How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005
It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.
Is he a hero of yours?
Shit byrnzie, they made Ariel Sharon PM at one time, but I wouldn't want to bring up a story from 10 years ago now would I???
How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005
It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.
Is he a hero of yours?
Shit byrnzie, they made Ariel Sharon PM at one time, but I wouldn't want to bring up a story from 10 years ago now would I???
Anyone know the story of Sharon when he was the head of the stern gang? Pretty fucked up story or legends if u want to call them that. The dude was an evil man his whole life.
I 100% support Israel's right to exist and protect itself.I don't support All that it takes to do that.I also support Palestinians right to exist and remain in the land they were on.I don't support all it takes to do that.So there it is.
you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate
I've already explained to you why this conflict has been allowed to go on for 47 years. But yet you continue spouting your Islamophobic gibberish.
Why do you keep ignoring the facts, and pretending that 'both sides are as bad as each other'? Even a five year old with one iota of honesty could see that this is not a contest between equals. By pretending that this is a level playing field, you're simply siding with the oppressor. Now why would you do that?
You've made a few telling comments on here squawking about Muslims, such as Muslims wanting the "total elimination of Jews and Christians in the Middle East", and Muslims who "want also a western free,Jewish free and non Muslim free world and Middle East", and "I as a American have felt the loss of our sons and daughters fighting global terror,which these groups like other extremists groups are part of."
Just for your information, Hamas are not a part of any Global terror. They're part of a resistance movement fighting an illegal occupation.
Before you continue trying to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of this issue, I suggest you try educating yourself on it. And that doesn't mean that you should spend more time watching CNN either.
But let's get down to brass tacks here: you don't like Muslims very much, do you? Your ridiculous Islamophobic bullshit is all too telling.
And yet you have the audacity to accuse me of spreading hate, and of supporting violence?
Lets start here.I have no problem at all with Muslims.Any of my friends or Buisness associates who are Islamic are great family people who love peace and family and just trying to do right by their families.I have some very close friends who are Lebanese and we talk politics all the time.So know up front I'm not a Rascist or a hater.Im just not. As I said I'm against the dangers that fundamentalist mentalities bring with it.This extends to the fundamentalist Zionists,The crazy Hard core Christians here in the south, and the Islamic Jihad folks for sure.People are People no doubt.Its the fucked up dogma and ideology that gets in the way of progress. I applaud you on answering me.I don't agree with you that those you support are benign in all intense and purpose.But I respect you getting it out in front and appreciate your passion. I answered in a previous post about an hour ago what my definition of Terror was.Please go back and read it as it takes me to long to type on my IPad.Im working between all this so I can't reply as quick as I would like. And I do not agree with further expansion of Israeli land.I also feel the 1967 lines could be a security threat and Israel cant give it all back.I also don't think it's realistic to think that Israel will ask 300k settlers to up and move.But I do think a compromise is doable with 2big things involved.1.the Palestinians except and embrace the Israel's right to exist with compromise on sharing certain land with existing settlers,while ,zero expansion takes place in the future and 2.israel except land concessions back to the Palestinians and embrace their right to exist and live with the freedoms that israelis enjoy,and allow the society to be open for commerce and trade with a lifting of border stops and sea embargo.But demilitarizing is a must.
Standing With Eddie Vedder and the Real Possibility of Peace
Palestinian / Israeli Separation Wall Thank you Eddie Vedder for speaking up for peace in our world. Eddie has gotten some criticism over comments he made about the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis. That situation has been messed up for so long, it is no wonder that even mentioning it is toxic. Let’s face it, the relationship between the Palestinians and the Israelis is a disaster! I don’t know how many times I have heard the same explanations and excuses and it matters not, there is a continuing catastrophe between those two peoples.
Our world is connected as never before. People from all corners of the planet share culture and commerce at the click of a mouse. In contrast to this great convergence of humanity, Israel is building tall concrete walls while Palestinians fire rockets over them. There's a shared recent history between these people, and I think there could be a shared future that's more in tune with what's going on with our ever-connected universe.
Hamas' policy of not recognizing Israel is a dead end. All our lives are a result of the course of history. In other words, one thing leads to another, and our circumstances bring us to where we are. Israel has been a state for over 50 years, and has grown to seven million citizens. Furthermore, Israel is an inclusive democracy with universal human rights. In fact, Arab Israelis, like all its citizens, can vote for parties who hold seats in the Knesset, the national legislature.
However, if there is to be recognition of the course of history, we cannot forget the demographic changes the idea of Israel has created over 50 years. The influx of people into Israel--mostly Europeans--has displaced some four million Palestinians. You can give any anecdote you want about how small Israel is in comparison to the rest of the Middle East but the sentiment is still there--Palestinians feel that their land was taken away.
