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badbrains

rr165892 said:

Byrnzie said:

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I 100% support Israel's right to exist and protect itself.I don't support All that it takes to do that.I also support Palestinians right to exist and remain in the land they were on.I don't support all it takes to do that.So there it is.

Then how do u support Israel 100%?

rr165892

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.But,and it is a big but,you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate

But you have to admit that one side is getting way more of the brunt of the violence. Way more of the blood. Disproportionately so.

Hamas is guilty of shooting rockets at random Israeli civilian populations but to little or no effect. It's like the little kid who gets bullied on the playground trying to throw sand in the eye of the big bully and always missing. Then the big bully beats him down, walks to the little kids house, beats down his family.....kicks his dog on the way out......and the little kid gets up and tries to throw sand in the bullies face again.

But make no mistake who the big bully is.

They have the might and the right to defend itself .It Dosent matter if Hamas Missles hit or not

Byrnzie

rr165892 said:

Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.

No, it's not a matter of perspective. It's a matter of sticking to the facts. Something which I know you have a big problem with.
You'd prefer instead to squawk about 'global terror', and Muslims wanting the "total elimination of Jews and Christians in the Middle East", e.t.c.

rr165892 said:

I 100% support Israel's right to exist and protect itself.I don't support All that it takes to do that.

That wasn't my question. My question was whether you support the illegal occupation and land-grab. So what's your answer?

dignin

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.But,and it is a big but,you have to acknowledge the shortcomings and faults on both sides.Thats my point.Of course he can have his position but lets at least agree that there is enough guilt,fault,and blood on both sides to go around. And BOTH sides have to concede the tough issues that keep them killing and at a stalemate

But you have to admit that one side is getting way more of the brunt of the violence. Way more of the blood. Disproportionately so.

Hamas is guilty of shooting rockets at random Israeli civilian populations but to little or no effect. It's like the little kid who gets bullied on the playground trying to throw sand in the eye of the big bully and always missing. Then the big bully beats him down, walks to the little kids house, beats down his family.....kicks his dog on the way out......and the little kid gets up and tries to throw sand in the bullies face again.

But make no mistake who the big bully is.

They have the might and the right to defend itself .It Dosent matter if Hamas Missles hit or not

Then we share very little common ground.

Byrnzie

rr165892 said:

They have the might and the right to defend itself .It Dosent matter if Hamas Missles hit or not

Is that what CNN told you to think? It's not sef-defense, it's murder.

Byrnzie

rr165892, do you support Israel's illegal occupation and land-grab?

rr165892

Byrnzie said:

rr165892 said:

Your so right Badbrains.It is a matter of perspective.

No, it's not a matter of perspective. It's a matter of sticking to the facts. Something which I know you have a big problem with.
You'd prefer instead to squawk about 'global terror', and Muslims wanting the "total elimination of Jews and Christians in the Middle East", e.t.c.

rr165892 said:

I 100% support Israel's right to exist and protect itself.I don't support All that it takes to do that.

That wasn't my question. My question was whether you support the illegal occupation and land-grab. So what's your answer?

Not peaceful Muslims ,fundamentalist extremist Muslims .Big difference.Fundamentalist anything is bad.

How about this Byrnzie.I will answer your loaded question when you answer my big question.Do you support Hamas,Hezbollah and the like.Do you believe as they do that all Jews/Israelis/Christians should be removed from Muslim land?

rr165892

I do not support the continued expansion of the Israeli settlements.I do not support the stringent Border closings by Israel and Egypt.I also do support a easing of Naval blockade.I support a pull back immediately for humanitarian aid.I support Israel being able to make its borders safe.

rr165892

I'm married to Brit Byrnzie,you can still be a Brit and be a Palestinian .

Byrnzie

rr165892 said:

How about this Byrnzie.I will answer your loaded question when you answer my big question.Do you support Hamas,Hezbollah and the like.Do you believe as they do that all Jews/Israelis/Christians should be removed from Muslim land?

Do I support Hamas and Hezbollah? Yes, I do. Although I realize that you don't know the first fucking thing about either group, which is why you've lumped them in together, just as you lump them in with 'global terror' and 'attacks on Western interests', e.t.c. Hamas were elected in a free and fair election by the people of Gaza, and they've done a lot to secure a relatively well functioning civilian infrastructure considering they've been operating in the face of a seven year blockade and repeated Israeli incursions and extra-judicial assassinations. Does that mean that I support the fact that in the past they've carried out terrorist attacks? No, it doesn't.

