Police abuse

brianlux

jerparker20 said:

brianlux said:

Thoughts about Camden?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department?sref=ndQeXqOs&fbclid=IwAR3n7v519rY21KPXt7dkGcb27Yv3wRwSGMSQHxu3JkrzWMaYU4T8dxg03uU

I’m still not sure the Camden model is the way to go. Yes, crime has been significantly curb, but is it due to their strategies or the almost tripling of the number of officers and dramatic increase in surveillance? Not sure if that is the answer.

Brian, you’re someone who reads. I highly, highly recommend the book The End of Policing by Alex Vitale. My wife ordered and thought was going to be some hippy-dippy liberal hug fest; wrong. The author lays out very practical arguments for ways to make communities safer, address social-economic problems, and make police less taxed by being expected to be the answer for everything. Both conventional liberal and conservative standbys for police reform get taken to task. A great and insightful read.

To be honest, I don't know the best solution.  In a perfect world, there would be no need for police.  But since it isn't nor ever will be perfect and since it is highly unlikely we will see the end of policing, I'm always hoping for anything that improves the situation.  But who knows- things can change.

Thanks for the book suggestion, Jer.   When I get a chance, I'll see about tracking down a copy.

Smellyman

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

oftenreading

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

Lots of great things.  Look forward to more changes as well.  I do think the open dialogue has been the single best part so far.  Cause the other things are quick, knee-jerk type actions.  But talking to each other can improve a generation.  Next step are law changes in more than just sporadic cities.

I will say, that the single thing on your list that actually bugs me was the DC mayor using paint and basically encouraging vandalism by painting that street simply to troll the president.  It was a petty political move.  But at least more peaceful than the president's own petty political move.

I certainly haven't agreed with everything posted here or that I've heard on the news, radio etc.  But it's all been great to read and listen to.  It also does help to try and stop the 'knee jerk' reactions to things like "Defund the police".  Well, doesn't stop it, but the dialogue continue allows for people to actually understand that it's a really dumb term for what they are trying to say.  A term more to rally those that already support your cause vs bring more people on board.  

Why do you view a city official painting a slogan of support for the community as encouragement of vandalism? Do you view cities painting rainbow crosswalks in support of LGBTQ people as a similar incitement to graffiti and simply to troll conservatives? 

If he did it right in on the street to the white house, after the president had been tweeting crap...yes.  If you don;t think that was in response directly to Trump I don;t know what to tell you.

And I'm not for spray painting the street while people are out spray painting in acts of vandalism during the protests.  Heck in iowa a strength and conditioning coach was accused of racist comments and people then decided to spray paint statues etc.  I get that it's going to happen, I hate a city leader anywhere joining in. just my opinion.  And I really hate the ACAB spray painting.  I find that message to be awful.  But again, my opinion.  Leaders should be leading.

I did not say it was not in direct response to Trump, I said that I don’t see it as being an encouragement  to vandalism. I think that argument is absurd with no basis in fact. I fully support directing the BLM message at Trump. If anyone needs to hear it, it’s him. He won’t, but that’s no excuse to avoid putting it right out there for him. 

I think you are being a little dramatic to say it's "absurd with no basis in fact".  It's a politician spray painting a street to get a message across....while people are spray painting buildings, etc to get their message across.  If you don;t think people should be doing it and it's vandalism, then you shouldn't be ok with a "leader" doing it as well.  

I'm sure that street painting had a major effect on Trump.  He's probably decided to all of a sudden reconsider his actions.  

I don;t think your opinion that there is nothing wrong with it to be "absurd" though.  Just your opinion that other opinions are absurd...now that is absurd.

The message was painted by city officials, artists and volunteers. It has inspired street art in other cities. Not sure why you view it as equivalent to vandalism. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/08/black-lives-matter-art-street/?outputType=amp

And as I said, Trump may well not get the message, but that’s not a reason not to try. 

g under p

oftenreading said:

g under p said:

So what has protesting accomplished? 