The region is host to the convergence of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. It's where these religions started, and the region's extensive history draws from all three of these Abrahamic faiths. Radicals hold eschatological beliefs that, if manifested, could set off a major religious conflict in the region and world. You have to credit Israel for keeping a lid on this dynamic while at the same time granting religious freedom.
As we've seen with other conflicts, things do and can change. The "troubles" in Northern Ireland were a result of events a century ago, and after a proactive effort, peace has taken hold. Yugoslavia was another 19th-century idea that when put into practice caused much controversy and conflict. Today we find the south Slavs working to come together in the European Union. In both these cases, a resolution of the conflict was buttressed by the promise of the stability needed for prosperity to happen.
The people of Palestine and Israel deserve peace and prosperity. It is time to stop repeating the same old arguments, dogma and hate speech. It is the knuckleheads on both sides that should be criticized and not the singer from a rock band. In addition, both sides need to make hard decisions about finding a settlement to the catastrophe that is Israel/ Palestine.
Thanks Eddie for sharing your feelings. I stand with you my friend!!!
Krists blog in full.Worth a repeat read hear folks.
How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005
It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.
Is he a hero of yours?
I try to look up to Mahmoud Al Zahar- Hamas founder: "The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."
I try to look up to Mahmoud Al Zahar- Hamas founder: "The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."
Hamas has modified it's position over the past ten years, and accepts the international consensus of a two-state solution on the 1967 borders.
But I know you don't care about that, because the Israeli's want all of the land between the river and the sea.
"We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." -- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"I would have joined a terrorist organization." -- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
"I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. Former Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, speaking to Amos Oz, editor of Davar, on Dec. 17, 1982
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." First Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion
I try to look up to Mahmoud Al Zahar- Hamas founder: "The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."
Hamas has modified it's position over the past ten years, and accepts the international consensus of a two-state solution on the 1967 borders.
But I know you don't care about that, because the Israeli's want all of the land between the river and the sea.
"We must expel Arabs and take their places." -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy." -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat." -- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
All those statements will be ignored byrnzie. Unreal
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.
I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.
I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
Israeli Writer Gideon Levy: If Netanyahu Wants to Stop the Rockets, He Needs to Accept a Just Peace
AMY GOODMAN: Gideon Levy is with us from Tel Aviv, the Ha’aretz columnist and a member of the editorial board. You, Gideon Levy, in a piece, wrote that "Israel does not want peace." That was the headline. Why?
GIDEON LEVY: You just have to look at the record. I mean, sure, Israel wants peace. Israel just doesn’t want a just peace. And it’s all about justice. You look backwards, and you ask yourself: In which stage, in which moment, was Israel willing to give up the occupation? Give me one example in which there was a genuine readiness to put an end to the occupation. It was never there. It was all about gaining time and maintaining the status quo. And it’s also now about gaining time and maintaining the status quo—namely, the West Bank occupied, Gaza under siege, peaceful life in Israel. This formula cannot last forever. And I wish I’ll be wrong, but I cannot recall one example in which there was a genuine willingness to put an end to the occupation. This was never. There were all kind of—we had Oslo. We had other peace talks. But it was never there.
And if you want the most ultimate proof for it, it’s the settlements. Nobody is saying we’ll continue to build settlements if he has an intention to return those lands. But Israel never stopped building settlements. And as Israel never stopped building settlements, Israel said to the Palestinians and to the world, "I have no intention to give up this piece of land."
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More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.
I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
If you want condemnation over the 4 children killed on the beach, I will give it you. It's disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. I don't want to defend it and am not going to try.
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple. And the Hamas sympathizers accept it. There is no accountability for Hamas whatsoever. None! In fact, like propaganda machines, you mock this idea like it was invented by a blonde foxnews reporter. But try and shoot it down like a jet landing at Ben Gurian, it's not helping the people of gaza or the end solution.
Hamas has literally accomplished nothing for the people that have elected them into power. Not a single thing. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is pulling Israel into war to gain additional sympathy and an uneven prisoner swap. The have even managed to isolate their position even further as the Brotherhood has found easier lands in which to cause havoc and spend their resources.
I would ask people to boycott all things Hamas, but it would simply be to avoid buying a light green t-shirt at the GAP. Your list of companies is tremendous by the way... Rodger would be proud of you. I will lay down my Coke and drink water in solidarity with you!
How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005
It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.
Is he a hero of yours?
I try to look up to Mahmoud Al Zahar- Hamas founder: "The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."
Sweet guy.Hamas is no doubt trying to destabilize the peace process.I believe the P A and the Israelis do want a peace treaty but Hamas does not in good faith.They gamble with the lives and welfare of the population they should be protecting.
