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    Louisiana officers charged in Black motorist’s deadly arrest
    By JIM MUSTIAN and JAKE BLEIBERG
    34 mins ago

    FARMERVILLE, La. (AP) — Five Louisiana law enforcement officers were charged with state crimes ranging from negligent homicide to malfeasance Thursday in the deadly 2019 arrest of Ronald Greene. They are the first charges to emerge from a death authorities initially blamed on a car crash before long suppressed body-camera video showed white officers beating, stunning and dragging the Black motorist as he wailed, “I’m scared!”

    Greene’s bloody death on a roadside in rural northeast Louisiana got little attention until an Associated Press investigation exposed a cover-up and prompted scrutiny of top Louisiana State Police brass, a sweeping U.S. Justice Department review of the agency and a legislative inquiry now looking at what Gov. John Bel Edwards knew and when he knew it.

    Facing the most serious charges from a state grand jury was Master Trooper Kory York, who was seen on the body-camera footage dragging Greene by his ankle shackles and leaving the heavyset man face down in the dirt for more than nine minutes. York was charged with negligent homicide and 10 counts of malfeasance in office.

    Others, including a Union Parish sheriff’s deputy and three other troopers, were charged with malfeasance and obstruction of justice.

    “We’re all excited for the indictments, but are they actually going to pay for it?” said Greene’s mother, Mona Hardin, who for more than three years has kept the pressure on state and federal investigators and vowed not to bury the cremated remains of her “Ronnie” until she gets justice. “As happy as we are, we want something to stick.”

    Union Parish District Attorney John Belton submitted arrest warrants for all five of the indicted officers.

    Belton had long held off on pursuing state charges at the request of the U.S. Justice Department, which is conducting a separate criminal investigation. But as years passed and federal prosecutors grew increasingly skeptical they could prove the officers acted “willfully” — a key component of the civil rights charges they’ve been considering — they gave Belton the go-ahead this spring to convene a state grand jury.

    That panel has has since last month considered detailed evidence and testimony related to the troopers’ use of force and their decision to leave the handcuffed Greene prone for several minutes before rendering aid. And for the first time in the case, a medical expert deemed Greene’s death a homicide.

    The federal grand jury investigation, which expanded last year to examine whether state police brass obstructed justice to protect the troopers, remains open, and prosecutors have been tight-lipped about when the panel could make a decision on charges.

    Greene’s May 10, 2019, death was shrouded in secrecy from the beginning, when authorities told grieving relatives that the 49-year-old died in a car crash at the end of a high-speed chase near Monroe — an account questioned by both his family and even an emergency room doctor who noted Greene’s battered body. Still, a coroner’s report listed Greene’s cause of death as a motor vehicle accident, a state police crash report omitted any mention of troopers using force and 462 days would pass before state police began an internal probe.

    All the while, the body-camera video remained so secret it was withheld from Greene’s initial autopsy and officials from Edwards on down declined repeated requests to release it, citing ongoing investigations.

    But then last year, the AP obtained and published the footage, which showed what really happened: Troopers swarming Greene’s car, stunning him repeatedly, punching him in the head, dragging him by the shackles and leaving him prone on the ground for more than nine minutes. At times, Greene could be heard pleading for mercy and wailing, “I’m your brother! I’m scared! I’m scared!”

    At one point, a trooper orders Greene to “lay on your f------ belly like I told you to!” — a tactic use-of-force experts criticized as dangerous and likely to have restricted his breathing. A sheriff’s deputy can also be heard taunting, “Yeah, yeah, that s--- hurts, doesn’t it?”

    Fallout brought federal scrutiny not just to the troopers but to whether top brass obstructed justice to protect them.

    Investigators have focused on a meeting in which detectives say that state police commanders pressured them to hold off on arresting a trooper seen on body-camera video striking Greene in the head and later boasting, “I beat the ever-living f--- out of him.” That trooper, Chris Hollingsworth, was widely seen as the most culpable of the half-dozen officers involved, but he died in a high-speed, single-vehicle crash in 2020 just hours after he was informed he would be fired over his role in Greene’s arrest.

