http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/displaced-palestinians-gathered.html UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness has confirmed that there are “multiple dead and injured at designated UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.” He said on Twitter that the Israeli military had been given “precise co-ordinates of the UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.”
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/displaced-palestinians-gathered.html UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness has confirmed that there are “multiple dead and injured at designated UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.” He said on Twitter that the Israeli military had been given “precise co-ordinates of the UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.”
Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a UN school in the northern Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens who were seeking shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside.
It was the fourth time a UN facility has been hit in fighting between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza, since the Israeli operation began on 8 July.
...Six members of the same family and an 18-month-old boy were killed when an Israeli air strike hit the Jebaliya refugee camp in the early morning hours, according to Gaza police and health officials. Twenty others were injured in the strike, they said, and rescuers were digging through the rubble of flattened homes, looking for survivors.
An air strike on a home in the southern Gaza town of Abassan killed five members of another family, said Kidra, the Gaza health official. Abassan is near Khan Younis, in an area that saw intense fighting on Wednesday.
The 16-day conflict has claimed the lives of more than 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2014/07/thursday-updates-on-gaza-israel-tragedy.html Al Jazeera reports up to 30 killed, 100 injured, just now in UN school designated as "safe haven" and with no warning from Israelis. UN says Israel given full info on school and knew it was used as shelter and with no military activity there. AP story. Survivor: "We were sitting in the school, because we were told it is safe." Awaiting NYT defense (see below).
Richard Engel of NBC just tweeted: "Ambulances under attack again tdy. Was in one that came under fire in shejaia market." And: "UN school attacked in north gaza.. 13 at least killed. Bloody desks. Blood on ground. Terrified children."
What would you do? Start by treating Palestinians as humans
Palestinian families who fled their homes in the Shejaiya neighbourhood try to find safety in another part of Gaza City, July 20, 2014. Photo by Adel Hana / AP
Israeli Self-Defense Does Not Permit Killing Civilians
By Daniel Levy, New York Times July 22, 2014
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005; now Hamas is firing rockets at civilians; Israel has the right to self defense – the endlessly repeated question is “well, what would you do under such circumstances?”
To be clear, Hamas does carry responsibility for this situation – its targeting of Israeli civilians violates international law. The Hamas charter, its political platform and its military activities all deserve to be condemned. But Israel’s share of the responsibility is far greater. That is a hard conclusion to draw but a necessary one if our understanding of events, our responses and policies are to improve.
Israeli self-defense does not include the right to (again) kill hundreds of Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals or even to warn people to evacuate buildings when there is nowhere for them to go. The Israeli government’s attempt to a priori blame Hamas for all losses and thereby absolve itself of responsibility for casualties cannot be accepted.
Take a step back from this latest escalation. Most Gazans are refugees, their roots lie in the war and expulsion of 1948. From 1967 they lived under direct Israeli occupation and under blockade ever since, almost for the past decade.
Israel is not offering Gazans “quiet for quiet.” When Hamas ceases to fire, when it is “quiet,” Israel returns to normality, but Gazans remain cut off from the world, denied the most basic daily freedoms we take for granted.
Step further back to the West Bank, where the Palestinian strategic alternative to Hamas is pursued. The Fatah movement of President Abbas recognizes Israel, pursues peaceful negotiations and security cooperation. That is met with entrenched Israeli control, ever-expanding settlements, and Israeli military incursions into Palestinian cities at will.
So what would you do under such circumstances? Perhaps start by not denying another people’s rights in perpetuity, including the right to self-determination. Reverse the current incentive structure that reciprocates both Fatah demilitarization and Hamas cease-fires with variations on an Israeli brand of deepening occupation.
There is no military solution, but Israel’s government refuses any political solution – neither it nor the governing Likud Party have ever voted to accept a Palestinian state. Hamas’s nonrecognition of Israel is troubling, and so should this be.
