What a horrifying question. Do you really got the nerves to even question my right to exsist?!
Israel = any israeli who lives in it borders; christians, muslimes, jews, circassians, bedouins, druzes, ethaists. All are servimg in the IDF (those who are not jews dont have to) Are working in israel. Geting education in Israel. Having social life. Making love, fuck some more, work, love, work, love. Peace peace peace. DO YOU REALY GOT THE NERVES TO QUESTION MORE THAN 7M PEOPLE RIGHT TO EXIST IN THEIR COUNTRY?!
Dose any country in the world have the right to exist? Lets talk about that. And please do detail the name of every country, and why they have the right to exist or not.. Open the worlds map. Good luck with the homework.
What does that even mean? Exist? Where? How? In what capacity?
Surely Israel in her current state should not be around.
Do you think the jews deserve any land at all?
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Micky....wow great post ! after reading it I started to think about the comments of "so called" stolen land in America and wondered how people can complain about the history of America and turn right around and support this argument...good for some but not for others ? it seems the world from day one of human existance has been in a battle for land or hunting grounds or even a cave for that matter, it seems that people choose sides from their heart's reather than truth or logic.........yea I'm tweeking,way tooooo much coffee. )
Godfather.
Why do you emphasize "so called' as you did when you spoke of America being stolen from its original inhabitants?
Do you deny that Europeans took the land from the native people by force?
it was bought with cash-beads-whisky-pelts and what ever else was up for barter and yes it was also taken by military action,why is that so hard to understand ? the indians fought and killed each other for land and hunting grounds,I'm not saying that was the right way but it is the human way it seems ..that is of corse unless you are singeling out white Euro Americans but if you will falt one race you have to falt them all,we as humans tend to fight for what we want rather than give up and world history proves that.
Godfather.
It's not hard to understand. To that, I'd say why is it so hard to acknowledge?
To the rest of your post, there's some truth in there that some might not wish to acknowledge. And as well (I gotta say it)... Gawd there's a lot of spelling errors. I know you don't give a shit, but doesn't your computer have auto-correct or notify you of 'dicey' words? I get the impression you're getting by with a Commodore Vic 20.
acknowedged for sure I'm just tired of some of the people that keep using the term "stolen land",they ues as if to make racism the truth and reason for thier statements, I have read up on some history about this and some of it is just jaw dropping crazy, it was not all the red mans stories of madness about the white settlers coming to America there is some crazy stuff on both sides but I'll tell you this...this scalping thing....def a white man thing in the begening but when the indians turned it around on the white settlers...it freaked everybody hahhahha," long stick goes boom"
So why this post is still here? Why the fuck there are people here that deliberate on this topic?
But yet you're deliberating on this topic. You've been making an argument that some countries shouldn't exist due to their past crimes. The person who started this thread did do because he supports Israel, and he wants to pretend that Israel is the victim - whilst it's currently engaged in it's latest round of massacring Palestinians by the hundreds - and to imply that the people calling for an end to the murder and the illegal occupation are actually racists who believe that Israel shouldn't exist.
But you're right. This thread shouldn't still be here, as the question is actually just fucking stupid, cynical, and provocative, as I've already demonstrated.
Oh look! An Israeli asks a loaded question, intending to legitimize the atrocities their country is committing...Then another Israeli jumps, having a fit and trying to control the dialogue without realizing the OP's M.O. Cute.
The question isn't 'do you support Israel's right to exist' - within it's 1967 borders...or if you support Palestine's right to exist within their 1967 borders....as our Israeli friend pointed out - any sane person feels both sides deserve the right to self determination, right? So we're asking the wrong question. The right question is WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN? Israel has played this game for nearly 50 years. How's about we say at the 50 year mark, we allow the world's solution take hold (UN242), or Israel is slapped with sanctions, blockades, embargo's....maybe an international peace keeping force along the border, and to help remove the squatters from Palestinian land, whether Israel likes it or not? This bullshit charade has gone on far too long.
Oh look! An Israeli asks a loaded question, intending to legitimize the atrocities their country is committing...Then another Israeli jumps, having a fit and trying to control the dialogue without realizing the OP's M.O. Cute.