    The AP later found that Greene’s arrest was among at least a dozen cases over the past decade in which state police troopers or their bosses ignored or concealed evidence of beatings of mostly Black men, deflected blame and impeded efforts to root out misconduct. Dozens of current and former troopers said the beatings were countenanced by a culture of impunity, nepotism and, in some cases, racism.

    Such reports were cited by the U.S. Justice Department this year in launching a sweeping civil rights investigation into the Louisiana State Police, the first “pattern or practice” probe of a statewide law enforcement agency in more than two decades.

    Scrutiny has also turned to the actions of the Democratic governor, who oversees the state police.

    A legislative panel launched an “all-levels” investigation into the state’s handling of the Greene case this year after AP reported that Edwards had been informed within hours that the troopers arresting Greene engaged in a “violent, lengthy struggle,” yet stayed mostly silent for two years as police continued to press the car crash theory.

    Another AP report found Edwards privately watched a key body-camera video of Greene’s deadly arrest six months before state prosecutors say they knew it even existed, and neither the governor, his staff nor the state police acted urgently to get the footage into the hands of those with the power to bring charges.

    Edwards has repeatedly said he did nothing to influence or hinder the Greene investigation and has described the troopers’ actions as both criminal and racist. But he has yet to testify before the legislative panel, saying he was unable to appear at a hearing last month, instead attending a groundbreaking ceremony for an infrastructure project.

    “The governor has been consistent in his public statements that he intends to cooperate,” a spokesman told the AP. “That has not changed.”


    This story is making the rounds again.  How body cam and a coroners report were completely different accounts of what actually happened is a big red flag that the State Troopers need a serious overhaul.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 27,377

     
    Officer gets nearly 12 years for killing Atatiana Jefferson
    By JAMIE STENGLE
    Yesterday

    A former Texas police officer who fatally shot Atatiana Jefferson through a rear window of her home in 2019 was sentenced Tuesday to nearly 12 years in prison for his manslaughter conviction.

    Aaron Dean, 38, had faced up to 20 years in prison, but jurors also had the option of sentencing him to probation. The same jury that convicted him of manslaughter Thursday also determined the sentence — 11 years, 10 months and 12 days.

    The white Fort Worth officer shot the 28-year-old Black woman while responding to a call about an open front door. His guilty verdict was a rare conviction of an officer for killing someone who was also armed with a gun.

    During the trial, the primary dispute was whether Dean knew Jefferson was armed. Dean testified that he saw her weapon; prosecutors claimed the evidence showed otherwise.

    Dean shot Jefferson on Oct. 12, 2019, after a neighbor called a nonemergency police line to report that the front door to Jefferson’s home was open. She had been playing video games that night with her 8-year-old nephew, Zion Carr, and it emerged at trial that they left the doors open to vent smoke from hamburgers the boy burnt. Zion, now 11, was in the room with his aunt when she was shot and testified during the trial.

    After the sentence was pronounced, one of Jefferson's sisters, Ashley Carr, read a statements in court from herself and another sister, Amber Carr, who is Zion's mother.

    Amber Carr, said Jefferson, who planned to go to medical school, “had big dreams and goals” and that her son "feels he is responsible to fill the whole role of his aunt, and he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.”

    Ashley Carr called her sister "a beautiful ray of sunshine.”

    “She was in her home, which should have been the safest place for her to be, and yet turned out to be the most dangerous,” she said.

    At a news conference held later Tuesday outside of the home where Jefferson was killed, Ashley Carr said the family wanted Dean sentenced to more time, but saw symbolism in the sentence chosen by the jury.

    “Eleven years, that’s the same age as Zion," she said. “Ten months, 12 days, that’s the day that it happened. It’s a message in this. It might not be the message that we wanted and the whole dream, but it’s some of it."

    Attorneys for Dean did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Associated Press following the sentencing.

    The case was unusual for the relative speed with which, amid public outrage, the Fort Worth Police Department released video of the shooting and arrested Dean. He’d completed the police academy the year before and quit the force without speaking to investigators.

    Since then, the case was repeatedly postponed amid lawyerly wrangling, the terminal illness of Dean’s lead attorney and the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Body camera footage showed that Dean and a second officer who responded to the call didn’t identify themselves as police at the house. Dean and Officer Carol Darch testified that they thought the house might have been burglarized and quietly moved into the fenced-off backyard looking for signs of forced entry.

