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rr165892 said:
you Never,Ever,Ever condone ANY action from a pro Palestinian side against the others is dangerous.Yes you will post 10 articles to make your point,Yes you argue about decades of stolen land and occupation ,but you don't ever comment on any wrong doing or the thousand of innocent lives that have also been lost in terror attacks against western interests,innocent Israelis and others in the name of a free Palestine.
Byrnzie said:
Maybe because they have fuck all to do with the root cause of the problems - the illegal occupation and land-grab.
So this is justification to support Terrorists? You can't be serious.Your answer must be yes,I support the groups which the world considers terror organizations.I hope those who rally behind your shocking media posts also realize who and why you support who you do.At least own it.At least stand up and say it,instead of being covert about it.Twist my words all you want I'm just trying to keep it all real out in front.0 -
Now that was funny, wow. Since when is byrnzie Palestinian? I always thought he was a British GOON living in communist china? RR, see your issue is with terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah whereas byrnzie's issue is with terrorist organizations like the Israeli GOVERNMENT and the US Governement. You say tomato and he says tomota. You say terrorist, one says freedom fighter.rr165892 said:
You sir do not read or choose once again to deal with only the partial reality you are viewing thru very jaded glasses.If you read my above post with any sort of Comprehension you would quit trying to blame me for "Hating the Palestinians,painting them as evil,etc,etc".It is clear I said nothing of the sort.Nor did I say anything even remotely degrading toward those unfortunately involved in this mess.I expressed my condolences and regret for there situation,so don't turn this around.My issue is with the Terrorist groups you support.You refuse to acknowledge ANY wrongdoings or violence on that side.Ive already stated this is directed to your side.My issues with the Israeli handling would be discussed with a radical on that side.You are not,so you get this side of it.Byrnzie said:
Maybe because they have fuck all to do with the root cause of the problems - the illegal occupation and land-grab.rr165892 said:you Never,Ever,Ever condone ANY action from a pro Palestinian side against the others is dangerous.Yes you will post 10 articles to make your point,Yes you argue about decades of stolen land and occupation ,but you don't ever comment on any wrong doing or the thousand of innocent lives that have also been lost in terror attacks against western interests,innocent Israelis and others in the name of a free Palestine.
You're simply reading from the Fox News script. Why are you trying to pretend that the only acts of terrorism have come from the Palestinians? You're just trying to turn reality on it's head.rr165892 said:These groups don't sell Girl Scout cookies and although they may have some benevolence to the people the say they speak for they are big time terror orginazations who are very dangerous and want also a western free,Jewish free and non Muslim free world and Middle East.(not all but many)
These groups DO NOT get a pass.No way,No how.The sooner you can admit that your people need to get out from under this refime the better.
I've already explained and documented the history of the so-called 'peace process' and how the Israeli's have proven time and time again that they have zero interest in a peaceful settlement in accordance with international law. But I can see that you don't give a fuck about that because it doesn't fit your cozy little narrative which paints the Palestinians as evil, bloodthisty bogeymen, and the Israeli's as reasonable, civilized, and virtuous.
No, it's THE issue here. And trying to deflect attention from the illegal occupation and the daily oppression and terrorizing of an entire people won't work.rr165892 said:Please don't turn this around about Israeli occupation.I know that is also at issue here but I'm addressing your side of this.
Quit deflecting,Quit hiding behind the headlines.Your only blaming one side.The leadership you follow also has blood on its hands.Stop making this one sided.You are being a fucking Hypocrite of the first degree.No wonder peace is so in obtainable.You folks in that region let your anger and past history get in the way of common sense forward thinking.Clouding your judgement.
You don't get a pass Byrnzie,No way.You have to acknowledge wrong both ways.
Oh btw,I don't watch fox,Im a CNN guy.Erin Burnett is the best and very cute also.But I'm not gonna just sit back and let you continue to back terrorist orginazations(You have never once spoke bad about any Muslim group no matter what there ideology )on these here boards with out you at least being accurate.You can't want and seek peace,while supporting violence and hate as ok because it fits your agenda.No,No,No you don't get to talk out both sides.And try picking thru my last post and actually answer some of what I'm asking,instead of just saying "It's the Israelis,the Americans ,fox news,blah,blah,blah.