The question isn't 'do you support Israel's right to exist' - within it's 1967 borders...or if you support Palestine's right to exist within their 1967 borders....as our Israeli friend pointed out - any sane person feels both sides deserve the right to self determination, right? So we're asking the wrong question. The right question is WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN? Israel has played this game for nearly 50 years. How's about we say at the 50 year mark, we allow the world's solution take hold (UN242), or Israel is slapped with sanctions, blockades, embargo's....maybe an international peace keeping force along the border, and to help remove the squatters from Palestinian land, whether Israel likes it or not? This bullshit charade has gone on far too long.
I'm liking this answer a lot. Well said, Drowned Out. Enough with the imperialistic stance. Drawn the line and make it stick.
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I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
It's the guy on the first page with the first post. You know, the guy who STARTED this thread. He mite actually be your neighbor in Israel.
I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
It's the guy on the first page with the first post. You know, the guy who STARTED this thread. He mite actually be your neighbor in Israel.
Op as the operator of the forum. Who is he or her?
This thread is all over the place.Cant we keep the confusion and verbal jabs in 1 place so I don't have to keep going back and forth.Its all the same fucking discussion,That includes the Porch discussion up top
I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
It's the guy on the first page with the first post. You know, the guy who STARTED this thread. He mite actually be your neighbor in Israel.
Op as the operator of the forum. Who is he or her?
Say 'hey' to him from me.
Sivan, with all due respect, it is not fair to propose that only the questions which you like be asked. This is not an attack. The question of the legitimacy of the State of Israel, as well as the question of the legitimacy of Israel's presence within Gaza and the West Bank, are premises upon which a litany of ethical discussions are based.
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I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
It's the guy on the first page with the first post. You know, the guy who STARTED this thread. He mite actually be your neighbor in Israel.
Op as the operator of the forum. Who is he or her?
Say 'hey' to him from me.
You can flag a post for moderator review by clicking 'flag' next to the time of the post. OP = original poster...as in, thread starter.
But first - Why are you so desperate to end this discussion? Good luck with the mods, as this does not break any of the posting guidelines. Seems funny to me that an Israeli would be so upset by this, when this very question is the one that Palestinians are always expected to address, without any definitions, or borders to reference, since Israel refuses to issue a map..
I did what i did cause it was my point to clarify that there is no country on this planet with a history clean from violence. Including israel. This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not. Its should not be here. My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason.. I guess its your problem. Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
It's the guy on the first page with the first post. You know, the guy who STARTED this thread. He mite actually be your neighbor in Israel.
Op as the operator of the forum. Who is he or her?
Say 'hey' to him from me.
Sivan, with all due respect, it is not fair to propose that only the questions which you like be asked. This is not an attack. The question of the legitimacy of the State of Israel, as well as the question of the legitimacy of Israel's presence within Gaza and the West Bank, are premises upon which a litany of ethical discussions are based.
This is a fair statement and one that I think is at the crux of the whole issue.
So call me curious but why aren't more of you demanding from your elected officials, mostly the President that most of you support, that we end foreign aid?
If you stop and think and take partisan politics out of it you'd see that we prop one country up against another endlessly, we play puppet master with a country under each hand. We give this country jets to shoot the tanks that we gave another.
All of you can point fingers at Israel, the Palestinians, the Russians, Ukraine, etc. The fact of the matter is you should be pointing them at Washington DC.
If some of you weren't so stubborn about being good card carrying members of one party or another you might see that there's someone out there that wants us to stop playing matchmaker.
So call me curious but why aren't more of you demanding from your elected officials, mostly the President that most of you support, that we end foreign aid?
If you stop and think and take partisan politics out of it you'd see that we prop one country up against another endlessly, we play puppet master with a country under each hand. We give this country jets to shoot the tanks that we gave another.
All of you can point fingers at Israel, the Palestinians, the Russians, Ukraine, etc. The fact of the matter is you should be pointing them at Washington DC.
I have to agree with pointing the blame for sure. I heard a funny exchange between 2 of my friends yesterday on this subject. One said that," all Arab leaders are prostitutes" and the other friend fired back," ya and Israel is the pimps of the US and them." I laughed at that. This post u made reminded me of it lol.
As much as this is entertaining. I wonder when in let's say........20 to 40 years, the Arabs rise up and win the next world war. Then get offered back a piece of land that nobody can really say is theirs, make some homes on it and turf out the Jews as that is what the new world order had said will be. Would people like you express their right to say: "yes that is their new home and I don't have a beef with it."? As you surely know, as the world turns the lines on the map move. Sometimes for the sweeter pot for one people and sometimes for the shithouse for the others.