Within 10 days of sustained protests:

Minneapolis bans use of choke holds. 👉🏾Charges are upgraded against Officer Chauvin, and his accomplices are arrested and charged.
 👉🏾Dallas adopts a "duty to intervene" rule that requires officers to stop other cops who are engaging in inappropriate use of force. 👉🏾New Jersey’s attorney general said the state will update its use-of-force guidelines for the first time in two decades.
 👉🏾In Maryland, a bipartisan work group of state lawmakers announced a police reform work group.
 👉🏾Los Angeles City Council introduces motion to reduce LAPD’s $1.8 billion operating budget.
 👉🏾MBTA in Boston agrees to stop using public buses to transport police officers to protests.
 👉🏾Police brutality captured on cameras leads to near-immediate suspensions and firings of officers in several cities (i.e., Buffalo, Ft. Lauderdale).
 👉🏾Monuments celebrating confederates are removed in cities in Virginia, Alabama, and other states.
 👉🏾Street in front of the White House is renamed "Black Lives Matter Plaza.” Military forces begin to withdraw from D.C. Then, there's all the other stuff that's hard to measure:
 💓The really difficult public and private conversations that are happening about race and privilege.
 💓The realizations some white people are coming to about racism and the role of policing in this country.
 💓The self-reflection.
 💓The internal battles exploding within organizations over issues that have been simmering or ignored for a long time. Some organizations will end as a result, others will be forever changed or replaced with something stronger and fairer. Globally:
 🌎 Protests against racial inequality sparked by the police killing of George Floyd are taking place all over the world.
 🌎 Rallies and memorials have been held in cities across Europe, as well as in Mexico, Canada, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand. 🌎 As the US contends with its second week of protests, issues of racism, police brutality, and oppression have been brought to light across the globe.
 🌎 People all over the world understand that their own fights for human rights, for equality and fairness, will become so much more difficult to win if we are going to lose America as the place where 'I have a dream' is a real and universal political program," Wolfgang Ischinger, a former German ambassador to the US, told the New Yorker. 🌎 In France, protesters marched holding signs that said "I can't breathe" to signify both the words of Floyd, and the last words of Adama Traoré, a 24-year-old black man who was subdued by police officers and gasped the sentence before he died outside Paris in 2016.

 🌎 Cities across Europe have come together after the death of George Floyd:
 ✊🏽 In Amsterdam, an estimated 10,000 people filled the Dam square on Monday, holding signs and shouting popular chants like "Black lives matter," and "No justice, no peace."
 ✊🏽 In Germany, people gathered in multiple locations throughout Berlin to demand justice for Floyd and fight against police brutality.
 ✊🏾 A mural dedicated to Floyd was also spray-painted on a stretch of wall in Berlin that once divided the German capital during the Cold War.
 ✊🏿 In Ireland, protesters held a peaceful demonstration outside of Belfast City Hall, and others gathered outside of the US embassy in Dublin.
 ✊🏿In Italy, protesters gathered and marched with signs that said "Stop killing black people," "Say his name," and "We will not be silent."
 ✊🏾 In Spain, people gathered to march and hold up signs throughout Barcelona and Madrid.
 ✊🏾 In Athens, Greece, protesters took to the streets to collectively hold up a sign that read "I can't breathe."
 ✊🏾 In Brussels, protesters were seen sitting in a peaceful demonstration in front of an opera house in the center of the city.
 ✊🏾In Denmark, protesters were heard chanting "No justice, no peace!" throughout the streets of Copenhagen, while others gathered outside the US embassy.
 ✊🏾 In Canada, protesters were also grieving for Regis Korchinski-Paquet, a 29-year-old black woman who died on Wednesday after falling from her balcony during a police investigation at her building.
 ✊🏾 And in New Zealand, roughly 2,000 people marched to the US embassy in Auckland, chanting and carrying signs demanding justice.
 💐 Memorials have been built for Floyd around the world, too. In Mexico City, portraits of him were hung outside the US embassy with roses, candles, and signs.
 💐 In Poland, candles and flowers were laid out next to photos of Floyd outside the US consulate.
 💐 And in Syria, two artists created a mural depicting Floyd in the northwestern town of Binnish, "on a wall destroyed by military planes." Before the assassination of George Floyd some of you were able to say whatever the hell you wanted and the world didn't say anything to you... THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT, AN AWAKENING...MANY OF YOU ARE BEING EXPOSED FOR WHO YOU REALLY ARE. #readthatagain Don't wake up tomorrow on the wrong side of this issue. Its not to late to SAY, "maybe I need to look at this from a different perspective. Maybe I don't know what its like to be Black in America... Maybe, just maybe, I have been taught wrong." There is still so much work to be done. It's been a really dark, raw week. This could still end badly. But all we can do is keep doing the work. Keep protesting.
 WE ARE NOT TRYING TO START A RACE WAR; WE ARE PROTESTING TO END IT, PEACEFULLY. How beautiful is that?
 ALL LIVES CANNOT MATTER UNTIL YOU INCLUDE BLACK LIVES. YOU CANNOT SAY 'ALL LIVES MATTER' WHEN YOU DO NOTHING TO STOP SYSTEMIC RACISM & POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU CANNOT SAY 'ALL LIVES MATTER' WHEN BLACK PEOPLE ARE DYING AND ALL YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THE LOOTING. YOU CANNOT SAY 'ALL LIVES MATTER' WHEN YOU ALLOW CHILDREN TO BE CAGED, VETERANS TO GO HOMELESS, AND POOR FAMILIES TO GO HUNGRY & LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. DO ALL LIVES MATTER? YES. BUT RIGHT NOW, ONLY BLACK LIVES ARE BEING TARGETED, JAILED, AND KILLED EN MASSE- SO THAT'S WHO WE'RE FOCUSING ON. 🖤🖤🖤BLACK LIVES MATTER🖤🖤🖤

 IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. 

That's quite a bit in a short period of time, I hope it continues in positive ways. 

Peace

Thank you for posting this. This horrific death caused a spark that has burst into flame across the world. I’m holding out hope that the fire continues to burn and causes lasting change. All of the responses you listed are inspiring. None are petty. All are ways to shed light and demand necessary change. 

I just woke up hearing now NASCAR is banning the Confederate flag from the race track and events going forward. This change is a huge change why because there's only ONE driver of color on the current NASCAR  circuit. I never thought they would make this change but it's done, right on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/10/us/nascar-bans-confederate-flag-spt-trnd/index.html

Peace

RYME

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Smellyman

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

pjl44

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

It's not about the frequency of these incidents, deadly or not. It's about the lack of consequences.

And remember that’s also only the times they were caught and incidents were reported.

Excellent point

RYME

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

Ledbetterman10

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

RYME

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?

RYME

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?

Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!

Ledbetterman10

RYME said:

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?

Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!

No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 

Bentleyspop

This showed up as I was reading the last few posts on this thread....
Death to America
https://youtu.be/xcpS3i6Dutc

Smellyman

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

Antifa

Boo!

RYME

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?

Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!

No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 

No fucking shit, dude?  In heavily run blue states and when the majorities are all tilted heavy blue, red can't do shit dude.
Pole #s dont mean shit 6 months out either.
What did the poles say in June of 2016?

RYME

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

Antifa

Boo!

Yup people like you ain't hard to figure out. 
Comrade Smelly.  

Smellyman

If anybody needs a history lesson.

https://community.pearljam.com/profile/comments/RYME

Bentleyspop

IBTL

RYME

Smellyman said:

If anybody needs a history lesson.

https://community.pearljam.com/profile/comments/RYME

The revisionist history classes you have taken have not served you well comrade Smelly.
You cant fix a fool.

Halifax2TheMax

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

RYME said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

RYME said:

While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
Here are the numbers.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/

LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo

https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow

Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.

And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
No thanks!!

I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 

Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?

Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!

No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 

No fucking shit, dude?  In heavily run blue states and when the majorities are all tilted heavy blue, red can't do shit dude.
Pole #s dont mean shit 6 months out either.
What did the poles say in June of 2016?

Last time I checked the WH and Senate were under repub control as were a majority of State capitols and legislatures. Guess you didn't review the Black Lives Matter thread for the states/cities where police bias is rampant. Both dems and repubs, fancy that? But it seems thus far, dem states and cities are doing more as the result of recent events. But yea, buh, buh, buh.