Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

backseatLover12

benjs said:

backseatLover12 said:

JimmyV said:

lolobugg said:

after 32 pages....
this thread name should be changed to "Image That- we're still arguing..."
because I think the original meaning has been buried.

It is kind of telling that a thread intended to be about the quest for peace has erupted into a war.

Only on the PJ Forums…

I personally don't see this as war at all. As already stated, we might have differing opinions, but I would like to think that everyone here wants to promote peace and not killing.

The thread is supposed to be about peace, and I know I'm not going to stop trying to get it back on track.

JimmyV

benjs said:

backseatLover12 said:

JimmyV said:

lolobugg said:

after 32 pages....
this thread name should be changed to "Image That- we're still arguing..."
because I think the original meaning has been buried.

It is kind of telling that a thread intended to be about the quest for peace has erupted into a war.

Only on the PJ Forums…

I personally don't see this as war at all. As already stated, we might have differing opinions, but I would like to think that everyone here wants to promote peace and not killing.

I of course didn't mean war literally. There have been many times throughout this dialogue when it has seemed more personal than it needed to be. The battle lines had been drawn and away it went.

JimmyV

"I’d rather be naïve, heartfelt and hopeful than resigned to say
nothing for fear of misinterpretation and retribution."

-- Eddie Vedder

badbrains

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

JimmyV

badbrains said:

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

That's a great point, badbrains. Anger doesn't mean someone isn't also in favor of peace. Given the current state of the world it is natural to feel anger.

badbrains

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

That's a great point, badbrains. Anger doesn't mean someone isn't also in favor of peace. Given the current state of the world it is natural to feel anger.

Agree 100% jim, that's how I feel as do so many here and around the world. We ALL WANT peace! We want it SO FUCKEN BAD that it makes us ANGRY. Billions and billions of fucken galaxies out there, we're 1 fucken tiny ass planet, and can't even get along. As some said earlier in another thread, it's 2014. This shouldn't be happening. If there are aliens out there looking to invade planet earth, they won't even have to fire a single piece of weaponry. They can just wait for us to kill ourselves. How's that for taking over a nation/world WITHOUT firing a single bullet?

backseatLover12

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

That's a great point, badbrains. Anger doesn't mean someone isn't also in favor of peace. Given the current state of the world it is natural to feel anger.

To a point. Being angry about a world issue and spreading awareness is one thing. And then there is anger that eats away at a person because one fails to recognize that they have no control over the situation, only to become cynical, bitter and no fun to be around.

I'm posting this from Mikepegg in a thread from AMT that's really fitting.

mikepegg44 said:


...Quit worrying about it and just take care of you and yours the best you can while being nice to everyone else. Don't wait for the federal gov't to do anything and just start pushing for change in local behavior and gov't. I am done worrying over things I cannot control, I am done worrying about politics the game...and I do blame that on leadership, but it isn't Obama's fault, the entire country is to blame for the "leadership" in Washington.

Something to point out… WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. But we can handle how we treat each other, here and in our communities. It's about Peace.

i_lov_it

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

That's a great point, badbrains. Anger doesn't mean someone isn't also in favor of peace. Given the current state of the world it is natural to feel anger.

He was Angry about there being No Peace.

dankind

i_lov_it said:

JimmyV said:

badbrains said:

I'm all for peace believe me, but if I remember correctly, Ed's rant in Milton keys wasn't very peaceful. It was pretty angry and loud.

That's a great point, badbrains. Anger doesn't mean someone isn't also in favor of peace. Given the current state of the world it is natural to feel anger.

He was Angry about there being No Peace.

Anger is a gift!

http://youtu.be/fOevxfLI3dY

Byrnzie

rr165892 said:

You will never see the peace you want without concessions.

So you claim that the Palestinians haven't made concessions? They're now living on less than 20% of their homeland. I asked you if you if you haven't been paying attention and posted a lin to that article which deals with the history of the so-called 'peace-process', and you come back with this? This just proves to me that you didn't bother to read it.