The world is getting sick of seeing your people killed and general consensus may swing favorable toward your humanitarian needs.You don't need to continue to spew hate to get the light shined on your situation.
And from reading byrnzie's posts and your posts, your above post is delusional. Just my opinion, u know, the one us Americans are allowed to have. But plz, continue.0 -
Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.But,and it is a big but,you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate0
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And I love free speech and the forum provided to us to debate and discuss.We all are better for it.Thats why it can't be personal even if it is tough subject matter.0
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Define 'terrorist group'.rr165892 said:My issue is with the Terrorist groups you support.
No, I just refuse to be drawn into irrelevancies and distractions. Palestinian terrorist attacks do not justify or excuse Israel's 47 year old illegal occupation. They are not the cause of the occupation and land-grab, they're a symptom of it.rr165892 said:You refuse to acknowledge ANY wrongdoings or violence on that side.
I'm not making it one-sided. It is one-sided. One side is under military occupation. The other side is being forced to live under an Apartheid system. And Gaza has been turned into a large open-air prison, and the people forced to live on emergency aid, and supplies smuggled through tunnels. And people in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are subjected to daily humiliations, beatings, shootings, evictions, and house demolitions. What part of that don't you understand?rr165892 said:Your only blaming one side.The leadership you follow also has blood on its hands.Stop making this one sided.
I doubt you even know the meaning of the word.rr165892 said:You are being a fucking Hypocrite of the first degree.
Define 'terrorist organization'.rr165892 said:I'm not gonna just sit back and let you continue to back terrorist orginazations
I didn't realize that was mandatory.rr165892 said:You have never once spoke bad about any Muslim group
Another Israel apologist trying to turn reality on it's head.rr165892 said:You can't want and seek peace,while supporting violence
I support the Palestinians right to resist occupation, as they're entitled to do under international law. That means I support violence in your weird scheme of things.
Meanwhile, In the real World:
Operation Cast Lead:
Palestinian Civilians killed - 1,600
Israeli Civilians killed - 3
Palestinian civilians killed since 2000 - 4,226
Israeli civilians killed since 2000 - 731
O.k, troll, I get it. You want me to subscribe to your topsy-turvy world where 1+1=3, and shooting women and children waving white flags is called 'self-defence'.rr165892 said:You don't need to continue to spew hate to get the light shined on your situation.
Oh, and they're not 'my people'. I'm English, not Palestinian.
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But you have to admit that one side is getting way more of the brunt of the violence. Way more of the blood. Disproportionately so.rr165892 said:Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.But,and it is a big but,you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate
Hamas is guilty of shooting rockets at random Israeli civilian populations but to little or no effect. It's like the little kid who gets bullied on the playground trying to throw sand in the eye of the big bully and always missing. Then the big bully beats him down, walks to the little kids house, beats down his family.....kicks his dog on the way out......and the little kid gets up and tries to throw sand in the bullies face again.
But make no mistake who the big bully is.
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Self-defence?
http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/08/13/israel-investigate-white-flag-shootings-gaza-civilians
During Israel's recent Gaza offensive [2008-2009], Israeli soldiers unlawfully shot and killed 11 Palestinian civilians, including five women and four children, who were in groups waving white flags to convey their civilian status, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.
...The 63-page report, "White Flag Deaths: Killings of Palestinian Civilians during Operation Cast Lead," is based on field investigations of seven incident sites in Gaza, including ballistic evidence found at the scene, medical records of victims, and lengthy interviews with multiple witnesses - at least three people separately for each incident.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) declined repeated Human Rights Watch requests for a meeting to discuss the cases and did not respond to questions submitted in writing.0 -
Was this also self-defence?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.
...A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.
In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.
..Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.0 -
You haven't answered my question. I asked you to define 'terror organization'. Go on. I know you can do it. I'm waiting.rr165892 said:So this is justification to support Terrorists? You can't be serious.Your answer must be yes,I support the groups which the world considers terror organizations.I hope those who rally behind your shocking media posts also realize who and why you support who you do.At least own it.At least stand up and say it,instead of being covert about it.Twist my words all you want I'm just trying to keep it all real out in front.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gunshots-fired-at-al-jazeera-bureau-gaza-2014722829152765.html
Gunshots fired at Al Jazeera bureau in Gaza
Shots fired into Al Jazeera's office in Gaza, a day after Israeli FM said Israel will work to close down the network.
Stefanie Dekker said two shots were fired into the building where Al Jazeera is located
Gunshots have been fired into Al Jazeera’s bureau in the Gaza Strip amid an intensified bombardment campaign on the Palestinian enclave.
The shots caused panic among the civilians living in the same building but no casualties have been reported in the incident on Tuesday morning.
"Two very precise shots were fired straight into our building", Al Jazeera’s Stefanie Dekker, reporting from the bureau in Gaza said.
"We are high up in the building so we had a very strong vantage point over the area. But we have evacuated."
The bureau is situated in a residential area of Gaza City.
"Our office building also has many residential apartments. People [are] leaving, panicked. The AP [news agency] also has office there and [has] evacuated."
'Incitement' accusations
The attack came a day after Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman was quoted by local media as saying his country will work to close down Al Jazeera in Israel.
Al Jazeera "has abandoned even the perception of being a reliable news organisation and broadcasts from Gaza and to the world anti-Israel incitement, lies, and encouragement to the terrorists," Lieberman said.
Al Jazeera has been covering the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip that started on July 8.
"The foreign minister’s comments were a direct threat against us and appear to have been taken as a green light for the targeting of our journalists in Gaza. We hold the Israeli authorities fully responsible. They have put the lives of journalists in danger," the network said in a statement.
The death toll in Israel’s 14-day assault climbed to more than 607 Palestinians, including dozens of women and children. More than 3,700 others have been injured.
On the Israeli side, 27 troops and two civilians have been killed.
On Tuesday, the Israeli army said one of its soldiers was missing in Gaza.0 -
It's open season in Gaza. Anyone and everyone's a target - all in the name of self-defence, of course.dignin said:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gunshots-fired-at-al-jazeera-bureau-gaza-2014722829152765.html
Gunshots fired at Al Jazeera bureau in Gaza
Shots fired into Al Jazeera's office in Gaza, a day after Israeli FM said Israel will work to close down the network.
Stefanie Dekker said two shots were fired into the building where Al Jazeera is located
Gunshots have been fired into Al Jazeera’s bureau in the Gaza Strip amid an intensified bombardment campaign on the Palestinian enclave.
The shots caused panic among the civilians living in the same building but no casualties have been reported in the incident on Tuesday morning.
"Two very precise shots were fired straight into our building", Al Jazeera’s Stefanie Dekker, reporting from the bureau in Gaza said.
"We are high up in the building so we had a very strong vantage point over the area. But we have evacuated."
The bureau is situated in a residential area of Gaza City.
"Our office building also has many residential apartments. People [are] leaving, panicked. The AP [news agency] also has office there and [has] evacuated."
'Incitement' accusations
The attack came a day after Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman was quoted by local media as saying his country will work to close down Al Jazeera in Israel.
Al Jazeera "has abandoned even the perception of being a reliable news organisation and broadcasts from Gaza and to the world anti-Israel incitement, lies, and encouragement to the terrorists," Lieberman said.
Al Jazeera has been covering the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip that started on July 8.
"The foreign minister’s comments were a direct threat against us and appear to have been taken as a green light for the targeting of our journalists in Gaza. We hold the Israeli authorities fully responsible. They have put the lives of journalists in danger," the network said in a statement.
The death toll in Israel’s 14-day assault climbed to more than 607 Palestinians, including dozens of women and children. More than 3,700 others have been injured.
On the Israeli side, 27 troops and two civilians have been killed.
On Tuesday, the Israeli army said one of its soldiers was missing in Gaza.
