-Exit

JC, it's over. The facts are the facts. Brown was the aggressor the entire time. Why is it hard to believe that he charged at Wilson? Not only is that exactly what Wilson's testimony is, but the physical evidence corroborates his story. That's exactly what happened. Why continue to argue?

rr165892

JC,the facts are not supporting your unbridled support for Browns side of this.Why all the animosity toward the law enforcement?The kid was a criminal and an idiot.Period! He assaulted a cop and lost his life for it.This isn't about color,it's about right vs wrong and upholding the law.There is plenty of injustice and discrimination to go around out here,but this case just isn't about that although many are trying to make it that.
Are there dirty Rascist cops out there?Of course.Is being of color an easy way to get harassed?In some places yes and that is another valid discussion,but this case is not LA and not Selma or Birmingham.

Gern Blansten

JimmyV said:

I don't know what happened in Ferguson that day and I'm not going to pretend to. Maybe Wilson had other options, maybe he didn't. But the lack of wounds to Brown's back and the trail of his blood - which indicates he did turn around head back towards Wilson - disproves much of what we heard about in this case. If I was presented with that hard evidence it would carry more weight than a slew of contradictory and changing eyewitness accounts. It doesn't seem like the grand jury got this wrong based on the evidence they were presented.

I keep hearing this line of thinking and I don't understand it.

The lack of wounds to Brown's back really means nothing....it doesn't mean that the cop wasn't shooting AT him it just means he didn't connect any shots while his back was turned...right?

Heading back toward Wilson wasn't really disputed....three eyewitnesses said that he turned and surrendered after multiple shots were directed at him. To me it is more likely that he was surrendering rather than "charging" someone who had a gun but I wasn't on the jury obviously.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know what happened in Ferguson that day and I'm not going to pretend to. Maybe Wilson had other options, maybe he didn't. But the lack of wounds to Brown's back and the trail of his blood - which indicates he did turn around head back towards Wilson - disproves much of what we heard about in this case. If I was presented with that hard evidence it would carry more weight than a slew of contradictory and changing eyewitness accounts. It doesn't seem like the grand jury got this wrong based on the evidence they were presented.

I keep hearing this line of thinking and I don't understand it.

The lack of wounds to Brown's back really means nothing....it doesn't mean that the cop wasn't shooting AT him it just means he didn't connect any shots while his back was turned...right?

Heading back toward Wilson wasn't really disputed....three eyewitnesses said that he turned and surrendered after multiple shots were directed at him. To me it is more likely that he was surrendering rather than "charging" someone who had a gun but I wasn't on the jury obviously.

Gern,It's just not holding up.Its time to realize the police followed the mandate of their job.Period

muskydan

JC29856 said:

so brown fled some 100 feet after being shot twice, stops, turns around, grunts and tries to attack wilson, with one hand in his waistband, who pointing a gun. i doubt brown still believes wilson is too much of a pussy to shoot him at this point(if in fact he actually said that).
the hand in the waistband is odd, who runs to attack someone (pointing a gun at them) with there hand in their pants (excluding pee wee herman)? the hand in pants fits the outline of brown laying dead with 1 arm underneath him. believable?

I exited. I followed him in that direction. After I said on the radio, ?Shots fired.
Send me more cars?, I was yelling at him to stop and get on the ground. He kept
running and then eventually he stopped in this area somewhere. When he
stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a gmnting noise and had the most
intense aggressive face I?ve ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he
then did like the hop. . .you know like people do to start running. And, he started
running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his
shirt and into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground
again. He didn?t; I fired, a, multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots I
paused for a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the
same state. Still charging hands still in his waistband, hadn?t slowed down. I
fired another set of shots. Same thing, still running at me hadn?t slowed down,
hands still in his waistband. He gets about eight to ten feet away, a he?s still
coming at me in the same way. I fired more shots. One of those, however many
of them hit on him in the head and he went down right there. When he went
down his hand was still under his, his right hand was still under his body looked
like it was still in his waistband.

The kind that wears his pants 4 sizes to big so we can all see their FooBu underwear. Pants up don't Loot !!!!!!

Gern Blansten

wall232 said:

Gern Blansten said:

The prosecutor was pro police from the beginning....no doubt.

Hearing Wilson's version certainly adds a lot of perspective but I am still hung up on the "charging" that he said Brown did toward him while he was blasting away. That just doesn't jive.

It will be interesting to see how the evidence gets reinterpreted now. I'm guessing there is going to be a motherfucker of a civil suit.

I believe CNN showed a drawing that was shown to the grand jury that shows some of Browns blood 25 feet further away from where his body was. If true, then it kind of proves that Brown did turn and come back towards Wilson.

Possibly...but was he "charging" him or stumbling back like "I give up quit shooting?"

I'm really interested to hear about the two construction workers that were eyewitnesses and why their version was discounted.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JimmyV said:

I don't know what happened in Ferguson that day and I'm not going to pretend to. Maybe Wilson had other options, maybe he didn't. But the lack of wounds to Brown's back and the trail of his blood - which indicates he did turn around head back towards Wilson - disproves much of what we heard about in this case. If I was presented with that hard evidence it would carry more weight than a slew of contradictory and changing eyewitness accounts. It doesn't seem like the grand jury got this wrong based on the evidence they were presented.

I keep hearing this line of thinking and I don't understand it.

The lack of wounds to Brown's back really means nothing....it doesn't mean that the cop wasn't shooting AT him it just means he didn't connect any shots while his back was turned...right?

Heading back toward Wilson wasn't really disputed....three eyewitnesses said that he turned and surrendered after multiple shots were directed at him. To me it is more likely that he was surrendering rather than "charging" someone who had a gun but I wasn't on the jury obviously.

Gern,It's just not holding up.Its time to realize the police followed the mandate of their job.Period

That might be true....but my questions are still valid.

Last-12-Exit

The eyewitness accounts were discounted because most of them changed their story. I'm not sure why everybody wants to keep trying to convict Wilson when the facts clearly state otherwise.

And gern, what evidence is there that says Wilson shot at Brown with his back turned?. An unreliable eye witness? I know it's hard to believe that a cop could have followed the letter of the law and still killed someone. Bottom line is if Brown would have simply walked away when told, he'd still be alive.