Simple question: Do you support Israel's right to exist?

JC29856

Italians threw them in the ghettos so they got the fu(k out. It was pretty clear pretty quickly they weren't welcomed in Italy.

lukin2006

JC29856 said:

Italians threw them in the ghettos so they got the fu(k out. It was pretty clear pretty quickly they weren't welcomed in Italy.

Well they seem want in the middle east as well...hmmm.

lukin2006

Why were they even given a country? Jewish is a religion, right? Why did they decide on that parcel of land?

Byrnzie

The Zionists began moving into Israel at the turn of the 20th Century, a long time before WWII.
Actually, for a while they were planning to settle in Uganda of all places.

Idris

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

have a look at The Balfour Declaration, its a decent starting point.

Idris

Byrnzie said:

The Zionists began moving onto Israrl at the turn of the 20th Century, a long time before WWII.
Actually, for a while they were planning to settle in Uganda of all places.

And an Island close to Argentina I believe was another location considered.

rr165892

dimitrispearljam said:

all must die,and only Greeks to stay alive..
we were here in the planet before you bitches!!!

and hot girls to stay alive,ill allow that!!

What if I know some Greeks and really like the Yogurt and Gyros?? Does this spare my family from your world domination?
And who decides what women are hot?Is there a supreme Greek council that judges,like a miss universe contest? Women are beautiful in so many different ways,I say keep em all.
This might be tough to pull off but Your music is going to get a little boring only listening to bands that dance on tables while eating.:) With all non Greeks gone.

benjs

Idris said:

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

have a look at The Balfour Declaration, its a decent starting point.

It is. What's interesting about the Balfour Declaration to me is that, as one of two documents which the Declaration of Establishment of the State of Israel is based on, it clearly stipulates that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". From my perspective, not only is Israel in violation of international law, but also in violation of a core principle of equality upon which Israel's right to exist is based through actions such as a prolonged occupation/annexation, restriction of goods and service flow independent of why those restrictions are in place, and the existence of different tiers of citizenship. If Israel is willing to call the Palestinian regions part of Israel, they must also be willing to take the good and bad that comes with them, and deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, as the rest of Israel.

Edit: Alternatively, if Israel is unwilling to deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, they are morally, ethically, and politically obligated to liberate the Palestinian regions from Israeli rule. At that point, if Israel wants to fortify its own borders and restrict trade, they would be no different from Egypt at the moment: restricting trade citing security concerns (which is perfectly legal). This would put the onus on Hamas and Fatah to assuage global concerns about security related to terrorism (please note I am NOT saying whether Hamas produces terrorism, only saying that the world fears that they do), and force accountability in those cases solely in the hands of Hamas. Which, ironically, is exactly what Israel wants (apparently), no?

lukin2006

seems like its all fucked up ...

JimmyV

lukin2006 said:

seems like its all fucked up ...

Wiser words have never been spoken. Sadly, it is indeed all fucked up.

Idris

benjs said:

Idris said:

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

have a look at The Balfour Declaration, its a decent starting point.

It is. What's interesting about the Balfour Declaration to me is that, as one of two documents which the Declaration of Establishment of the State of Israel is based on, it clearly stipulates that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". From my perspective, not only is Israel in violation of international law, but also in violation of a core principle of equality upon which Israel's right to exist is based through actions such as a prolonged occupation/annexation, restriction of goods and service flow independent of why those restrictions are in place, and the existence of different tiers of citizenship. If Israel is willing to call the Palestinian regions part of Israel, they must also be willing to take the good and bad that comes with them, and deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, as the rest of Israel.

Edit: Alternatively, if Israel is unwilling to deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, they are morally, ethically, and politically obligated to liberate the Palestinian regions from Israeli rule. At that point, if Israel wants to fortify its own borders and restrict trade, they would be no different from Egypt at the moment: restricting trade citing security concerns (which is perfectly legal). This would put the onus on Hamas and Fatah to assuage global concerns about security related to terrorism (please note I am NOT saying whether Hamas produces terrorism, only saying that the world fears that they do), and force accountability in those cases solely in the hands of Hamas. Which, ironically, is exactly what Israel wants (apparently), no?

I concur.

dimitrispearljam

rr165892 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

all must die,and only Greeks to stay alive..
we were here in the planet before you bitches!!!

and hot girls to stay alive,ill allow that!!

What if I know some Greeks and really like the Yogurt and Gyros?? Does this spare my family from your world domination?
And who decides what women are hot?Is there a supreme Greek council that judges,like a miss universe contest? Women are beautiful in so many different ways,I say keep em all.
This might be tough to pull off but Your music is going to get a little boring only listening to bands that dance on tables while eating.:) With all non Greeks gone.

ill give u all women stays..and some taiwan - chinese cos they have some cheap gadgets at ebay..lol

mickeyrat

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

biblical history.

But lets nto forget the fact that hebrews were one of many tribes that lived in the area at various times.,

badbrains

https://twitter.com/gazaglobal/status/496704734963974144

Byrnzie

benjs said:

Idris said:

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

have a look at The Balfour Declaration, its a decent starting point.

It is. What's interesting about the Balfour Declaration to me is that, as one of two documents which the Declaration of Establishment of the State of Israel is based on, it clearly stipulates that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". From my perspective, not only is Israel in violation of international law, but also in violation of a core principle of equality upon which Israel's right to exist is based through actions such as a prolonged occupation/annexation, restriction of goods and service flow independent of why those restrictions are in place, and the existence of different tiers of citizenship. If Israel is willing to call the Palestinian regions part of Israel, they must also be willing to take the good and bad that comes with them, and deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, as the rest of Israel.

Edit: Alternatively, if Israel is unwilling to deliver equal treatment to those within those regions, they are morally, ethically, and politically obligated to liberate the Palestinian regions from Israeli rule. At that point, if Israel wants to fortify its own borders and restrict trade, they would be no different from Egypt at the moment: restricting trade citing security concerns (which is perfectly legal). This would put the onus on Hamas and Fatah to assuage global concerns about security related to terrorism (please note I am NOT saying whether Hamas produces terrorism, only saying that the world fears that they do), and force accountability in those cases solely in the hands of Hamas. Which, ironically, is exactly what Israel wants (apparently), no?

Exactly. Apologists of Israel love to harp on about 'delegitimization'. But those people who refuse to accept a Palestinian state are actually delegitimizing Israel. The very legal foundation of the state of Israel is predicated on the Palestinians also possessing their own state on the remaining territory.

badbrains

https://twitter.com/hamdodelic/status/496808579580829696

catefrances

Simple answer.... no.

badbrains

https://twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/500180130849779712

badbrains

https://twitter.com/gazaglobal/status/500251555246129153

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

Why was that particular piece of land given to Israel? Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of this region of the world. Was Israel created as a fallout from WW2? If so, why did they not partition off part of Germany for Israel? or Italy? Seems to be a solvable problem. Or not?

Because no one anywhere in Europe wanted the Jews either, basically.