Humans do not respond well to humiliation, repression and attempts to deny their most basic dignity. Palestinians are human. Palestinians will find ways to resist — that is human — and sometimes that resistance will be armed. When the Palestinian struggle abandons, rather than uses, international law, as Hamas does, it is right to call that out and to respond proportionately (Israel has gone well beyond proportional), even as channels should be kept open with Hamas.
Of course, Israelis do not respond well to being under fire either, but unlike the Palestinians they have a state, an army, American support and weaponry, and, thankfully, their freedom.
What would you do under such circumstances? Start by treating the Palestinians as humans, as you yourself would wish to be treated.
Daniel Levy is the director of the Middle East and North Africa programme at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation. He was a negotiator in Palestinian talks under Prime Ministers Rabin and Barak, and the lead Israeli drafter of the Geneva Initiative.
Ok,so we are to keep it fair here right? .We all want an end to terror right? Most of us agree civilian casualties and targets are and should be off limits.Great we agree on that.We agree the images of war and death and horror of children and the non military are horrible and the world should take notice to help put an end to it all.Many rush to judgement here and post up pictures and articles that bolster there respected biased opinions.I get it,we are all outraged.
Now lets talk in truths.Some on here want us to believe Hamas and Hezbollah are some how defenders of the weak oppressed Palestinian population and have nothing but pure angelic intensions.They just respond to The IDF and their aggressive actions.While they may do some of that,what they mostly do is foster Global Terror.They have been connected to Al-Qaeda on many occasions,cross training and such Including backing and funding and arming by Iran.They have destabilized a government that had the hope of working out peace,and they want to wipe a race of people out of land they claim as their own.The Non state actors here that these nice guys hang around with and climb into bed with Have attacked my country,killed my fellow Americans and have wreaked havoc and terror all over the world(remember the subway in London Byrnzie).Any one with any common sense,who is peace loving and wants a safer world can not in good faith say that Hamas,Hezballoh,Isis and Al-Qaeda want any thing but Jihad and to push there own secular agenda.These are bad,bad people with little respect for life. Non of this is in anyway condoning the horror going on to the innocent people of Palestine.For those people I think may peace be with you and stay safe.Im sorry your caught in the middle.they are using you as pawns. Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Ok,so we are to keep it fair here right? .We all want an end to terror right? Most of us agree civilian casualties and targets are and should be off limits.Great we agree on that.We agree the images of war and death and horror of children and the non military are horrible and the world should take notice to help put an end to it all.Many rush to judgement here and post up pictures and articles that bolster there respected biased opinions.I get it,we are all outraged.
Now lets talk in truths.Some on here want us to believe Hamas and Hezbollah are some how defenders of the weak oppressed Palestinian population and have nothing but pure angelic intensions.They just respond to The IDF and their aggressive actions.While they may do some of that,what they mostly do is foster Global Terror.They have been connected to Al-Qaeda on many occasions,cross training and such Including backing and funding and arming by Iran.They have destabilized a government that had the hope of working out peace,and they want to wipe a race of people out of land they claim as their own.The Non state actors here that these nice guys hang around with and climb into bed with Have attacked my country,killed my fellow Americans and have wreaked havoc and terror all over the world(remember the subway in London Byrnzie).Any one with any common sense,who is peace loving and wants a safer world can not in good faith say that Hamas,Hezballoh,Isis and Al-Qaeda want any thing but Jihad and to push there own secular agenda.These are bad,bad people with little respect for life. Non of this is in anyway condoning the horror going on to the innocent people of Palestine.For those people I think may peace be with you and stay safe.Im sorry your caught in the middle.they are using you as pawns. Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
I'll start with Hezbollah is in Iran not Palestine.
Also, disproportionate doesn't even begin to cover Israels actions. Using chemicals like phosphorous and shrapnel bombs in a civilian area is a war crime in and of itself.
.This war is not about territory, its about fighting a ruthless Jihad ideology.
Israel withdraw more than 9 years ago from Gaza
Gaza is under terror occupation
Egypt alienates Hamas/Islamic Jihad/ISIS - closing the border pass. Allows only for injured people.
