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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.
    They all wore body cams.  I thought the body cams would eliminate the bad shit, I guess not.
    yeah and I think that is some of the reason why they were all yelling so many commands to him...that is their "out" by saying he wasn't complying, etc.

    I think one of them even made mention of him trying to grab his gun. Covering their tracks...or at least attempting to
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  • OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.
    They all wore body cams.  I thought the body cams would eliminate the bad shit, I guess not.
    yeah and I think that is some of the reason why they were all yelling so many commands to him...that is their "out" by saying he wasn't complying, etc.

    I think one of them even made mention of him trying to grab his gun. Covering their tracks...or at least attempting to
    That eye in the sky video thankfully exists too.  That one cop kicked and teed off on him.  This was the worst cop beating I have ever seen, I would expect this in a prison yard.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.
    They all wore body cams.  I thought the body cams would eliminate the bad shit, I guess not.
    yeah and I think that is some of the reason why they were all yelling so many commands to him...that is their "out" by saying he wasn't complying, etc.

    I think one of them even made mention of him trying to grab his gun. Covering their tracks...or at least attempting to
    that is what they do. there was nobody clearly in control. you are getting beat up and 3 or 4 people are yelling conflicting commands at you you do not know what to do. you are guilty of not complying simply because they say get on the ground while you are already on the ground and tell you to lie still when you reflexively move as a result of being boot stomped.
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  • OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.
    They all wore body cams.  I thought the body cams would eliminate the bad shit, I guess not.
    yeah and I think that is some of the reason why they were all yelling so many commands to him...that is their "out" by saying he wasn't complying, etc.

    I think one of them even made mention of him trying to grab his gun. Covering their tracks...or at least attempting to
    that is what they do. there was nobody clearly in control. you are getting beat up and 3 or 4 people are yelling conflicting commands at you you do not know what to do. you are guilty of not complying simply because they say get on the ground while you are already on the ground and tell you to lie still when you reflexively move as a result of being boot stomped.
    The one thing I got from that video footage is the guy clearly couldn't understand what his stomach was.  I did hear that.  "Get on the ground, get on your stomach".

    I heard a few commands where the guy thought he should try and discuss this with the cops.

    Not saying in any way it is justified.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.
    They all wore body cams.  I thought the body cams would eliminate the bad shit, I guess not.
    yeah and I think that is some of the reason why they were all yelling so many commands to him...that is their "out" by saying he wasn't complying, etc.

    I think one of them even made mention of him trying to grab his gun. Covering their tracks...or at least attempting to
    Nothing can eliminate bad behavior. But it can reduce it. Probably will take time when they see other cops go to jail for the majority of their life. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,321

    OnWis97 said:
    This cannot be reformed. 

    It's a cultural problem...It's about the power and ability to whatever you want to "certain" people. As we learned in Uvalde, it's not even a police role to "protect." They don't want to protect anyone unless it comes in the process of exerting power. It doesn't even matter of some of them are good.  The culture is broken.

    Yeah, I hate to say it, but I agree.  How many times does this have to happen before things change?  Another 2 or 3?  Another 10?  A hundred?  It just keeps happening over and over and politicians continue to say, "We must make changes and blah blah  blah..." but if anything does change it takes decades, if at all.  In the 60's, some of my peers got their brains knocked out for protesting or being black or brown.  Now the get their brains knocked protesting or driving to fast or being black or brown.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,408
    gift article.....


     

    Initial Police Report on Tyre Nichols Arrest Is Contradicted by Videos

    The police report was the latest instance in which video evidence offered a starkly different account of police violence than what officers had reported themselves.

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    A half dozen protesters with signs reading Justice for Tyre and other expressions of support for him
    Protesters gathered outside of the Memphis Police Department’s Ridgeway Station on Sunday to demand the release of the names of all officers involved in Tyre Nichols’s fatal encounter with the police. Credit...Desiree Rios/The New York Times

    By Jessica Jaglois, Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs and Mitch Smith

    Jan. 30, 2023, 5:10 p.m. ET

    MEMPHIS — The videos show a brutal beating in which a group of Memphis police officers repeatedly kicked and punched Tyre Nichols after they yanked him from his car, shouted a series of threats and orders, and then pushed him to the ground while he pleaded for them to stop.

    But in an official account written up by a police officer only hours after the beating, Mr. Nichols, 29, is described as an irate suspect who refused to comply with police officers’ directions and “started to fight” with them, even reaching for one of their guns.

    The videos that were released on Friday do not show Mr. Nichols fighting with officers, let alone reaching for any of their guns.


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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    mickeyrat said:
    gift article.....


     

    Initial Police Report on Tyre Nichols Arrest Is Contradicted by Videos

    The police report was the latest instance in which video evidence offered a starkly different account of police violence than what officers had reported themselves.