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Yup, self defense. Fucken coward. Idf, fucking cowards. Put down your fucken weapons you fucken cowards. Enough already. Jesus fucken Christ, sickening. Where's the Israeli supporters chimming in on this story?Byrnzie said:Was this also self-defence?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.
...A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.
In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.
..Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.0 -
I've already explained to you why this conflict has been allowed to go on for 47 years. But yet you continue spouting your Islamophobic gibberish.rr165892 said:you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate
Why do you keep ignoring the facts, and pretending that 'both sides are as bad as each other'? Even a five year old with one iota of honesty could see that this is not a contest between equals. By pretending that this is a level playing field, you're simply siding with the oppressor. Now why would you do that?
You've made a few telling comments on here squawking about Muslims, such as Muslims wanting the "total elimination of Jews and Christians in the Middle East", and Muslims who "want also a western free,Jewish free and non Muslim free world and Middle East", and "I as a American have felt the loss of our sons and daughters fighting global terror,which these groups like other extremists groups are part of."
Just for your information, Hamas are not a part of any Global terror. They're part of a resistance movement fighting an illegal occupation.
Before you continue trying to lecture me on the rights and wrongs of this issue, I suggest you try educating yourself on it. And that doesn't mean that you should spend more time watching CNN either.
But let's get down to brass tacks here: you don't like Muslims very much, do you? Your ridiculous Islamophobic bullshit is all too telling.
And yet you have the audacity to accuse me of spreading hate, and of supporting violence?Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
Terrorism as we both know is Violence to forward a political agenda.But as bad brains said earlier we both are referencing the same issue from different points of view.As an outsider I can see the glaring faults of both sides and unlike you I can admit it.Byrnzie said:
You haven't answered my question. I asked you to define 'terror organization'. Go on. I know you can do it. I'm waiting.rr165892 said:So this is justification to support Terrorists? You can't be serious.Your answer must be yes,I support the groups which the world considers terror organizations.I hope those who rally behind your shocking media posts also realize who and why you support who you do.At least own it.At least stand up and say it,instead of being covert about it.Twist my words all you want I'm just trying to keep it all real out in front.
Ive always personally had a real issue with regimes that disregard human life to the point where violence is acceptable against innocent people.Sure you can say the same.I think it's how it's applied.Marterdom is applauded by Hamas,Al-Qaeda ,Hezbeloh,Isis,and the like.Strapping bombs to kids.Kids for fuck sake.and teens and walking into bistros and markets and blowing up to get a high body count is sick terrorism.For what,protest over land?Naming streets and celebrating these same acts to me is also in the mix.We don't need to rehash the old arguments we had on the other thread with things like hijackings,embassy bombings,Olympic athlete murders,kidnapping of groups of girls,Blowing up buildings,etc,etc,etc.......
I get in a war with two armies soldiers become victims.Although no less horrible it is understandable.But picking off random peeps to make a statement is wrong.0 -
Oh he definitely hates us Muslims, no doubt. And all the shit he spewed about us mite offend a lot of Muslims, but not me. Just shows me who he truly is. And that, well, doesn't really say much.Byrnzie said:
I've already explained to you why this conflict has been allowed to go on for 47 years.rr165892 said:you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate
Why do you keep ignoring the facts, and pretending that 'both sides are as bad as each other'? Even a five year old with one iota of honesty could see that this is not a contest between equals. By pretending that this is a level playing field, you're simply siding with the oppressor. Now why would you do that?
You've made a few telling comments on here squawking about Muslims, such as Muslims wanting the "total elimination of Jews and Christians in the Middle East", and Muslims who "want also a western free,Jewish free and non Muslim free world and Middle East", and "I as a American have felt the loss of our sons and daughters fighting global terror,which these groups like other extremists groups are part of."
You don't like Muslims very much, do you? Your ridiculous Islamophobic bullshit is all too telling.
And yet you have the audacity to accuse me of spreading hate, and of supporting violence?0 -
RR, there ISNT 2 fucken armies here.
RR said:
I get in a war with two armies soldiers become victims.Although no less horrible it is understandable.But picking off random peeps to make a statement is wrong.0
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