    There, Dean, whose gun was drawn, fired a single shot through the window a split-second after shouting at Jefferson, who was inside, to show her hands.

    Dean testified that he had no choice when he saw Jefferson pointing the barrel of a gun directly at him. But under questioning from prosecutors he acknowledged numerous errors, repeatedly conceding that actions he took before and after the shooting were “more bad police work.”

    Darch’s back was to the window when Dean shot, but she testified that he never mentioned seeing a gun before he pulled the trigger and didn’t say anything about the weapon as they rushed in to search the house.

    Dean acknowledged on the witness stand that he said something about the gun only after seeing it on the floor inside the house and that he never gave Jefferson first aid.

    Zion testified that Jefferson took out her gun believing there was an intruder in the backyard, but he offered contradictory accounts of whether she pointed the pistol out the window. On the trial’s opening day, he testified that Jefferson always had the gun pointed down, but in an interview that was recorded soon after the shooting and played in court, Zion said she had pointed the weapon at the window.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,674
    It must have been the vaccine.

    BLM co-founder’s cousin dies after police repeatedly use Taser, video shows

    A cousin of Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors died hours after Los Angeles police repeatedly used a Taser on him and restrained him in the middle of the street following a traffic accident, according to body-camera footage released by authorities Wednesday.

    The death of Keenan Anderson, a 31-year-old high school teacher and father visiting from Washington, D.C., is among a recent series of separate encounters that ended with men dying after their exchanges with Los Angeles officers. The fatal incidents have rocked the city in recent days, and the community is calling for justice after the police encounters involving Anderson, as well as 45-year-old Takar Smith and 35-year-old Oscar Sanchez, both of whom were fatally shot by officers in the first few days of January.

    Video of the Jan. 3 incident in Venice, Calif., shows Anderson being detained by multiple officers as he begs for his life shortly after a traffic collision. Body-cam footage shows an officer appearing to have his elbow on Anderson’s neck as he is detained in the middle of the road.

    They’re trying to George Floyd me!” he exclaimed, according to the video, referring to the Minneapolis man who was murdered by then-police officer Derek Chauvin in May 2020. “They’re trying to George Floyd me!”

    Then an officer is shown using his Taser on Anderson two times, including one stretch that lasted about 30 seconds uninterrupted.

    After Anderson was eventually handcuffed and taken into custody, he was transferred by ambulance to a hospital in Santa Monica. It was there that he was pronounced dead after suffering cardiac arrest, according to a police news release.

    Neither a spokesperson with the LAPD nor Carl Douglas, an attorney representing Anderson’s family, immediately responded to requests for comment Thursday. Cullors told The Washington Post on Thursday that she’s joining community residents and activists in calling for the resignation of Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore and for the officers to be held accountable for their actions. She specifically noted how devastating it was to hear her cousin refer to Floyd’s name before his own death.

    “He yelled out, ‘They’re trying to George Floyd me!’ and they did just that,” she said. “And that’s really hard to digest.”

    The Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office is still investigating Anderson’s death and has not yet ruled on its cause and manner.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/12/keenan-anderson-police-taser-death-los-angeles/

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 33,509
    It must have been the vaccine.

    BLM co-founder’s cousin dies after police repeatedly use Taser, video shows

    A cousin of Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors died hours after Los Angeles police repeatedly used a Taser on him and restrained him in the middle of the street following a traffic accident, according to body-camera footage released by authorities Wednesday.

    The death of Keenan Anderson, a 31-year-old high school teacher and father visiting from Washington, D.C., is among a recent series of separate encounters that ended with men dying after their exchanges with Los Angeles officers. The fatal incidents have rocked the city in recent days, and the community is calling for justice after the police encounters involving Anderson, as well as 45-year-old Takar Smith and 35-year-old Oscar Sanchez, both of whom were fatally shot by officers in the first few days of January.

    Video of the Jan. 3 incident in Venice, Calif., shows Anderson being detained by multiple officers as he begs for his life shortly after a traffic collision. Body-cam footage shows an officer appearing to have his elbow on Anderson’s neck as he is detained in the middle of the road.

    They’re trying to George Floyd me!” he exclaimed, according to the video, referring to the Minneapolis man who was murdered by then-police officer Derek Chauvin in May 2020. “They’re trying to George Floyd me!”