More bombs found at school by the UNRWA. Gave the first 20 back to Hamas. I'm assuming they will get these back too!
So what are you saying? You saying kids are launching missles or dropping bombs from schools? Or are you saying Hamas is hiding amongst kids in schools? Which would mean you actually THINK that with ALL THE SHIT going on in gaza, that Palestinian children are going to school? Really? Come on man. Wake up. Think, just for a second. Shit, take 5 mins, take an hr. But think, do you really believe everything that the media is telling you or should say selling you? Where "should" they hide them? Can I ask you a personal question? Did you live in Israel or have family there? I'm asking genuinely. I'll give you credit philly, you're def very passionate about this. And I applaud that.
I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
If you want condemnation over the 4 children killed on the beach, I will give it you. It's disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. I don't want to defend it and am not going to try.
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple. And the Hamas sympathizers accept it. There is no accountability for Hamas whatsoever. None! In fact, like propaganda machines, you mock this idea like it was invented by a blonde foxnews reporter. But try and shoot it down like a jet landing at Ben Gurian, it's not helping the people of gaza or the end solution.
Hamas has literally accomplished nothing for the people that have elected them into power. Not a single thing. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is pulling Israel into war to gain additional sympathy and an uneven prisoner swap. The have even managed to isolate their position even further as the Brotherhood has found easier lands in which to cause havoc and spend their resources.
I would ask people to boycott all things Hamas, but it would simply be to avoid buying a light green t-shirt at the GAP. Your list of companies is tremendous by the way... Rodger would be proud of you. I will lay down my Coke and drink water in solidarity with you!
Your on point here Philly.I have been saying the same
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I asked you to define 'terrorist organization'.
And I asked you if you support Israel's illegal occupation.
I also asked you what 'borders' you were referring to.
As I said I'm against the dangers that fundamentalist mentalities bring with it.This extends to the fundamentalist Zionists,The crazy Hard core Christians here in the south, and the Islamic Jihad folks for sure.People are People no doubt.Its the fucked up dogma and ideology that gets in the way of progress.
I applaud you on answering me.I don't agree with you that those you support are benign in all intense and purpose.But I respect you getting it out in front and appreciate your passion.
I answered in a previous post about an hour ago what my definition of Terror was.Please go back and read it as it takes me to long to type on my IPad.Im working between all this so I can't reply as quick as I would like.
And I do not agree with further expansion of Israeli land.I also feel the 1967 lines could be a security threat and Israel cant give it all back.I also don't think it's realistic to think that Israel will ask 300k settlers to up and move.But I do think a compromise is doable with 2big things involved.1.the Palestinians except and embrace the Israel's right to exist with compromise on sharing certain land with existing settlers,while ,zero expansion takes place in the future and 2.israel except land concessions back to the Palestinians and embrace their right to exist and live with the freedoms that israelis enjoy,and allow the society to be open for commerce and trade with a lifting of border stops and sea embargo.But demilitarizing is a must.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/photo-gallery/2014/07/22/Danes-protest-for-Gaza-with-symbolic-coffins-.html
Palestinian / Israeli Separation Wall
Thank you Eddie Vedder for speaking up for peace in our world. Eddie has gotten some criticism over comments he made about the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis. That situation has been messed up for so long, it is no wonder that even mentioning it is toxic. Let’s face it, the relationship between the Palestinians and the Israelis is a disaster! I don’t know how many times I have heard the same explanations and excuses and it matters not, there is a continuing catastrophe between those two peoples.
Our world is connected as never before. People from all corners of the planet share culture and commerce at the click of a mouse. In contrast to this great convergence of humanity, Israel is building tall concrete walls while Palestinians fire rockets over them. There's a shared recent history between these people, and I think there could be a shared future that's more in tune with what's going on with our ever-connected universe.
Hamas' policy of not recognizing Israel is a dead end. All our lives are a result of the course of history. In other words, one thing leads to another, and our circumstances bring us to where we are. Israel has been a state for over 50 years, and has grown to seven million citizens. Furthermore, Israel is an inclusive democracy with universal human rights. In fact, Arab Israelis, like all its citizens, can vote for parties who hold seats in the Knesset, the national legislature.
However, if there is to be recognition of the course of history, we cannot forget the demographic changes the idea of Israel has created over 50 years. The influx of people into Israel--mostly Europeans--has displaced some four million Palestinians. You can give any anecdote you want about how small Israel is in comparison to the rest of the Middle East but the sentiment is still there--Palestinians feel that their land was taken away.
