Idf soldiers told to kill civilians •*graphic

gimmesometruth27

badbrains said:

rr165892 said:

badbrains said:

josevolution said:

JK18472 said:

I would like to see the facts on this. But why are you do surprised? When Hamas terrorist are instructed to kill all Jews it is taken lightly. Barley mentioned even. Is it because the Jews deserve this? I hope not because if that's the rationale the next target will be the western world.

Is it because they are a terrorist organization so that's kinda what there all about, so obviously that's their agenda. Its even spelled out in their charter.

I read that gunshots were fired at soldiers from the school that was hit, and rockets have been fired from there as well.

Did anyone hear about the execution of 20 palastenians because they ran away from a building housing a rocket launcher after the IDF warned them about the ensuing attack. These people were considered traitors for not standing on the roof and becoming a human shield. No huge no jury no trial. Just execution.

Why not address the topic info leaked out that idf were instructed to kill civilians lets address this 1st ok ....

Exactly, let's forget those stories and let's deflect to another topic. Dude, whatever it is that Israel is doing isn't working anymore. The rage in the Palestinians now is greater then it's ever been.

Maybe rod is right, maybe they want to escalate this into everything. Syria is crippled and weak now, Iraq is gone, only ones left are Iran and Hezbollah. And I tell u what, dnt sleep on Hezbollah. They AINT Hamas. And Israel knows it.

Hezbollah getting involved,or a broader call to arms involving any Jihadi factions will not help the Palestinian cause.
1.It will bring the Western Governments into play(More then in a supply arms way).No way they sit back and let a ground swell of violent players grow in numbers.
2.When this happens the palestininian message will get drowned out and pushed aside.The world stage attention will switch to fighting Jihadists not helping Palestinians.Nothingbcould be more detrimental to the voice you suddenly have.

Maybe that's what they want RR. Maybe that's the goal of "this" invasion. Again, don't sleep on Hezbollah. You don't have to go back that far in time to see what they did to Israel. And I can bet you ANYTHING, the Israeli soldiers DONT want Hezbollah involved. Hezbollah ISNT Hamas. But, could this be the ultimate goal? Is this the plan? Start this and keep slaughtering Palestinians until Hezbollah gets involved and then the US will come to save the day for Israel? Is this the end game? This their way of going into Iran? Like a proxy war?

i think you might be on to something here badbrains. i can totally see this scenario playing out.

badbrains

Ok, now I've seen it all. wtf Geraldo Rivera MAKING sense??? Did anybody see this shit on hannity? Wtf, I'm fucken speechless right now. Geraldo? Wtf

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5637081?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

gimmesometruth27

badbrains said:

Ok, now I've seen it all. wtf Geraldo Rivera MAKING sense??? Did anybody see this shit on hannity? Wtf, I'm fucken speechless right now. Geraldo? Wtf

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5637081?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

what did he say?

i usually change the channel when geraldo pops on there. maybe he should be posting more naked selfies or looking in al capone's vaults.

bootlegger10

I we sure all of the leaks and Twitter posters are real? I am not saying they aren't but it just seems like it would be easy to setup a fake Twitter or FAcebook account and make horrible statements.

benjs

bootlegger10 said:

I we sure all of the leaks and Twitter posters are real? I am not saying they aren't but it just seems like it would be easy to setup a fake Twitter or FAcebook account and make horrible statements.

We aren't sure, and this is why I've said this before and I'll say it again - to resort to unverifiable sources for information degrades any argument, especially when there is a litany of verifiable material which places incontrovertible blame. That being said, this thread is entitled "Idf soldiers told to kill civilians", which quite literally entitles everyone here to discuss it.

BinFrog

bootlegger10 said:

I we sure all of the leaks and Twitter posters are real? I am not saying they aren't but it just seems like it would be easy to setup a fake Twitter or FAcebook account and make horrible statements.

The Israeli military is one of the strictest and most tightly run organizations in the world. You think they'd let one of their own soldiers post something like the Twitter screenshot above?

Please.

JimmyV

I question some of the social media stuff we are seeing. I would be quite surprised to learn that none of it had been fabricated, that it was all real.

Doesn't matter though. What I don't question is the death total and the number of children who have been killed. Whether or not the IDF is being told in so many words to kill children, its tactics ARE killing children. In some way, shape or form, through the orders these troops are receiving, they are being told to kill children.

Byrnzie

BinFrog said:

The Israeli military is one of the strictest and most tightly run organizations in the world. You think they'd let one of their own soldiers post something like the Twitter screenshot above?

Please.

So how do you explain breakingthesilence.com then?

Byrnzie

JimmyV said:

I question some of the social media stuff we are seeing. I would be quite surprised to learn that none of it had been fabricated, that it was all real.

Doesn't matter though. What I don't question is the death total and the number of children who have been killed. Whether or not the IDF is being told in so many words to kill children, its tactics ARE killing children. In some way, shape or form, through the orders these troops are receiving, they are being told to kill children.