    Image
    A half dozen protesters with signs reading Justice for Tyre and other expressions of support for him
    Protesters gathered outside of the Memphis Police Department’s Ridgeway Station on Sunday to demand the release of the names of all officers involved in Tyre Nichols’s fatal encounter with the police. Credit...Desiree Rios/The New York Times

    By Jessica Jaglois, Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs and Mitch Smith

    Jan. 30, 2023, 5:10 p.m. ET

    MEMPHIS — The videos show a brutal beating in which a group of Memphis police officers repeatedly kicked and punched Tyre Nichols after they yanked him from his car, shouted a series of threats and orders, and then pushed him to the ground while he pleaded for them to stop.

    But in an official account written up by a police officer only hours after the beating, Mr. Nichols, 29, is described as an irate suspect who refused to comply with police officers’ directions and “started to fight” with them, even reaching for one of their guns.

    The videos that were released on Friday do not show Mr. Nichols fighting with officers, let alone reaching for any of their guns.


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    Shocker. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,580
    “He’s got a gun”
    ”stop resisting” 

    reminds me of  “it’s heading right for us” from south park 
  • It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,822
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    And it was Hinter Biden under orders from Hillary Clinton who murdered her.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,408
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
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  • It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    Sure you can. We’ve had instances of guys not getting out of the car and shot dead. You have no idea how it might have ended if he didn’t run away.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    He ran because he thought his life was in danger and he was right. 

    100% of the blame for this needs to be placed on the shoulders of the people who are trained for these situations. Don't blame the victim for acting out of instinct. 
  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    He ran because he thought his life was in danger and he was right. 

    100% of the blame for this needs to be placed on the shoulders of the people who are trained for these situations. Don't blame the victim for acting out of instinct. 
    I agree but like I said, it never ends well when you run from the cops.  I can't recall a good ending of when it occurred.
  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,602
    mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    He ran because he thought his life was in danger and he was right. 

    100% of the blame for this needs to be placed on the shoulders of the people who are trained for these situations. Don't blame the victim for acting out of instinct. 
    I agree but like I said, it never ends well when you run from the cops.  I can't recall a good ending of when it occurred.
    Well then cops should probably stop giving innocent people reasons to run from them. 
  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
    “If he only didn’t run from the cops.” WTF are you trying to convey with that statement. I’ll let you explain it to us.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
    “If he only didn’t run from the cops.” WTF are you trying to convey with that statement. I’ll let you explain it to us.
    If I said that then you'd have a point, but I didn't and you're changing what I actually did say.


  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
    “If he only didn’t run from the cops.” WTF are you trying to convey with that statement. I’ll let you explain it to us.
    If I said that then you'd have a point, but I didn't and you're changing what I actually did say.


    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.” How is your statement here in quotes different in meaning in how I expressed it?

    So, again, WTF are you implying or conveying by making such a statement?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
    Well that's just not true. That's the Back The Blue response to any fleeing that results in death.
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    if more than 2 people are beating me, i am running away or going to die trying.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,677
    I read some stuff earlier that suggested one of the cops was out for Nichols because he had been dating the cops ex-wife. Like this whole thing was a vendetta which honestly makes sense.

    Not sure of the validity of that story. We'll see if anything breaks.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    It is kind of interesting how we still hear people say that Nichols "should have just complied" to avoid this beating but those same people probably believe that Ashley Babbit was murdered.
    Justifiably, yes.

    If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.  You can't argue that.
    If the cops didn't drag him out of the car this would have ended a lot differently too.

    right.

    tempo, your last traffic stop, were you dragged out of your car from the jump?
    This isn't about me, it's about the person who ran.

    Before we all go piling on here I am bringing up a point.  I am not justifying anything.  Running away from the cops is never a good idea.  
    Running away from the cops shouldn’t result in being beaten to death. Full stop. Good lord.
    NOBODY is saying it is.  Stop trying to make it sound like that.
    “If he only didn’t run from the cops.” WTF are you trying to convey with that statement. I’ll let you explain it to us.
    If I said that then you'd have a point, but I didn't and you're changing what I actually did say.


    “If he didn't run away this would have ended a lot differently.” How is your statement here in quotes different in meaning in how I expressed it?

    So, again, WTF are you implying or conveying by making such a statement?
    You tell me what I’m implying because you obviously have your mind made up on what it means.

    “If only” puts blame on Tyler, that isn’t what I’m doing,  The cops are to blame.  I guess I need to state that again.


  • I read some stuff earlier that suggested one of the cops was out for Nichols because he had been dating the cops ex-wife. Like this whole thing was a vendetta which honestly makes sense.

    Not sure of the validity of that story. We'll see if anything breaks.
    I didn’t know TMZ was a acceptable source to share “stuff” on here???  But it sure makes sence….Come on man!!! 
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