As for your comment that they believe that all Jews/Israelis/Christians should be removed from Muslim lands, this is bullshit, inspired by your racist Islamophobia, and can't be taken seriously. You're simply trying to turn reality on it's head in the face of Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign.

Now answer my question: Do you support Israel's illegal occupation and land-grab?

Byrnzie

rr165892 said:

I do not support the continued expansion of the Israeli settlements.I do not support the stringent Border closings by Israel and Egypt.I also do support a easing of Naval blockade.I support a pull back immediately for humanitarian aid.

Do you support the illegal occupation?

rr165892 said:

I support Israel being able to make its borders safe.

And what borders are you referring to? It's legal borders, based on the 1967 lines, or the borders of the 1949 Armistice line? Or it's current borders, which are illegal, and expanding as we speak?

Byrnzie

Also, you still haven't explained what 'terrorist organization' means.

Byrnzie

badbrains

Byrnzie said:

These faces and pictures would be ALL OVER THE FRONT PAGES of EVERY MAIN MEDIA OUTLET in the US if these humans were supporting Israel. Yup, our media ISNT bias that's for sure.

PhillyCrownOfThorns

badbrains said:

Byrnzie said:

Was this also self-defence?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

...A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

..Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

Yup, self defense. Fucken coward. Idf, fucking cowards. Put down your fucken weapons you fucken cowards. Enough already. Jesus fucken Christ, sickening. Where's the Israeli supporters chimming in on this story?

How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005

PhillyCrownOfThorns

badbrains said:

Byrnzie said:

These faces and pictures would be ALL OVER THE FRONT PAGES of EVERY MAIN MEDIA OUTLET in the US if these humans were supporting Israel. Yup, our media ISNT bias that's for sure.

Both side have to stop with this media bias BS! The propaganda is so silly and does nothing to change the situation.

badbrains

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

badbrains said:

Byrnzie said:

Was this also self-defence?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

...A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

..Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

Yup, self defense. Fucken coward. Idf, fucking cowards. Put down your fucken weapons you fucken cowards. Enough already. Jesus fucken Christ, sickening. Where's the Israeli supporters chimming in on this story?

How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005

I use the same time you use to regurgitate stories from 1000 years ago laying claim to the land belonging to the jews. You know, I looked at your avatar and it's fitting. Obama is the pimp and israel is the hooker, only in present day its actually reversed.

Byrnzie

http://www.timesofisrael.com/dermer-idf-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-for-unimaginable-restraint/
“Some are shamelessly accusing Israel of genocide and would put us in the dock for war crimes,. But the truth is that the Israeli Defense Forces should be given the Nobel Peace Prize… a Nobel Peace Prize for fighting with unimaginable restraint.” - Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer

Dermer’s comments followed a statement issued by Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, who on Sunday said that the IDF is the “most humane and bravest army in the world.

Meanwhile:

A spokesman for the health ministry says that 604 people have now been killed in Gaza and 3,700 injured. Approx 85% of those killed are civilians.

badbrains

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

badbrains said:

Byrnzie said:

These faces and pictures would be ALL OVER THE FRONT PAGES of EVERY MAIN MEDIA OUTLET in the US if these humans were supporting Israel. Yup, our media ISNT bias that's for sure.

Both side have to stop with this media bias BS! The propaganda is so silly and does nothing to change the situation.

Ummm, hard to stop the bias media in the US. Shit, I believe you live in philly (i was living in west Chester for 1 1/2 years, not that it matters) and most know who own and operate the media outlets. Shit, tmz ran a story that said Selena Gomez supports Hamas because she tweeted something to the extant of stop killing innocent kids or something like that and she didn't even take the tweet down unlike D Howard and Rihanna. Now you're gonna tell me I'm full of shit and blah blah blah. Look up who owns or operates CNN, faux, NBC OR CBS. I can tell u that they have some affiliation with Zionism. Now how can you have a bias media if you support one movement over another? What side are you gonna show to be the "good guy" and what sides gonna be the "bad" guy. Look it up. See who runs these machines. Murdock own what, 70% of all media outlets. An Australian Zionist. Not sure on the exact number but it's close.

Byrnzie

PhillyCrownOfThorns said:

How do you have time to regurgitate stories from 2005

It's not difficult. I use a computer. I could easily find hundreds more such stories like the one of the 13 year old school girl being murdered in cold-blood. By the way, the Captain who emptied his entire clip into her was later promoted to the rank of Major.

Is he a hero of yours?