Israel is doing the same
UN: we found hidden missiles in a school in Gaza
What is a 'proportional response' the world askes from Israel? When more than 1k missile were fired to populated areas in Israel
Tens of terror tunnels were diged by Hamas that leads to the heart of Israeli populated communitys.
KNOCK KNOCK!!! Whose there? Hamas terrorist going out from pits in Israeli kindergardens
IDF is our soul, our body, our heart that protects us from the miserable terrorists who seek for killing and death of civilianze in Israel.
IM NOT HERE TO APOLOGAYS ON OUR RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK
IN A WAR ZONE DEATH IS INEVITABLE, UNFORTUNETLY.
WE WILL NEVER STOP FIGHT TERROR.
TERROR WILL BE ANSWERD WITH POWER.
STANS FOR FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS.
My spelling is not an issue. As long as you understand im fine. I'll continue with the spelling mistake.
Jihad ideology will find it self against more powerful resistence. We will never stop fighting against those who want to destroy us.
Every liberal, western country in the world is in progres to find them selves in the same situation as we are here, confronting a ruthless jihsd ideology.
Good luck europe.. Youre next.
Then the US...
Dont forget us, the only liberal, westetn country in the middle east when youll face it from inside. The truth is.. That you are already facing.. Best of luck.
Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
So you support fighting terrorism with terrorism?
And what do you suggest? How should we fight terror? By sending Hamas/Islamic Jihad/ ISIS 'peace pigeons'?
Let me put it this way.. If ill dig a tunnel that it porpuse is to kill you.. And you are aware to this kind of threat flying over your head. What would you do?
Hamas is democratically elected. Something the US defends in any and every other country they stick their beak into. But not in this case..
LoL Hamas took over gaza by force. They slaughterd Fatah people in Gaza. They terrorized every one in Gaza. The result was a forced 'democratic' elections. Prople there are terrified to speak up sgainst the Hamas. They know theyll find them selves ans their beloved ones dead.
Ok,so we are to keep it fair here right? .We all want an end to terror right? Most of us agree civilian casualties and targets are and should be off limits.Great we agree on that.We agree the images of war and death and horror of children and the non military are horrible and the world should take notice to help put an end to it all.Many rush to judgement here and post up pictures and articles that bolster there respected biased opinions.I get it,we are all outraged.
Now lets talk in truths.Some on here want us to believe Hamas and Hezbollah are some how defenders of the weak oppressed Palestinian population and have nothing but pure angelic intensions.They just respond to The IDF and their aggressive actions.While they may do some of that,what they mostly do is foster Global Terror.They have been connected to Al-Qaeda on many occasions,cross training and such Including backing and funding and arming by Iran.They have destabilized a government that had the hope of working out peace,and they want to wipe a race of people out of land they claim as their own.The Non state actors here that these nice guys hang around with and climb into bed with Have attacked my country,killed my fellow Americans and have wreaked havoc and terror all over the world(remember the subway in London Byrnzie).Any one with any common sense,who is peace loving and wants a safer world can not in good faith say that Hamas,Hezballoh,Isis and Al-Qaeda want any thing but Jihad and to push there own secular agenda.These are bad,bad people with little respect for life. Non of this is in anyway condoning the horror going on to the innocent people of Palestine.For those people I think may peace be with you and stay safe.Im sorry your caught in the middle.they are using you as pawns. Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
I'll start with Hezbollah is in Iran not Palestine.
Those who left their homes following the IDFs request were threatend by Hamas, and promisse to revenge the so called betrayal. What Hamas did? Traped the entire hoses with explosives for the day the family will return to the hose. This is how Hamas is taking care of the civilians in Gaza. They do care, but not for them.
Hamas is democratically elected. Something the US defends in any and every other country they stick their beak into. But not in this case..
LoL ISRAEL took over gaza by force. They slaughterd Fatah people in Gaza. They terrorized every one in Gaza. The result was a forced 'democratic' elections. Prople there are terrified to speak up sgainst the ISRAEL. They know theyll find them selves ans their beloved ones dead.