Can you manage to read this much?:

'The problem is not, as Israelis often claim, that Palestinians do not know how to compromise. (Another former prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, famously complained that ‘Palestinians take and take while Israel gives and gives.’) That is an indecent charge, since the Palestinians made much the most far-reaching compromise of all when the PLO formally accepted the legitimacy of Israel within the 1949 armistice border. With that concession, Palestinians ceded their claim to more than half the territory that the UN’s partition resolution had assigned to its Arab inhabitants. They have never received any credit for this wrenching concession, made years before Israel agreed that Palestinians had a right to statehood in any part of Palestine. The notion that further border adjustments should be made at the expense of the 22 per cent of the territory that remains to the Palestinians is deeply offensive to them, and understandably so.

Nonetheless, the Palestinians agreed at the Camp David summit to adjustments to the pre-1967 border that would allow large numbers of West Bank settlers – about 70 per cent – to remain within the Jewish state, provided they received comparable territory on Israel’s side of the border. Barak rejected this..

Byrnzie

backseatLover12 said:

To a point. Being angry about a world issue and spreading awareness is one thing. And then there is anger that eats away at a person because one fails to recognize that they have no control over the situation, only to become cynical, bitter and no fun to be around.

I'm posting this from Mikepegg in a thread from AMT that's really fitting.

mikepegg44 said:


...Quit worrying about it and just take care of you and yours the best you can while being nice to everyone else. Don't wait for the federal gov't to do anything and just start pushing for change in local behavior and gov't. I am done worrying over things I cannot control, I am done worrying about politics the game...and I do blame that on leadership, but it isn't Obama's fault, the entire country is to blame for the "leadership" in Washington.

Something to point out… WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. But we can handle how we treat each other, here and in our communities. It's about Peace.

What a great attitude to take. If people had listened to you in the 1980's then we'd still have Apartheid South Africa now.

Byrnzie

Byrnzie

Keep pretending that is a two-sided conflict. Whatever makes you feel better and justifies your apathy.

Meanwhile, this is what $4Billion of your taxes are paying for every year:







http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza

US condemns shelling of UN school in Gaza but restocks Israeli ammunition


The United States issued a firm condemnation of the shelling of a United Nations school in Gaza that killed at least 16 Palestinians on Wednesday, but also confirmed it restocked Israel’s dwindling supplies of ammunition.

...there was little evidence of Washington using its leverage with Israel, including record levels of military aid, to apply pressure on Jerusalem to curtail its offensive.

The Pentagon confirmed a CNN report that the US had recently provided Israel with a shipment of ammunition. “The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to US national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability,” said Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral Kirby. “This defense sale is consistent with those objectives.”

The Israeli military requested the addition ammunition on 20 July . The US defense department approved the sale three days later, Kirby said.

Two of the requested munitions were sourced from a secret stockpile the US keeps in Israel for emergencies. White House approval was not required to release the weaponry War Reserve Stockpile Ammunition-Israel (WRSA-I), Kirby added. He did not say whether the White House was involved in the decision to supply the other ammunition apparently requested by the Israelis.

The provision of ammunition could prove controversial for Washington, which has expresssed growing concern about the deaths Palestinian civilians while maintaining support for its close ally.

Byrnzie

Your government are paying for this slaughter, yet you're criticizing people for being angry, and preaching about peace, and how we can't do anything about what's happening in the Middle East.

backseatLover12 said:

Something to point out… WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. But we can handle how we treat each other, here and in our communities. It's about Peace.

Bullshit.

I repeat: your tax dollars are paying for this slaughter.

