what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?

rr165892

rgambs said:

two words: electoral college

One word-Broken

Single vote system would be much better

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/americas-fed-obama-approval-rating-hits-all-time-low-poll-n17327

Godfather.

yeah, but.........

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/data_access/data/presidential_approval.html

Click on the president's name to get a full report and graph of presidential approval ratings. Updated 01/14/2014.

unsung

I have to disagree, I always used to be for ending the electoral college but I'm no longer in favor of that.

First of all ending it would eliminate the importance of a state. What is good for Idaho might not be good for Illinois and vice versa. I'd want Idaho to be fairly represented in a general election.

Secondly I live in Illinois, our current governor won only three or four counties out of over a hundred this past election. He won. Population voting gives too much power to big cities, often very liberal ones like Chicago, that dictate how the rest of the state works. Chicago is a shithole that brings the rest of the state down and makes Illinois a laughingstock of the nation.

Godfather.

NBC/Wallstreet journal reports obama's popularty has fallen to 40%.....ohhhh really ? does that mean America is finally waking up ?

Godfather.

Cliffy6745

Read a great article today about how Obama kept all his promises but in doing so created amuch bigger partisan divide. Good on him. Get shit done. Fuck the other side

unsung

Kept all of his promises? Like closing Gitmo?

mickeyrat

unsung said:

Kept all of his promises? Like closing Gitmo?

That requires dealing with the detainees. His idea, met with approval from a couple governors, was shot down by congress. Seems he's following the rules. Now isnt he?

rr165892

unsung said:

I have to disagree, I always used to be for ending the electoral college but I'm no longer in favor of that.

First of all ending it would eliminate the importance of a state. What is good for Idaho might not be good for Illinois and vice versa. I'd want Idaho to be fairly represented in a general election.

Secondly I live in Illinois, our current governor won only three or four counties out of over a hundred this past election. He won. Population voting gives too much power to big cities, often very liberal ones like Chicago, that dictate how the rest of the state works. Chicago is a shithole that brings the rest of the state down and makes Illinois a laughingstock of the nation.

Valid argument

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/americas-fed-obama-approval-rating-hits-all-time-low-poll-n17327

Godfather.

yeah, but.........

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/data_access/data/presidential_approval.html

Click on the president's name to get a full report and graph of presidential approval ratings. Updated 01/14/2014.

interesting, both Bush's have the the highest approval ratings.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/americas-fed-obama-approval-rating-hits-all-time-low-poll-n17327

Godfather.

yeah, but.........

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/data_access/data/presidential_approval.html

Click on the president's name to get a full report and graph of presidential approval ratings. Updated 01/14/2014.

interesting, both Bush's have the the highest approval ratings.

Godfather.

context GF. HW had what was liberating Kuwait. W had 9-11. Just something to take into account.


graph of HW's rating throughout his presidency
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush (G.H.W.)

here is W's
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/CFIDE/roper/presidential/webroot/presidential_rating_detail.cfm?allRate=True&presidentName=Bush
note the time periods for his highest ratings. Think it speaks volumes of the steady DECLINE in approval rating after the Invasion in 03

Jason P

Hope

Change

Forward?

Jason P

Ironically, "Drill Baby Drill" would have been more befitting now that the US leads the world in oil production under Obama's watch.

rgambs

yippy skippy lets all drown in oil! This world aint long for the world!
The carboniferous period lasted how many millions of years? And we have burned all that sequestered carbon in how many decades? Yeehaw!

JimmyV

If there is another country willing to take the lead on neutralizing ISIS I would love to hear from them.

Byrnzie

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mickeyrat

You said that already.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

rgambs said:

im not defending im looking at reality as it stands... You should try it!
Ron Paul was iced out of the election in every possible way, and if you think he could have surmounted the electoral college then you havnt been paying attention.

If everyone that said a third party can't win actually voted for one, they'd win.

I prefer not to make excuses anymore of why I voted for the lesser of two evils, after all that is still voting for evil.

I'll look myself in the mirror knowing I did what I could to end the two party charade and that I didn't contribute to it.

All that would happen is that a party that a clear minority voted for would be running things. Americans think more major parties would be an improvement. Sorry to break it to you, but it wouldn't be. You'd just end up like us, with an asshole as leader who only 32% of voters chose.

Byrnzie

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PJ_Soul

:-/

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

:-/

it would seem that there is just not much to say in obama's defence lately.

Godfather.