The region is host to the convergence of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. It's where these religions started, and the region's extensive history draws from all three of these Abrahamic faiths. Radicals hold eschatological beliefs that, if manifested, could set off a major religious conflict in the region and world. You have to credit Israel for keeping a lid on this dynamic while at the same time granting religious freedom.
As we've seen with other conflicts, things do and can change. The "troubles" in Northern Ireland were a result of events a century ago, and after a proactive effort, peace has taken hold. Yugoslavia was another 19th-century idea that when put into practice caused much controversy and conflict. Today we find the south Slavs working to come together in the European Union. In both these cases, a resolution of the conflict was buttressed by the promise of the stability needed for prosperity to happen.
The people of Palestine and Israel deserve peace and prosperity. It is time to stop repeating the same old arguments, dogma and hate speech. It is the knuckleheads on both sides that should be criticized and not the singer from a rock band. In addition, both sides need to make hard decisions about finding a settlement to the catastrophe that is Israel/ Palestine.
Thanks Eddie for sharing your feelings. I stand with you my friend!!!
Krists blog in full.Worth a repeat read hear folks.
she was run over by an idf bulldozer because she tried to prevent a palestinian home from being bulldozed. instead they bulldozed her and the home.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"The day we expel them is drawing near... We extended our hands to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers. We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation."
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But I know you don't care about that, because the Israeli's want all of the land between the river and the sea.
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
"I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.
Former Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, speaking to Amos Oz, editor of Davar, on Dec. 17, 1982
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
First Prime Minister of Israel, David Ben Gurion
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"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
Like I said, Hamas supports the international consensus - opposed by Israel and the U.S - for a peaceful settlement based on the 1967 borders.
Keep posting your bullshit.
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I'm curious to know, if they're finding bombs and missiles in schools and mosques, why are so many children dying and getting killed then? Those 4 fucken cousins playing soccer who were SHELLED, what were they doing that was wrong? Is it now a sin or crime for children to have some FUN? Is that what we've become? You can't tell when you're aiming you're fucken guns or thru the fucken cameras of the fucken drones you're sending, you can't tell the difference between children playing soccer on the beach, trying to fucken enjoy what little time they mite have on this earth from a terrorist? you have to take that away from them? Really? And you're gonna say it was a MISTAKE? And that makes it alright? Wow, we truly are FUCKED as a species.
Join the BDS Campaign, and boycott these products.
Hamas needs to stop this kind of shit. Does not help their cause.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/my-jewish-mother-my-palestinian-father-and-family-torn-apart-260422.html
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Israeli Writer Gideon Levy: If Netanyahu Wants to Stop the Rockets, He Needs to Accept a Just Peace
AMY GOODMAN: Gideon Levy is with us from Tel Aviv, the Ha’aretz columnist and a member of the editorial board. You, Gideon Levy, in a piece, wrote that "Israel does not want peace." That was the headline. Why?
GIDEON LEVY: You just have to look at the record. I mean, sure, Israel wants peace. Israel just doesn’t want a just peace. And it’s all about justice. You look backwards, and you ask yourself: In which stage, in which moment, was Israel willing to give up the occupation? Give me one example in which there was a genuine readiness to put an end to the occupation. It was never there. It was all about gaining time and maintaining the status quo. And it’s also now about gaining time and maintaining the status quo—namely, the West Bank occupied, Gaza under siege, peaceful life in Israel. This formula cannot last forever. And I wish I’ll be wrong, but I cannot recall one example in which there was a genuine willingness to put an end to the occupation. This was never. There were all kind of—we had Oslo. We had other peace talks. But it was never there.
And if you want the most ultimate proof for it, it’s the settlements. Nobody is saying we’ll continue to build settlements if he has an intention to return those lands. But Israel never stopped building settlements. And as Israel never stopped building settlements, Israel said to the Palestinians and to the world, "I have no intention to give up this piece of land."
However, people are dying because Hamas does launch millitary operations from civilian population centers. It's that simple. And the Hamas sympathizers accept it. There is no accountability for Hamas whatsoever. None! In fact, like propaganda machines, you mock this idea like it was invented by a blonde foxnews reporter. But try and shoot it down like a jet landing at Ben Gurian, it's not helping the people of gaza or the end solution.
Hamas has literally accomplished nothing for the people that have elected them into power. Not a single thing. In fact, the only thing that comes to mind is pulling Israel into war to gain additional sympathy and an uneven prisoner swap. The have even managed to isolate their position even further as the Brotherhood has found easier lands in which to cause havoc and spend their resources.
I would ask people to boycott all things Hamas, but it would simply be to avoid buying a light green t-shirt at the GAP. Your list of companies is tremendous by the way... Rodger would be proud of you. I will lay down my Coke and drink water in solidarity with you!
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