PJ_Soul

There is NOTHING wrong with being angry about this situation no matter what your viewpoint is (on the contrary). There is also nothing wrong with debating and having different opinions.
Although there are more civil ways to debate than we're seeing hear at times. Obviously. But anyway, pretty sure that ed was talking about peace as in no war. No violence and death. Not peace as in everyone should get along brilliantly and agree with each other on the pearl jam forum, lol. Ed probably appreciates a good passionate debate. Even though we could all do without the constant personal insults and belittling.... but really that has nothing to do with what Eddie was talking about. People bickering about current events online is not the problem, lol.

badbrains

I keep telling myself that eventually I'll get used to these pics coming out of gaza. Reality is, I'm not and it's sickening. Again I'll say it, it's a sad sad world we live in.

backseatLover12

Byrnzie said:

Your government are paying for this slaughter, yet you're criticizing people for being angry, and preaching about peace, and how we can't do anything about what's happening in the Middle East.

backseatLover12 said:

Something to point out… WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. But we can handle how we treat each other, here and in our communities. It's about Peace.

Bullshit.

I repeat: your tax dollars are paying for this slaughter.

Tell me exactly how your cynicism and anger is directly impacting the situation over there. How's that working for you, again? Solutions are only made when we get off our high horses and actually start communicating. Not by getting angry and refusing to hear anything else.

And you may not be willing to admit it, but this thread is about PEACE, as it was from the beginning. We all know how you feel about the US gov't, let's try to discuss without bringing more one-sided hate into the equation, eh? Really, Dude, all you want to do is ACCUSE. How about attempting to reason with people?

Byrnzie

backseatLover12 said:

Byrnzie said:

Your government are paying for this slaughter, yet you're criticizing people for being angry, and preaching about peace, and how we can't do anything about what's happening in the Middle East.

backseatLover12 said:

Something to point out… WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. But we can handle how we treat each other, here and in our communities. It's about Peace.

Bullshit.

I repeat: your tax dollars are paying for this slaughter.

Tell me exactly how your cynicism and anger is directly impacting the situation over there. How's that working for you, again? Solutions are only made when we get off our high horses and actually start communicating. Not by getting angry and refusing to hear anything else.

And you may not be willing to admit it, but this thread is about PEACE, as it was from the beginning. We all know how you feel about the US gov't, let's try to discuss without bringing more one-sided hate into the equation, eh? Really, Dude, all you want to do is ACCUSE. How about attempting to reason with people?

So I haven't been communicating? Really? One-sided hate?

Again, this is just bullshit. Have you actually read anything that I've posted?

Your tax dollars are paying for the slaughter over there. What are you doing about it?

I received a letter from a British MP yesterday telling ms that he'd try and raise some of my concerns at the next meeting of the EU.

What have you done? Nothing.

Your tax dollars are paying for the bombing of schools, hospitals, and UN safe houses. How do you feel about that in between squawking about peace and love and hugs?

backseatLover12

You can get angry as much as you want, after all, it's your health and well-being, not mine. But you know as much as anyone else that no real solutions and certainly no peace has ever been attained through violence.

That must piss you off.

badbrains

I've known byrnzie for a few years now and I'm gonna say this. In all the years I've known him, he's NEVER, not ONCE said to me or anyone else that I know that he advocates violence to kill innocent Jews, wants the destruction of Israel, hates Jews or any other culture/nation/religion. He's VERY passionate about this subject and is locked in for some years now. You may not like the way he may come across to you, but no 2 people are the same. No 2 people feel the same feelings when it comes to conflicts like this. Everybody may have anger or hate in situations but everyone would be at different levels. For example, and I'm not bringing this up to call someone out or anything, someone got angry at a story about a synagogue getting a Molotov cocktail thrown at it and no one was hurt. Now to some that would be such a minuet problem compared to what else has been happening in that region. Same conflict, different levels of hate or anger. Believe me when I say we all want peace EVEN byrnzie. He wants it bad, trust me. He wants all this bloodshed to end. All the innocent women/children to be able to sleep at night without any fright. To play in the playgrounds without dodging bullets. No more air raid sounds. All of this to stop. It's that nothing is getting done and that's making him and a lot of others, INCLUDING myself, very angry. It's not a show to him, he's not posting to act like mr know it all. It's real to him. He posts because like a lot of people on here, on BOTH sides, care, and want PEACE so bad. Sorry for rambling, this situation is like no other situation in our generation. We're growing up and getting old with war all around us all the time and I'm sick of it. The WHOLE world is sick of it. This can't be our future.