    Then an officer is shown using his Taser on Anderson two times, including one stretch that lasted about 30 seconds uninterrupted.

    After Anderson was eventually handcuffed and taken into custody, he was transferred by ambulance to a hospital in Santa Monica. It was there that he was pronounced dead after suffering cardiac arrest, according to a police news release.

    Neither a spokesperson with the LAPD nor Carl Douglas, an attorney representing Anderson’s family, immediately responded to requests for comment Thursday. Cullors told The Washington Post on Thursday that she’s joining community residents and activists in calling for the resignation of Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore and for the officers to be held accountable for their actions. She specifically noted how devastating it was to hear her cousin refer to Floyd’s name before his own death.

    “He yelled out, ‘They’re trying to George Floyd me!’ and they did just that,” she said. “And that’s really hard to digest.”

    The Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office is still investigating Anderson’s death and has not yet ruled on its cause and manner.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/12/keenan-anderson-police-taser-death-los-angeles/

    and apparently he was the one who flagged down the cops for assistance. and they ended up killing him. unfuckingreal. 
    I'm through with screaming...

    Darwinspeed, folks...I'm out


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 27,377

     
    Officer who hit woman in McDonald's dispute placed on leave
    1 hour ago

    DAYTON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio police officer has been put on administrative leave after video showed him punching a Black woman several times as she was taken into custody following a dispute at a McDonald’s over extra cheese on a Big Mac.

    The incident, captured on video by a bystander, occurred shortly after 4 p.m. Monday at the restaurant in Butler Township, Ohio. It began after Laticka Hancock, 31, of Dayton, bought a Big Mac and returned to the restaurant a short time later because it did not have the extra cheese she paid for.

    Hancock said a restaurant worker asked another employee to remake her burger, but that person later asked Hancock to pay more for the extra cheese. Hancock said she had already paid for it and asked for a refund, which she says she eventually received.

    Hancock said she was then told police had been called and was asked to leave the restaurant. Two Butler officers — Sgt. Todd Stanley and Tim Zellers — responded there around 4:20 p.m. and approached Hancock, who spoke with them about what had occurred.

    When the officers asked Hancock for her driver’s license, authorities say Hancock told them she didn’t have one and refused to provide her identification. The exchange soon became heated, and one of the officers decided to place Hancock under arrest.

    The officers said Hancock resisted arrest, and Stanley eventually hit Hancock on the right side of the face with an “open palm strike.” Hancock was then placed in handcuffs, put into a police cruiser and charged with resisting arrest and three other minor counts. Authorities said Hancock was bleeding from her mouth and was treated by an EMT who determined the wound was superficial.

    Stanley has served on the Butler force for more than 22 years, while Zellers has served for about 2 1/2 years. Butler Police Chief John Porter said Stanley has no formal reprimands in his personnel file and was placed on leave as a result of repeated correspondence from concerned residents, including “a lot of hate emails and phone calls."

    Zellers has not been placed on leave, Porter said.

    Hancock and her attorney, Michael Wright, held a news conference Wednesday to discuss the incident. Hancock said that she felt like she could have lost her life over a sandwich and felt lucky that she was able to now tell her side of the story.

    An Ohio police officer has been put on administrative leave after punching a woman as she was arrested following a dispute at a fast food restaurant. (Jan. 20)

    “I don’t want people to feel like I’m complaining for a piece of cheese,” she said.

    Wright said the responding officers “were looking for a fight, rather than to deescalate.”

    He called for Stanley to be fired and charged with assault. He also criticized the restaurant for calling police over the dispute.

    “If they can’t manage basic customer service, opting to potentially put a person’s life in jeopardy over a mishandled Big Mac, it doesn’t seem safe for Black people to go and eat at McDonald’s anymore," Wright said.

    Wright said no decision has been made yet on whether a lawsuit will be filed, noting that his firm was waiting for additional videos inside McDonald’s and more information from police.

    McDonald's did not immediately respond to an emailed request for comment Thursday evening.


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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681
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    It must have been the vaccine.

    BLM co-founder’s cousin dies after police repeatedly use Taser, video shows

    A cousin of Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors died hours after Los Angeles police repeatedly used a Taser on him and restrained him in the middle of the street following a traffic accident, according to body-camera footage released by authorities Wednesday.

