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Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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Question...... If a Policeman responds to a woman's question of "what is gong to happen at curfew?" is "We're gonna beat the fuck out of you" --- Is that Police Officer a hero?PJNB said:
It is so crazy to me. Everyone should support cops. They have an incredibly tough job in some areas but they also signed up for it. They are heroes just like people that go into the military are. I was close to choosing one of these two paths as a career when I was younger. Looking back I am glad I did not but respect those that did.brianlux said:PJNB said:I have asked what I consider good local police officers that are friends and family members of mine the same question as to what I am going to ask here and have never really gotten a good response. If there are only a few bad apples in the police force why are the good ones allowing the bad ones to tarnish their name and drag them in the mud too? Why are they not policing each other and calling the bad cops out more often? In my field of work if someone is not doing their job safely or putting someones else's life on the line that shit is called out immediately and the problem is fixed one way or another whether through retraining or suspension/being fired. Why are cops not able to control their own? It honestly baffles me.Excellent question, PJNB.How many bad apples depends a lot on which police department you look at. Not all law enforcement agencies hire under the same guidelines and not all place attract the same level of competency. So in a town like mine, there isn't the same scenario where cops might need to reprimand the bad apples because they seem to be pretty decent cops for the most part. In Minneapolis, not so. None of the other cops did a thing to stop Chauvin from killing George Floyd. All bad apples in that bunch.
Where I live I do not see this stuff everyday. Violence on cops is almost non existent here as is police brutality for the most part. Maybe that is why I just do not get it. A police officer got caught calling someone an asshole in their vehicle outside of a Tim Hortons and ticketed them for hanging out in the parking lot during Covid isolation. That was big news here. I do not live in this madness everyday as some civilians and police do and maybe pretending like I have an answer is me being tone deaf to the whole thing. It does not take much research however to see that there is a huge problem with police from the top down in a lot of areas that needs some kind of reform. I am willing to bet there are a lot of cops that would support some kind of change. I would guess that they are the silent majority but fear to speak out due to career suicide or worse. You gotta have my back because some day you are going to need me to have yours mentality needs to be snuffed out and the bad apples however many there are needs to be dealt with as swiftly as any civilians crime would be. Just my two cents of babbling.
https://youtu.be/sSMs14zdPbI?t=335
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If I kept getting bad apples, then I might start to think the entire orchid has a problem.brianlux said:PJNB said:I have asked what I consider good local police officers that are friends and family members of mine the same question as to what I am going to ask here and have never really gotten a good response. If there are only a few bad apples in the police force why are the good ones allowing the bad ones to tarnish their name and drag them in the mud too? Why are they not policing each other and calling the bad cops out more often? In my field of work if someone is not doing their job safely or putting someones else's life on the line that shit is called out immediately and the problem is fixed one way or another whether through retraining or suspension/being fired. Why are cops not able to control their own? It honestly baffles me.Excellent question, PJNB.How many bad apples depends a lot on which police department you look at. Not all law enforcement agencies hire under the same guidelines and not all place attract the same level of competency. So in a town like mine, there isn't the same scenario where cops might need to reprimand the bad apples because they seem to be pretty decent cops for the most part. In Minneapolis, not so. None of the other cops did a thing to stop Chauvin from killing George Floyd. All bad apples in that bunch."The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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I have seen a lot of these video's. I have seen the vids of the police radios being stolen and heard to kill them all, run them over etc. There is a lot of evidence out there in the last couple of days that should be very alarming to every person out there. I would not call that police officer a hero and I would not call the cops that laugh or cheer this on hero's as well.myoung321 said:
Question...... If a Policeman responds to a woman's question of "what is gong to happen at curfew?" is "We're gonna beat the fuck out of you" --- Is that Police Officer a hero?PJNB said:
It is so crazy to me. Everyone should support cops. They have an incredibly tough job in some areas but they also signed up for it. They are heroes just like people that go into the military are. I was close to choosing one of these two paths as a career when I was younger. Looking back I am glad I did not but respect those that did.brianlux said:PJNB said:I have asked what I consider good local police officers that are friends and family members of mine the same question as to what I am going to ask here and have never really gotten a good response. If there are only a few bad apples in the police force why are the good ones allowing the bad ones to tarnish their name and drag them in the mud too? Why are they not policing each other and calling the bad cops out more often? In my field of work if someone is not doing their job safely or putting someones else's life on the line that shit is called out immediately and the problem is fixed one way or another whether through retraining or suspension/being fired. Why are cops not able to control their own? It honestly baffles me.Excellent question, PJNB.How many bad apples depends a lot on which police department you look at. Not all law enforcement agencies hire under the same guidelines and not all place attract the same level of competency. So in a town like mine, there isn't the same scenario where cops might need to reprimand the bad apples because they seem to be pretty decent cops for the most part. In Minneapolis, not so. None of the other cops did a thing to stop Chauvin from killing George Floyd. All bad apples in that bunch.
