what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?
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I've been on here for a year! lol. I just haven't been on in like 6 months. We've debated things in the past.unsung said:
You must be new here.Guitar92player said:
But if anyone else was President you'd probably believe it, right.unsung said:Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
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You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
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No matter who is President, there will be tough decisions and their decisions will most likely not gain 100% approval. Romney could be President now and may have made the same decisions. He probably would have kept the NSA going and the secrets would have been released, he may or may not have saved Bergdahl (spelling?) and either decision he would've been blasted for it (granted if we knew he was captured) and he may have suppported Israel more, which at this point would make him look bad due to the many Palestinian civilian deaths.Idris said:
No modern president, correct, which is why I say, Obama is like them all. No better.josevolution said:
Every president from JFK to Obama would of kept the same silence , you can't name one that would of denounced Israel's actions none .....Idris said:
Obama's silence on what is happening in Gaza really says it all, shows where he stands. Shows who he is.callen said:
Obama 10000 'a times better than W period. The world is a fucked up place. Humans suck ass and any person you choose will have to make some decisions that suck either way. It's reality.Idris said:Wait, I agree. Obama has been a better president overall than Bush.
Better at manipulation, and more effective in his expansion of the U.S. Empire.
So Yes, I do see him as a better president than Bush, and that also does not mean that I also don't see Obama as a bad president, a murdering bully expanding the empire into Africa, a place W. could hardly touch. A place that will yield many major conflicts, the seeds Obama has planted.
The decisions Obama has made both for domestic and foreign affairs have been 1000 times better than Cheney presidency and that of what would be if McCain or Romney where in the White House.
To somehow think Obama is same as Bush is ludicrous.
1000 times better? Hardly.
In conclusion, NO President is going to get 100% approval and do everything we all want. The President has to deal with situations that none of us could fully comprehend or be able to take, which is why Presidents age so fast due to stress.
Every President has done good things and bad things. Every President from this day forward will get more heat due to the rise in technology, weaponry, etc. They have more things they must keep in check. Bush and Obama are the first two Presidents of the 21st century and it's a new world, so of course they are listed as the worst Presidents of recent memory.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Guitar92player said:
I've been on here for a year! lol. I just haven't been on in like 6 months. We've debated things in the past.unsung said:
You must be new here.Guitar92player said:
But if anyone else was President you'd probably believe it, right.unsung said:Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
Then here's a fact so don't forget it.
I've never voted for a republican for President.
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Not dismissing,But add up the last six years and its still a pretty hefty number as well.Including today.josevolution said:
I'm sorry but i find it horrible that 4,000 lives were treated as extra baggage and just dismissing it as such is not something i look at lightly ...rr165892 said:
Of course not(Can't speak for GF).But every president has a body count and questionable foreign interminglings.josevolution said:
So you guys are ok with the 4,000 American lives that were lost do to a bunch of made up lies about WMD's i just wanna know ....Not even counting how many Iraqi lives were destroyedrr165892 said:
You are far from alone in this.I agree with youGodfather. said:Idris lets not for get the IRS scandel,the flooding of Ilegal immigrants into America......just so many to choose from.
in my opinion Bush was a much better President although not a popular thing to say on the train it is still my opinion.
Godfather.
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Doesn't mean you don't align more with their party.unsung said:Guitar92player said:
I've been on here for a year! lol. I just haven't been on in like 6 months. We've debated things in the past.unsung said:
You must be new here.Guitar92player said:
But if anyone else was President you'd probably believe it, right.unsung said:Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
Then here's a fact so don't forget it.
I've never voted for a republican for President.
But I apologize for the assumption.
In my experience, all the people I know who think we did not kill Osama are Republicans or they hate Obama. They just won't accept the fact it happened under his presidency.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense0 -
I looooooove that white bigots had black president rubbed in their face.
Disclaimer. I do not suggest any of my fellow MT posters are in this category.Post edited by callen on10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
should I ?.....................nahhhhhhhh.callen said:I looooooove that white bigots had black president rubbed in their face.
Disclaimer. I do not suggest any of my fellow MT posters are in this category.
Godfather.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Guitar92player said:
Doesn't mean you don't align more with their party.unsung said:Guitar92player said:
I've been on here for a year! lol. I just haven't been on in like 6 months. We've debated things in the past.unsung said:
You must be new here.Guitar92player said:
But if anyone else was President you'd probably believe it, right.unsung said:Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
Then here's a fact so don't forget it.
I've never voted for a republican for President.
But I apologize for the assumption.
In my experience, all the people I know who think we did not kill Osama are Republicans or they hate Obama. They just won't accept the fact it happened under his presidency.
It depends on what part of the party we are talking about.
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Meant that. Not being sarcastic.Godfather. said:
should I ?.....................nahhhhhhhh.callen said:I looooooove that white bigots had black president rubbed in their face.
Disclaimer. I do not suggest any of my fellow MT posters are in this category.
Godfather.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
the hilarity ensues from 2 things.unsung said:
1. Thinking that a true libertarian could actually be elected higher than Senator.
2. Thinking that a Libertarian would actually be better! Instead of selling their souls to the corporate masters they would simply give it away because it is their twisted ideaology to bow to the free market above all else.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Lol, you ask for change but then defend the very system you want to change.0
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im not defending im looking at reality as it stands... You should try it!
Ron Paul was iced out of the election in every possible way, and if you think he could have surmounted the electoral college then you havnt been paying attention.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
im not defending im looking at reality as it stands... You should try it!
Ron Paul was iced out of the election in every possible way, and if you think he could have surmounted the electoral college then you havnt been paying attention.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I know, it's just that about a zillion thoughts rushed thru my head when I read it and as I giggled to myself I thoughjt not everybody would likecallen said:
Meant that. Not being sarcastic.Godfather. said:
should I ?.....................nahhhhhhhh.callen said:I looooooove that white bigots had black president rubbed in their face.
Disclaimer. I do not suggest any of my fellow MT posters are in this category.
Godfather.
some political satire.
Godfather.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487rgambs said:
im not defending im looking at reality as it stands... You should try it!
Ron Paul was iced out of the election in every possible way, and if you think he could have surmounted the electoral college then you havnt been paying attention.
If everyone that said a third party can't win actually voted for one, they'd win.
I prefer not to make excuses anymore of why I voted for the lesser of two evils, after all that is still voting for evil.
I'll look myself in the mirror knowing I did what I could to end the two party charade and that I didn't contribute to it.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487rgambs said:
im not defending im looking at reality as it stands... You should try it!
Ron Paul was iced out of the election in every possible way, and if you think he could have surmounted the electoral college then you havnt been paying attention.
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/it-only-took-half-wikipedia-entry-libertarianism-c-6950 -
two words: electoral collegeMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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change like that comes bottom up. local, then up to state level, and only then can national see any.
takes a long time.
In the meantime, THAT candidate has to remain disciplined to their principles and not "sellout" because of political expediency._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Wrong.More political satire is just the ticket.keep it coming.Godfather. said:
I know, it's just that about a zillion thoughts rushed thru my head when I read it and as I giggled to myself I thoughjt not everybody would likecallen said:
Meant that. Not being sarcastic.Godfather. said:
should I ?.....................nahhhhhhhh.callen said:I looooooove that white bigots had black president rubbed in their face.
Disclaimer. I do not suggest any of my fellow MT posters are in this category.
Godfather.
some political satire.
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