    The death of Keenan Anderson, a 31-year-old high school teacher and father visiting from Washington, D.C., is among a recent series of separate encounters that ended with men dying after their exchanges with Los Angeles officers. The fatal incidents have rocked the city in recent days, and the community is calling for justice after the police encounters involving Anderson, as well as 45-year-old Takar Smith and 35-year-old Oscar Sanchez, both of whom were fatally shot by officers in the first few days of January.

    Video of the Jan. 3 incident in Venice, Calif., shows Anderson being detained by multiple officers as he begs for his life shortly after a traffic collision. Body-cam footage shows an officer appearing to have his elbow on Anderson’s neck as he is detained in the middle of the road.

    They’re trying to George Floyd me!” he exclaimed, according to the video, referring to the Minneapolis man who was murdered by then-police officer Derek Chauvin in May 2020. “They’re trying to George Floyd me!”

    Then an officer is shown using his Taser on Anderson two times, including one stretch that lasted about 30 seconds uninterrupted.

    After Anderson was eventually handcuffed and taken into custody, he was transferred by ambulance to a hospital in Santa Monica. It was there that he was pronounced dead after suffering cardiac arrest, according to a police news release.

    Neither a spokesperson with the LAPD nor Carl Douglas, an attorney representing Anderson’s family, immediately responded to requests for comment Thursday. Cullors told The Washington Post on Thursday that she’s joining community residents and activists in calling for the resignation of Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore and for the officers to be held accountable for their actions. She specifically noted how devastating it was to hear her cousin refer to Floyd’s name before his own death.

    “He yelled out, ‘They’re trying to George Floyd me!’ and they did just that,” she said. “And that’s really hard to digest.”

    The Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office is still investigating Anderson’s death and has not yet ruled on its cause and manner.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/12/keenan-anderson-police-taser-death-los-angeles/

    and apparently he was the one who flagged down the cops for assistance. and they ended up killing him. unfuckingreal. 
    I used to live about 2 blocks away from that intersection
    Did you watch the video? Dude was definitely acting weird and probably on something,  running through traffic and all. Saying people are trying to murder him and planting stuff in his car.A car he said he lost the keys to, so don’t know if it was actually his or not.  Being the one who called or not, they should have detained him. 
    But still, after George Floyd, why they’d pin someone down by the neck is beyond me. I didn’t actually see that, I’m just assuming the article is accurate. 

    I only watched the first 10 minutes of the video, so maybe it shows the neck pin later. But what it did show, the dude was clearly trying to flee the scene. Witnesses pointed him out as one of the drivers of an accident. Was acting all paranoid and skitso. Refused multiple requests to sit still. Took off running through traffic on a major street. 
    The only thing this story comes down to from what I can tell is if and how that neck pin happened. Maybe the rest of the video shows it.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,302
    All 5 Memphis cops are being tried for Murder of Tyree Nichols.
  • HobbesHobbes Pacific NorthwestPosts: 6,142
    "Blue Lives Matter" crowd pretty silent now that five Black cops were arrested.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796
    Hobbes said:
    "Blue Lives Matter" crowd pretty silent now that five Black cops were arrested.
    My favorite Blue Lives Matter moment of silence was after the Capitol Police officer was beaten w/ an American Flag on 1/6.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,674
    Hobbes said:
    "Blue Lives Matter" crowd pretty silent now that five Black cops were arrested.
    Hey, but race doesn’t matter, eh?
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681
    Hobbes said:
    "Blue Lives Matter" crowd pretty silent now that five Black cops were arrested.
    What are you hoping for? People defending these cops for beating a guy to death? I speak up when I think the criticism isn't warranted. In this case it appears it is. I didn't even know they were black cops until I saw the mug shot this morning. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 15,267
    I actually heard someone comment that the only reason the cops were arrested so quickly was because they were black....let that sink in
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. Its a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,356
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
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    Aren't the "blue lives matter" people the BLM' that the QtRUmplicans are always throwing tantrums about?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 15,267
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. Its a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    It was a direct response to Black Lives Matter. 

    That's 1000% what it meant. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681
    edited January 27
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 15,267
    edited January 27
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796
    edited January 27
    Funny that "Blue Lives Matter" wasn't a slogan back in the day when Ice T wrote cop killer, or when NWA wrote Fuck Tha Police. 

    It only became mainstream as a response to BLM, and it went right out the window on 1/6/21. 

    Weird, huh? 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,302
    I actually heard someone comment that the only reason the cops were arrested so quickly was because they were black....let that sink in
    I thought the body cams were suppressed for a while?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 7,681
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
    Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

    I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 15,267
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
    It's worse now because anyone and their fucking little sister can buy a gun
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 15,267
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
    Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

    I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 
    He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,796
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
    Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

    I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 
    He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.
    The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

    The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

    The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 35,302
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    mace1229 said:

    "Blue lives matter" was always just code for "No, black lives don't matter". 
    A lot of people take it that way. I never have. I always took that phrase in response to the cops that get ambushed and killed as part of "protests," then ignored by the media and officials. It’s a way of saying don't support one group by killing others. 
    If it was ever meant to be that, why didn’t people say it before “blacks lives matter” became a battle cry?
    Because it wasn't as acceptable to kill police 10 years ago. When I hear Bluer Lives Matter I think of a scenario like those 2 LAPD cops from about 3 or 4 years ago. They were sitting in their patrol car, ambushed from behind and shot in the head. 
    One was a rookie make, mid 20s or something, the other was a new mom, in her early 30s. The make was shot in the head and unresponsive. The female was shot in the face and through the jaw. She made radio calls for help but was unintelligible.
    There was video of bystanders who, after the shooter ran off, stood and mocked the police, made fun of the mom for not having a jaw on her face anymore while also trying to render aide to her partner with a head shot and yelled at them to just die. Then protesters showed up at the hospital and attempted to block the ambulance carrying the 2 cops. As far as I know these cops had not been involved in any questionable behavior and had no complaints, they were just cops in the wrong city and the community supported their attempted murder. 
    Thats what I think of when I hear that. Not black lives don't matter.
    It's still not acceptable. Don't fall for that bullshit.

    The police sign up for that job so yeah they are going to encounter some nasty stuff. And now that our gun laws are shit and assault weapons have little or no restriction it gets worse.
    Groups cheering the shooting of 2 cops, protestors blocking the ambulance, that meets the definition of acceptable and encouraged by the community to me. No cop ever signed up to get ambushed in the back of the head and denied medical treatment, don't fall for that bullshit. 
    So 50 years ago you don't think there were "groups" that cheered the killing of police officers or even targeted them? That's a broad definition for "acceptable" by the way. 

    There were groups that cheered the killing of Kennedy...MLK, etc. NOT acceptable.
    I'm sure there always have been.
    But the anti-police crowd seems stronger now than even just 10 years ago. I dont think someone who signed up to be a cop 10 or 12 years ago projected what the job would be like today. I dont like the "well they signed up for it" argument in response to police killings. Doesn't make sense to me. No one signed up for that.Sure, maybe they'd thought they'd be cussed out, but never shot in the back of the head while writing a report. 
    Maybe its just because of the internet and we see the videos now, but it seems worse than 10 years ago. I wouldn't have pictured what I saw happening before. If you havent seen those videos, I think its worth watching. 2 innocent people got shot and the witnesses just laugh and mock them trying to bandage themselves and call for help.
    And back to my first point. When I hear blue lives matter its not about being anti black, its protesting killings like that.
    Where has it been said "well they signed up for it" in response to police killings? 

    I don't know a single person here or in real life who encourages or approves of police killings. 
    He's referring to my comment but I just meant that if you are going to be a cop you know that your life will be on the line all the time. It's unfortunate that some of them become targets because of the actions of others. But that is likely why cops assault seemingly innocent people as well...because of the actions of others they automatically assume you deserve a beatdown.
    The executions of those cops was horrifying. 

    The response of the people who blocked the ambulances etc was equally horrifying. Our society's deeply fucked, no argument there... but to suggest "the community" encourages or finds acceptable the murder of police based on those incidents is nonsense. It's a sweeping generalization, and no different or any less wrong than saying all cops are murderous racists.

    The state I've lived in my entire life is as blue as it gets, and literally no one I know or have ever known finds the killing of police officers acceptable. 
    Any of them inner city or impoverish people?

    You get quite a different view from people living in different areas.

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