Gaza ***GRAPHIC PICS***

mickeyrat

Until we(the US) decides to cut them off in this , it will not change.

mickeyrat

to be honest I had been surprised it was as quiet as it appeared to be before this all started. What with all the strife ongoing in the region and elsewhere. I might have thought soemthing would have popped off befroe this. I guess the reconciliation of PA/Hamas governance to create a unity government was unacceptable to the occupiers.

JC29856

lets be like most of americans and ignore or disbelieve that israel is bombing innocent civilians
and think about the list of reasons why a nation/state would bomb:
mosques/churches and places of worship
hospitals and ambulances
shelters
schools/universities
water and power plants
roadways bridges
...a real short list of reason

there also is a real short list of those who need to dig tunnels...1. prisoners 2.? 3?

bootlegger10

Byrnzie said:

bootlegger10 said:

Twice now you've admitted that Hamas stored weapons in schools, and yet you can't even remotely admit that they shouldn't be doing that.

This is beside the point. The claim made was that Hamas has used human shields. It hasn't.

Carry on...

Do you think the the UN cares about schools and hospitals because of the bricks and mortar of the buildings? No, it is because there are innocent people that are in those buildings. So using a school to store weapons is in fact using people as a shield and is putting innocent people at risk who may go to that school after it has been turned into a target by Hamas.

Anyway, after 5 posts of deflecting, I can only conclude you are okay with Hamas storing weapons in schools. No one is going to think you support Israel if you are critical of Hamas. They might actually respect you for being thoughtful instead of close-minded to anything that doesn't support your view.

For example: It is not okay for Hamas to kidnap a soldier during an agreed upon ceasefire, but that doesn't make it right for Israel to retaliate and kill 50+ civilians in Palestine. If you can't admit that it makes you sound like you just don't like Israel instead of supporting Palestinians.

PJ_Soul

Idris said:

Are we really expecting Obama to speak out against Israel?

Have we all not seen his Aipac speeches? Do we not remember when he went to South Africa and defended Israel?

(then got blasted in South Africa for his stance)
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Or maybe Obama is waiting for his last term as president to start, you know, before he takes a 'just' stand on this current massacre.

I don't know... i don't really think that the US government can keep this up much longer.

dignin

gimmesometruth27 said:

surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

"Israel will do everything to bring our kidnapped soldier home," said Netanyahu

source
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/02/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

PJ_Soul

JC29856 said:

how are the human shields protecting hamas (ASSuming they employ the tactic) if Israel bombards anyway?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/video-term-human-shield-used-justify-state-sponsored-massacres/194760/

Well yeah, this human shield thing is a moot issue to me. So what if Hamas were using children as human shields? Is that Israel's idea of a reason the go ahead and kill the human shields, aka children? Wtf kind of explanation or justification is that, be it propaganda or otherwise? Does Israel think the world is okay with deliberately bombing children just because their enemy put them there on purpose? Ummm, seems to me like the Israeli government has lost touch with reality as far as PR goes. The deliberate bombing of innocent civilians can't be justified this day and age. Even the US government can't figure out a way to keep support this... very interested to see Wtf the US is going to do now with the way things are going.

As for the disgusting, mealy-mouthed motherfucker Stephen Harper, he has reiterated his support of the Israeli government (aka reiterated his burning desire to let Obama fuck him up the ass), and is incapable of understanding that supporting Israel is not the only option if you don't support Hamas (which I don't think anyone should do either). He has encouraged other governments to continue supporting Israel, clinging to the idea that all of this is 100% Hamas's fault. It's fucking ludicrous..... well, perhaps if nothing else happen, his stubborn and embarrassing g position on this will be what causes him to lose the next election. [-O<

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 said:

surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

They have used that word.

Captured, abducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.

Idris

bootlegger10 said:

Byrnzie said:

bootlegger10 said:

Twice now you've admitted that Hamas stored weapons in schools, and yet you can't even remotely admit that they shouldn't be doing that.

This is beside the point. The claim made was that Hamas has used human shields. It hasn't.

Carry on...

Do you think the the UN cares about schools and hospitals because of the bricks and mortar of the buildings? No, it is because there are innocent people that are in those buildings. So using a school to store weapons is in fact using people as a shield and is putting innocent people at risk who may go to that school after it has been turned into a target by Hamas.

Anyway, after 5 posts of deflecting, I can only conclude you are okay with Hamas storing weapons in schools. No one is going to think you support Israel if you are critical of Hamas. They might actually respect you for being thoughtful instead of close-minded to anything that doesn't support your view.

For example: It is not okay for Hamas to kidnap a soldier during an agreed upon ceasefire, but that doesn't make it right for Israel to retaliate and kill 50+ civilians in Palestine. If you can't admit that it makes you sound like you just don't like Israel instead of supporting Palestinians.

If I'm correct, those schools were abandoned, they were not schools anymore. The UN abandoned them some time ago.

so based on that, its (2 my mind) incorrect to say that Hamas stores weapons in schools.

fuck

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

surprised they haven't said "kidnapped", just to skew it further.

They have used that word.

Captured, an ducted, kidnapped... that really all means the same thing to me. That a soldier was taken. I don't give a shit which word is used. It changes nothing. Are people really gullible enough to allow those different words to influence their impression of what happened? That's pathetic.

Are you not aware of how media works? Different words elicit different emotions from readers/viewers...

Idris

PJ_Soul said:

Idris said:

Are we really expecting Obama to speak out against Israel?

Have we all not seen his Aipac speeches? Do we not remember when he went to South Africa and defended Israel?

(then got blasted in South Africa for his stance)
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Or maybe Obama is waiting for his last term as president to start, you know, before he takes a 'just' stand on this current massacre.

I don't know... i don't really think that the US government can keep this up much longer.

Well, no doubt that it will eventually end, when? I'm not sure, but I reckon that things will get even worse before it ends.

Of course how much more worse can it get? Israel has already dropped bombs ripping the limbs off of children as they sleep, burning the skin off of babies, destroying shelters, that's all already checked off the list of horrors.

Can things get any worse?

We need to be holding our leaders feet to the fire, and burning them.

rafie

To the ones that claim that Hamas does not use human shields, here is some proof (see following posts)

rafie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

Idris

rafie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

That was it?

mickeyrat

Idris said:

rafie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

That was it?

yes, they apparently fired A rocket from the parking lot at the rear of the hospital. Not sure in what way this means "human shields" were used. Would be and am interested to hear more about that aspect.

rafie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu54aSM6QOE

rafie

And here is a Hammas official admitting it: "We desire death like you desire life"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

rafie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

dignin

rafie said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-e5qWXx-k

Is this the proof you speak of?

Idris

Oh I get it, these few apparent examples are what Israel uses to defend its destruction of Palestine.

Some guy with a gun grabs a kid, drags him, and that's the human shield, a vid of a group of kids Standing behind a rocket, k, weird shit, but in Israel and the US we see kids around jets, and firing rockets, you know in demonstrations,air shows. I'm just saying, things are relative, we dont even know where that rocket was going, for all we know it was just a show, I mean, I dont know, I need more Evidence.

Hammad is a nut, this is known. What government, group does not have nutters?

What do you think Netanyahu is? A nut, a coconut, he's wiping out an entire people, then starts talking about human shields.

Does it make sense? I mean really, at the end it will always come down to 'root cause', the 'root', stop taking more land, return to agreed borders (internationally agreed borders).

That's it, enough with all this propaganda, just focus on the actual issue. 'Stop taking more land and building settlements', then return to '67 borders.

If Hamas continues to fire rockets after Israel does those things, that's another story.

The 'power' is with Israel and the US. No more excuses.