Where I live I do not see this stuff everyday. Violence on cops is almost non existent here as is police brutality for the most part. Maybe that is why I just do not get it. A police officer got caught calling someone an asshole in their vehicle outside of a Tim Hortons and ticketed them for hanging out in the parking lot during Covid isolation. That was big news here. I do not live in this madness everyday as some civilians and police do and maybe pretending like I have an answer is me being tone deaf to the whole thing. It does not take much research however to see that there is a huge problem with police from the top down in a lot of areas that needs some kind of reform. I am willing to bet there are a lot of cops that would support some kind of change. I would guess that they are the silent majority but fear to speak out due to career suicide or worse. You gotta have my back because some day you are going to need me to have yours mentality needs to be snuffed out and the bad apples however many there are needs to be dealt with as swiftly as any civilians crime would be. Just my two cents of babbling.https://youtu.be/sSMs14zdPbI?t=340
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How the F?? Can local police and sheriff departments buy these WAR vehicles, yet our teachers have to strike to get tiny pay raises?
Below vehicle costs $500,000 each.... floor mats extra !!!!
Our priorities need to change!!!!!!
you only need this in a war zone.... is the plan to go to war with the people?
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How the F?? Can local police and sheriff departments buy these WAR vehicles, yet our teachers have to strike to get tiny pay raises?
Below vehicle costs $500,000 each.... floor mats extra !!!!
Our priorities need to change!!!!!!
you only need this in a war zone.... is the plan to go to war with the people?
Maybe. Generations of Americans and other countries have seen civil unrest and civil war...we have a dictator as a President and he has an army of voters who carry huge weapons. Peaceful protesters don't stand a chance of this gets really, really ugly.
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It does happen inexcusably, but keep in mind that the videos are at the forefront so of course it will appear the good are the exceptions.myoung321 said:Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
Human nature will never change; departments’ handling of these men and women is what needs to change.
ALL are accountable for their actions, regardless of profession.
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Agree, but what then if the "good" is the exception?hedonist said:
It does happen inexcusably, but keep in mind that the videos are at the forefront so of course it will appear the good are the exceptions.myoung321 said:Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
Human nature will never change; departments’ handling of these men and women is what needs to change.
ALL are accountable for their actions, regardless of profession.
Did you know... First Police Station was in Boston in 1838? - We did not have the type of policing across the country as we do today until the 1850s .... how did the U.S. and humanity survive before?
Just because it's all we know does not mean there aren't alternative ways to handle peace keeping in a society..
Think of it this way.......Many of us "older" members here are old enough to remember life before the internet... today younger generation could not image a world without it... We just can't imagine a country without the policing we have today... hopefully like other things...one day a future generations will laugh at how we had Military Style Police int he streets..... I CAN ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!Post edited by myoung321 on"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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I hear what you’re saying, but some people can’t even police themselves.myoung321 said:
Agree, but what then if the "good" is the exception?hedonist said:
It does happen inexcusably, but keep in mind that the videos are at the forefront so of course it will appear the good are the exceptions.myoung321 said:Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
Human nature will never change; departments’ handling of these men and women is what needs to change.
ALL are accountable for their actions, regardless of profession.
Did you know... First Police Station was in Boston in 1838? - We did not have the type of policing across the country as we do today until the 1850s .... how did the U.S. and humanity survive before?
Just because it's all we know does not mean there aren't alternative ways to handle peace keeping in a society..
Think of it this way.......Many of us "older" members here are old enough to remember life before the internet... today younger generation could not image a world without it... We just can't imagine a country without the policing we have today... hopefully like other things...one day a future generations will laugh at how we had Military Style Police int he streets..... I CAN ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!
What were the police here to do when people were being beaten for protecting their property? Or those who decided to burn and trash many small businesses? Who might you call for help when you’re in danger and unable to protect yourself?
I’m all for alternatives, but I have yet to see any viable or realistic ones.0 -
We don't need militarized police on US soil to protect us!hedonist said:
I hear what you’re saying, but some people can’t even police themselves.myoung321 said:
Agree, but what then if the "good" is the exception?hedonist said:
It does happen inexcusably, but keep in mind that the videos are at the forefront so of course it will appear the good are the exceptions.myoung321 said:Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
Human nature will never change; departments’ handling of these men and women is what needs to change.
ALL are accountable for their actions, regardless of profession.
Did you know... First Police Station was in Boston in 1838? - We did not have the type of policing across the country as we do today until the 1850s .... how did the U.S. and humanity survive before?
Just because it's all we know does not mean there aren't alternative ways to handle peace keeping in a society..
Think of it this way.......Many of us "older" members here are old enough to remember life before the internet... today younger generation could not image a world without it... We just can't imagine a country without the policing we have today... hopefully like other things...one day a future generations will laugh at how we had Military Style Police int he streets..... I CAN ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!