I've already provided evidence of the IDF following direct orders to target civilians right here in this thread.

badbrains

The UN told Israel 17 times that there are women/children in the school. And Israel response? Thanks for letting us know where our targets are.

lolobugg

badbrains said:

The UN told Israel 17 times that there are women/children in the school. And Israel response? Thanks for letting us know where our targets are.

that is fucking terrible
everytime I see one of these dead innocent kids, my heart is breaking
we should be communicating with our leaders to stop these massacres.
stop sending them munitions, goddamn it

badbrains

lolobugg said:

badbrains said:

The UN told Israel 17 times that there are women/children in the school. And Israel response? Thanks for letting us know where our targets are.

that is fucking terrible
everytime I see one of these dead innocent kids, my heart is breaking
we should be communicating with our leaders to stop these massacres.
stop sending them munitions, goddamn it

Agree 100% and welcome to the discussion.

lolobugg

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

badbrains

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

badbrains

Must be hard to be a parent in this day and age. I dnt know how you guys do it. I applaud everyone one of you who see the kids of gaza in your kids faces. I've read some of the posts from parents on here and they're heartening. I don't have to answer a son or daughter when they ask Why all these kids dying? That shit would make me breakdown right in front of my kids. I couldn't lie to them and they'd see right through me. Someone even mentioned about barely being able to swollow food while having dinner with their kids. That's tough right there. I can't imagine.

lolobugg

thanks again
I have a young daughter and
yeah i can't be silent when innocents are being slaughter
Nazi Germany taught us all that i hope
i will not have that on my hands.
question for ya....
does the Israeli military use conscription?

badbrains said:

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

benjs

lolobugg said:

thanks again
I have a young daughter and
yeah i can't be silent when innocents are being slaughter
Nazi Germany taught us all that i hope
i will not have that on my hands.
question for ya....
does the Israeli military use conscription?

badbrains said:

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

lolobugg,

Yes, they do - three mandatory years for men, two mandatory years for women, and the exemption that I know of is for if you are studying religion, but I think there are a few others.

lolobugg

benjs said:

lolobugg said:

thanks again
I have a young daughter and
yeah i can't be silent when innocents are being slaughter
Nazi Germany taught us all that i hope
i will not have that on my hands.
question for ya....
does the Israeli military use conscription?

badbrains said:

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

lolobugg,

Yes, they do - three mandatory years for men, two mandatory years for women, and the exemption that I know of is for if you are studying religion, but I think there are a few others.

wow,
that explains the extremes we are hearing about:
from soldiers bragging about killing children to the ones that are whistleblowers on the generals.....
conscription doesn't work...we saw that in Vietnam.....
I have a feeling this is gonna be a long bloody fucking mess.
I hope I am wrong for the sake of the sane people in this region.

badbrains

benjs said:

lolobugg said:

thanks again
I have a young daughter and
yeah i can't be silent when innocents are being slaughter
Nazi Germany taught us all that i hope
i will not have that on my hands.
question for ya....
does the Israeli military use conscription?

badbrains said:

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

lolobugg,

Yes, they do - three mandatory years for men, two mandatory years for women, and the exemption that I know of is for if you are studying religion, but I think there are a few others.

I also heard that they're gonna change it Ben to everyone has to serve mandatory except the Arabs I believe.

benjs

lolobugg said:

benjs said:

lolobugg said:

thanks again
I have a young daughter and
yeah i can't be silent when innocents are being slaughter
Nazi Germany taught us all that i hope
i will not have that on my hands.
question for ya....
does the Israeli military use conscription?

badbrains said:

lolobugg said:

well, thanks
I've stayed away because i don't pretend to be educated enough to really add anything
but i def say stop this shit now if they are targeting innocents
my tax dollars should not be paying for this massacre

I look at it like this. You said something because obviously you're moved by what's happening there. And that's fucken awesome. To know that you've gotten to the point where u said something. And I bet it actually felt good to say something. Belive me, seeing these pics everyday and reading how we're resupplying them again, it's hard. To think that it's 2014 and we as a nation/world can allow this to happen and actually help fund it, is heartbreaking. I CANT imagine what it must be like to be a Palestinian in gaza/West Bank Palestine. I just can't. And then u see a post of an idf soldier bragging about massacring 13 kids in 1 fucken day? Really? That statement it's self is beyond sickness, wow.

lolobugg,

Yes, they do - three mandatory years for men, two mandatory years for women, and the exemption that I know of is for if you are studying religion, but I think there are a few others.

wow,
that explains the extremes we are hearing about:
from soldiers bragging about killing children to the ones that are whistleblowers on the generals.....
conscription doesn't work...we saw that in Vietnam.....
I have a feeling this is gonna be a long bloody fucking mess.
I hope I am wrong for the sake of the sane people in this region.

Don't forget, the Vietnam situation was different for a few major reasons:
1 - America wasn't birthed with conscription - Israel was.
2 - Vietnam was a war inherently opposed by Americans: if I recall, polls showed staggering opposition to American presence there. A tragic reality is that Israelis are much more divisive about the Gazan issue - largely in favour of the aggression and oppression.
3 - The visible power of pacifism, and the refusal to have anything but pacifist stances, had never (or has never since) been greater. This says it all: