Simple question: Do you support Israel's right to exist?

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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255

    I think for you to get that defensive that I asked that question is weird man.

    I got defensive because I thought it was a dumb question. And thought you're trying to troll. Look what Israel's resposene was to the 3 teens killed. That should've given you your answer. Sorry for getting angry.
  • edited August 2014
    Yeah I mean obviously the military response is one thing. I was asking what actually happened to the killers.

    I promise you one thing man, whenever I talk about this stuff I'm not trying to troll. It's important stuff. We might disagree a lot, but I'm not trying to troll.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014

    What happened to the killers of the three kids?

    Not sure. But they're in Israel's custody, right? I doubt they'll be able to get away with pleading insanity and be back on the streets within a month.

    What happened to the IDF sniper who murdered two unarmed Palestinian teenagers in May of this year? Nothing. Nothing at all.

  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    What happened to those who killed the 3 settlers? Well let's first keep in mind that Israel has 3 suspects who have not been tried in a court of law yet. Despite that, yesterday Israeli forces demolished their houses in the West Bank. Why? Because Israel believes in inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinians even without having to prove anything.
    You can't be democratic when you are running an apartheid state.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    No response to the above posts, @dancinacrossthewater‌? You kept asking what happened to the Palestinian suspects, as if to suggest some sort of "equal justice" between Jews and Palestinians in Israel, but once you were proven wrong, silence?
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    So much for the cease fire, idf gone back into gaza.
  • fuck said:

    No response to the above posts, @dancinacrossthewater‌? You kept asking what happened to the Palestinian suspects, as if to suggest some sort of "equal justice" between Jews and Palestinians in Israel, but once you were proven wrong, silence?

    Every time I don't respond directly to something you post you think I'm ignoring it.

    Did you see I support the avaaz petition Byrnzie posted? Is there any attempt on your part to engage at all with other opinions on this issue?
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    badbrains said:

    So much for the cease fire, idf gone back into gaza.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html

    Let the killing resume :(
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    So much for the cease fire, idf gone back into gaza.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html

    Let the killing resume :(
    What a ridiculous article. Though it's no surprise considering it's the NYT.

    Edit: Although it's still better than anything you would read on the BBC. At least this NYT article allows some Palestinians to comment. I don't think the BBC have ever presented anything other than the Israeli viewpoint in the past 20 years.

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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150
    Byrnzie said:

    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    So much for the cease fire, idf gone back into gaza.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html

    Let the killing resume :(
    What a ridiculous article. Though it's no surprise considering it's the NYT.

    Edit: Although it's still better than anything you would read on the BBC. At least this NYT article allows some Palestinians to comment. I don't think the BBC have ever presented anything other than the Israeli viewpoint in the past 20 years.

    I'm curious to hear what you found 'ridiculous' about it. I'll admit I didn't even read the article when I posted it - it was the first result that popped up when I typed "israel" into Google and I figured I'd provide a source.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2014
    benjs said:

    I'm curious to hear what you found 'ridiculous' about it. I'll admit I didn't even read the article when I posted it - it was the first result that popped up when I typed "israel" into Google and I figured I'd provide a source.

    To be honest, my comment was mostly inspired by this particular line which implies that Hamas used dead civilians as political 'leverage'.

    'During the war, the rising death toll put pressure on Israel. But during the cease-fire Hamas finds itself with diminished leverage, and so has resorted to threatening and provoking Israel.'

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    Byrnzie said:

    benjs said:

    I'm curious to hear what you found 'ridiculous' about it. I'll admit I didn't even read the article when I posted it - it was the first result that popped up when I typed "israel" into Google and I figured I'd provide a source.

    To be honest, my comment was mostly inspired by this particular comment which implies that Hamas used dead civilians as political 'leverage'.

    'During the war, the rising death toll put pressure on Israel. But during the cease-fire Hamas finds itself with diminished leverage, and so has resorted to threatening and provoking Israel.'

    That sounds pretty damn likely to me.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul said:

    That sounds pretty damn likely to me.

    Of course it does.

  • PJ_Soul said:

    Byrnzie said:

    benjs said:

    I'm curious to hear what you found 'ridiculous' about it. I'll admit I didn't even read the article when I posted it - it was the first result that popped up when I typed "israel" into Google and I figured I'd provide a source.

    To be honest, my comment was mostly inspired by this particular comment which implies that Hamas used dead civilians as political 'leverage'.

    'During the war, the rising death toll put pressure on Israel. But during the cease-fire Hamas finds itself with diminished leverage, and so has resorted to threatening and provoking Israel.'

    That sounds pretty damn likely to me.
    Byrnzie to claim that Hamas isn't cynical about using Palestinians casualties as international leverage is just closing your eyes.

    Being critical of Hamas doesn't mean you don't support Palestine!
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    badbrains said:

    Come on really? Wtf is wrong with the media. I swear to god people just don't care.

    http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.610856?v=F2D3368469205EEFCC0D03EED55A46D6

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