What were the police here to do when people were being beaten for protecting their property? Or those who decided to burn and trash many small businesses? Who might you call for help when you’re in danger and unable to protect yourself?
I’m all for alternatives, but I have yet to see any viable or realistic ones.
This is not the AMERICA I WANT!
Not sure what you've been seeing, but most of the "Beating of People" has been done by the police..... during and before these protest
https://youtu.be/PoWVX3ZhLvg
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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Ayanna Pressley now a co-lead on the bill
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"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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Militarization of the police is a serious issue that needs dealt with immediately, but citing history from before 1850 isn't a serious response to policing issues.myoung321 said:
Agree, but what then if the "good" is the exception?hedonist said:
It does happen inexcusably, but keep in mind that the videos are at the forefront so of course it will appear the good are the exceptions.myoung321 said:Today I've seen video after video of police abuse run rampant... The old "A few bad apples" has now been smashed. A few Good Apples? ...maybe.. We must change how we police in America. This system is not working for the people.
Human nature will never change; departments’ handling of these men and women is what needs to change.
ALL are accountable for their actions, regardless of profession.
Did you know... First Police Station was in Boston in 1838? - We did not have the type of policing across the country as we do today until the 1850s .... how did the U.S. and humanity survive before?
Just because it's all we know does not mean there aren't alternative ways to handle peace keeping in a society..
Think of it this way.......Many of us "older" members here are old enough to remember life before the internet... today younger generation could not image a world without it... We just can't imagine a country without the policing we have today... hopefully like other things...one day a future generations will laugh at how we had Military Style Police int he streets..... I CAN ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!
How did the US and humanity survive before?
With little rule of law, and a crazy amount of lunch mobs and rough riding posses.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer with regards to how other countries have turned things around so what needs to happen, the police and military have to switch sides? Completely join the protestors? How do the citizens completely take over?0
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We call that "Professional Courtesy". They get to park wherever, speed wherever, drink and drive. I get it.pjl44 said:
I think the biggest part is the fraternity that comes from the union. It permeates everything - for example, I have an LEO buddy who has gotten out of drunk driving more than once by flashing his badge to the cop who pulled him over. That's the subtext behind the thin blue line iconography - from flags to bumper stickers.PJNB said:I have asked what I consider good local police officers that are friends and family members of mine the same question as to what I am going to ask here and have never really gotten a good response. If there are only a few bad apples in the police force why are the good ones allowing the bad ones to tarnish their name and drag them in the mud too? Why are they not policing each other and calling the bad cops out more often? In my field of work if someone is not doing their job safely or putting someones else's life on the line that shit is called out immediately and the problem is fixed one way or another whether through retraining or suspension/being fired. Why are cops not able to control their own? It honestly baffles me.
Reason published a good opinion piece on this topic today.
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/its-time-to-bust-police-unions/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Some states a cop will flash a badge and it means nothing though. My cousin tried that in Virginia and still got a ticket.0 -
Busting the unions isn't a good idea though. They are trying to break the teachers union too which I don't like.
The unions need to clean their own houses and we would get better results.0 -
I said this somewhere else too, we need to show Law Enforcement some love. With everything going on it looks like it's war on the police and it shouldn't be about that.0
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Now is not the time. There are times when certain professions deserve applause at 7 every night, etc.
Please concentrate on what matters right now, ending police brutality, assisting minorities to gain equality, ensuring that you actively pursue assisting and encouraging people to vote. I’m not fighting with you, it’s not for me to change how you feel about the police, just asking that you and everyone remain vigilant about correcting the problems we face right now.0 -
You get it, as in you agree with it?tempo_n_groove said:
We call that "Professional Courtesy". They get to park wherever, speed wherever, drink and drive. I get it.pjl44 said:
I think the biggest part is the fraternity that comes from the union. It permeates everything - for example, I have an LEO buddy who has gotten out of drunk driving more than once by flashing his badge to the cop who pulled him over. That's the subtext behind the thin blue line iconography - from flags to bumper stickers.PJNB said:I have asked what I consider good local police officers that are friends and family members of mine the same question as to what I am going to ask here and have never really gotten a good response. If there are only a few bad apples in the police force why are the good ones allowing the bad ones to tarnish their name and drag them in the mud too? Why are they not policing each other and calling the bad cops out more often? In my field of work if someone is not doing their job safely or putting someones else's life on the line that shit is called out immediately and the problem is fixed one way or another whether through retraining or suspension/being fired. Why are cops not able to control their own? It honestly baffles me.
Reason published a good opinion piece on this topic today.
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/its-time-to-bust-police-unions/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Some states a cop will flash a badge and it means nothing though. My cousin tried that in Virginia and still got a ticket.
Or just that you are aware of it?
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