Fixed your post for ya. See, it can be said for the other side to, can't be said ENOUGH.
Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
So you support fighting terrorism with terrorism?
And what do you suggest? How should we fight terror? By sending Hamas/Islamic Jihad/ ISIS 'peace pigeons'?
Let me put it this way.. If ill dig a tunnel that it porpuse is to kill you.. And you are aware to this kind of threat flying over your head. What would you do?
I'd bomb every school, hospital, rehab centre, water facility, power plant, factory, farm, and child I could until there was no more enemy....of course. Perfectly reasonable response.
Funny you referenced Bibi's cartoon of tunnels going into Israeli kindergartens in this thread. Amazing that his flock just eat this shit up.
Those who left their homes following the IDFs request were threatend by Hamas, and promisse to revenge the so called betrayal. What Hamas did? Traped the entire hoses with explosives for the day the family will return to the hose. This is how Hamas is taking care of the civilians in Gaza. They do care, but not for them.
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http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/displaced-palestinians-gathered.html
UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness has confirmed that there are “multiple dead and injured at designated UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.” He said on Twitter that the Israeli military had been given “precise co-ordinates of the UNRWA shelter in Beit Hanoun.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/gaza-crisis-israeli-shells-kill-15-un-school-compound
Israeli tank shells hit a compound housing a UN school in the northern Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and wounding dozens who were seeking shelter from fierce clashes on the streets outside.
It was the fourth time a UN facility has been hit in fighting between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza, since the Israeli operation began on 8 July.
...Six members of the same family and an 18-month-old boy were killed when an Israeli air strike hit the Jebaliya refugee camp in the early morning hours, according to Gaza police and health officials. Twenty others were injured in the strike, they said, and rescuers were digging through the rubble of flattened homes, looking for survivors.
An air strike on a home in the southern Gaza town of Abassan killed five members of another family, said Kidra, the Gaza health official. Abassan is near Khan Younis, in an area that saw intense fighting on Wednesday.
The 16-day conflict has claimed the lives of more than 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians
How could this not be classified as terrorism?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152628908997845
Palestinian families who fled their homes in the Shejaiya neighbourhood try to find safety in another part of Gaza City, July 20, 2014. Photo by Adel Hana / AP
http://jfjfp.com/?p=62798
Israeli Self-Defense Does Not Permit Killing Civilians
By Daniel Levy, New York Times
July 22, 2014
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005; now Hamas is firing rockets at civilians; Israel has the right to self defense – the endlessly repeated question is “well, what would you do under such circumstances?”
To be clear, Hamas does carry responsibility for this situation – its targeting of Israeli civilians violates international law. The Hamas charter, its political platform and its military activities all deserve to be condemned. But Israel’s share of the responsibility is far greater. That is a hard conclusion to draw but a necessary one if our understanding of events, our responses and policies are to improve.
Israeli self-defense does not include the right to (again) kill hundreds of Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals or even to warn people to evacuate buildings when there is nowhere for them to go. The Israeli government’s attempt to a priori blame Hamas for all losses and thereby absolve itself of responsibility for casualties cannot be accepted.
Take a step back from this latest escalation. Most Gazans are refugees, their roots lie in the war and expulsion of 1948. From 1967 they lived under direct Israeli occupation and under blockade ever since, almost for the past decade.
Israel is not offering Gazans “quiet for quiet.” When Hamas ceases to fire, when it is “quiet,” Israel returns to normality, but Gazans remain cut off from the world, denied the most basic daily freedoms we take for granted.
Step further back to the West Bank, where the Palestinian strategic alternative to Hamas is pursued. The Fatah movement of President Abbas recognizes Israel, pursues peaceful negotiations and security cooperation. That is met with entrenched Israeli control, ever-expanding settlements, and Israeli military incursions into Palestinian cities at will.
So what would you do under such circumstances? Perhaps start by not denying another people’s rights in perpetuity, including the right to self-determination. Reverse the current incentive structure that reciprocates both Fatah demilitarization and Hamas cease-fires with variations on an Israeli brand of deepening occupation.
There is no military solution, but Israel’s government refuses any political solution – neither it nor the governing Likud Party have ever voted to accept a Palestinian state. Hamas’s nonrecognition of Israel is troubling, and so should this be.
Humans do not respond well to humiliation, repression and attempts to deny their most basic dignity. Palestinians are human. Palestinians will find ways to resist — that is human — and sometimes that resistance will be armed. When the Palestinian struggle abandons, rather than uses, international law, as Hamas does, it is right to call that out and to respond proportionately (Israel has gone well beyond proportional), even as channels should be kept open with Hamas.
Of course, Israelis do not respond well to being under fire either, but unlike the Palestinians they have a state, an army, American support and weaponry, and, thankfully, their freedom.
What would you do under such circumstances? Start by treating the Palestinians as humans, as you yourself would wish to be treated.
Daniel Levy is the director of the Middle East and North Africa programme at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation. He was a negotiator in Palestinian talks under Prime Ministers Rabin and Barak, and the lead Israeli drafter of the Geneva Initiative.
Now lets talk in truths.Some on here want us to believe Hamas and Hezbollah are some how defenders of the weak oppressed Palestinian population and have nothing but pure angelic intensions.They just respond to The IDF and their aggressive actions.While they may do some of that,what they mostly do is foster Global Terror.They have been connected to Al-Qaeda on many occasions,cross training and such Including backing and funding and arming by Iran.They have destabilized a government that had the hope of working out peace,and they want to wipe a race of people out of land they claim as their own.The Non state actors here that these nice guys hang around with and climb into bed with Have attacked my country,killed my fellow Americans and have wreaked havoc and terror all over the world(remember the subway in London Byrnzie).Any one with any common sense,who is peace loving and wants a safer world can not in good faith say that Hamas,Hezballoh,Isis and Al-Qaeda want any thing but Jihad and to push there own secular agenda.These are bad,bad people with little respect for life.
Non of this is in anyway condoning the horror going on to the innocent people of Palestine.For those people I think may peace be with you and stay safe.Im sorry your caught in the middle.they are using you as pawns.
Hams is a terrorist orginazations plain and simple,so don't get caught up in this propaganda saying otherwise.And just because we are all so fond of posting data here is a list of Hamas nice guy activities.If bus bombings,and market and pizza restaurant bombings aren't the same as cowardly terrorism then please enlighten me.I for one ,as a proud American do support Israel and want to help them any way possible dismantle and squash global terror.Heres your list. Read it before blindly following some of this nonsense and anti West,anti American,anti Jewish,anti Israeli nonsense.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
No more war.
No more pain.
No more hate.
I'll continue with the spelling mistake.
Jihad ideology will find it self against more powerful resistence.
We will never stop fighting against those who want to destroy us.
Every liberal, western country in the world is in progres to find them selves in the same situation as we are here, confronting a ruthless jihsd ideology.
Good luck europe.. Youre next.
Then the US...
Dont forget us, the only liberal, westetn country in the middle east when youll face it from inside.
The truth is.. That you are already facing..
Best of luck.
How should we fight terror?
By sending Hamas/Islamic Jihad/ ISIS 'peace pigeons'?
Let me put it this way..
If ill dig a tunnel that it porpuse is to kill you.. And you are aware to this kind of threat flying over your head.
What would you do?
Hamas took over gaza by force.
They slaughterd Fatah people in Gaza.
They terrorized every one in Gaza.
The result was a forced 'democratic' elections.
Prople there are terrified to speak up sgainst the Hamas.
They know theyll find them selves ans their beloved ones dead.
What Hamas did?
Traped the entire hoses with explosives for the day the family will return to the hose.
This is how Hamas is taking care of the civilians in Gaza.
They do care, but not for them.
Funny you referenced Bibi's cartoon of tunnels going into Israeli kindergartens in this thread. Amazing that his flock just eat this shit up.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."