Why did the Jews leave in first place? Sick of the place? Not enough technology to make a dump in the desert habitable at the time?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
So call me curious but why aren't more of you demanding from your elected officials, mostly the President that most of you support, that we end foreign aid?
If you stop and think and take partisan politics out of it you'd see that we prop one country up against another endlessly, we play puppet master with a country under each hand. We give this country jets to shoot the tanks that we gave another.
All of you can point fingers at Israel, the Palestinians, the Russians, Ukraine, etc. The fact of the matter is you should be pointing them at Washington DC.
i have no problem with humanitarian aid in terms of natural disaster, outbreaks of disease, abject poverty, humanitarian crisis, etc. but we should be nowhere near the business of arming one country against the other, or militarily interfering on other countries' affairs to further our own agenda. or in the case of israel/palestine, one country against an open air prison, which is in itself a humanitarian crisis.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If some of you weren't so stubborn about being good card carrying members of one party or another you might see that there's someone out there that wants us to stop playing matchmaker.
i take it this was pointed at me. i criticize obama and democrats when i feel that they deserve it. i have slammed them for their position of being firmly up israel's ass.
as i have stated numerous times, i am with the pauls for their foreign policy of not getting involved, but i think their domestic and economic and poverty policies are terrible.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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They comit a horrifying genocide and massacred the Armenian people systematicly.
Simple question:
Do you support in Sudan's right to *exsist?
Does Germany have a right to exist? That country produced the holocaust.
Does Belgium have a right to exist? They carried out genocide in the Congo.
And Britain, and the U.S, e.t.c, e.t.c.
Like I said above, the question is stupid.
Why the fuck there are people here that deliberate on this topic?
Even if this was an attempt to provocation, there is no place for such topic or a chance to enen start a debate on it.
acknowedged for sure I'm just tired of some of the people that keep using the term "stolen land",they ues as if to make racism the truth and reason for thier statements, I have read up on some history about this and some of it is just jaw dropping crazy, it was not all the red mans stories of madness about the white settlers coming to America there is some crazy stuff on both sides but I'll tell you this...this scalping thing....def a white man thing in the begening but when the indians turned it around on the white settlers...it freaked everybody hahhahha," long stick goes boom"
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.
The person who started this thread did do because he supports Israel, and he wants to pretend that Israel is the victim - whilst it's currently engaged in it's latest round of massacring Palestinians by the hundreds - and to imply that the people calling for an end to the murder and the illegal occupation are actually racists who believe that Israel shouldn't exist.
But you're right. This thread shouldn't still be here, as the question is actually just fucking stupid, cynical, and provocative, as I've already demonstrated.
The question isn't 'do you support Israel's right to exist' - within it's 1967 borders...or if you support Palestine's right to exist within their 1967 borders....as our Israeli friend pointed out - any sane person feels both sides deserve the right to self determination, right? So we're asking the wrong question. The right question is WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN?
Israel has played this game for nearly 50 years. How's about we say at the 50 year mark, we allow the world's solution take hold (UN242), or Israel is slapped with sanctions, blockades, embargo's....maybe an international peace keeping force along the border, and to help remove the squatters from Palestinian land, whether Israel likes it or not? This bullshit charade has gone on far too long.
Including israel.
This topic is fucked up if its provocation or not.
Its should not be here.
My point is that, this kind of deliberation has no place between us, human beings.
But if you enjoy it, from some other fucked up reason..
I guess its your problem.
Who is the OP of the forum that i can PM him/her?
No more war.
No more pain.
No more hate.
Who is he or her?
Say 'hey' to him from me.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
OP = original poster...as in, thread starter.
But first - Why are you so desperate to end this discussion? Good luck with the mods, as this does not break any of the posting guidelines. Seems funny to me that an Israeli would be so upset by this, when this very question is the one that Palestinians are always expected to address, without any definitions, or borders to reference, since Israel refuses to issue a map..
Oh, the hypocrisy.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If you stop and think and take partisan politics out of it you'd see that we prop one country up against another endlessly, we play puppet master with a country under each hand. We give this country jets to shoot the tanks that we gave another.
All of you can point fingers at Israel, the Palestinians, the Russians, Ukraine, etc. The fact of the matter is you should be pointing them at Washington DC.
Why did the Jews leave in first place? Sick of the place? Not enough technology to make a dump in the desert habitable at the time?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
as i have stated numerous times, i am with the pauls for their foreign policy of not getting involved, but i think their domestic and economic and poverty policies are terrible.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."